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Has Lord Anton of Dubeck Got a Good Partner This Year??
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<3Anton<3
18-09-2010
I'm looking forward to seeing Anton and Anne. Sure, she won't win, but their partnership looks like it's going to be brilliant to watch.

If it's anything like the partnership he had with Kate, I will love them! As bad as she was, Kate and Anton are still one of my favourite ever partnerships.

Plus, in retaliation to all of those who criticise Anton and Erin's Latin, I thought that both of them were excellent in the two Pro Latin-based dances in the launch show.
katie_p
18-09-2010
Originally Posted by <3Anton<3:
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Plus, in retaliation to all of those who criticise Anton and Erin's Latin, I thought that both of them were excellent in the two Pro Latin-based dances in the launch show.”

What, even when Anton was just standing around looking completely lost?
<3Anton<3
18-09-2010
Originally Posted by katie_p:
“What, even when Anton was just standing around looking completely lost?”

Will you just give the Anton-bashing a rest? It really is getting boring.

I like Anton and Erin, and their dancing. Get over it.
katie_p
18-09-2010
Originally Posted by <3Anton<3:
“Will you just give the Anton-bashing a rest? It really is getting boring.

I like Anton and Erin, and their dancing. Get over it.”

Why don't you get over me not liking them?
Mystical123
18-09-2010
Originally Posted by <3Anton<3:
“Will you just give the Anton-bashing a rest? It really is getting boring.

I like Anton and Erin, and their dancing. Get over it.”

She was making a valid point, Anton looked bewildered for most of the dance, and that is on camera! Are we supposed to say we didn't see that?

No-one has to like Anton, and anyone has the freedom to make a valid criticism.
<3Anton<3
18-09-2010
Everyone is free to like someone as well. On this forum, it appears that if you like certain pros, you aren't welcome to post here.
Mystical123
18-09-2010
Originally Posted by <3Anton<3:
“ On this forum, it appears that if you like certain pros, you aren't welcome to post here.”

Not true, and I should know that, I like the Jordans, who have polarised opinion on here as well.

Of course everyone is free to like someone, but this is not an appreciation thread, therefore everyone is well within their rights to post criticism in this thread as well as positive messages.
katie_p
18-09-2010
Originally Posted by <3Anton<3:
“Everyone is free to like someone as well. On this forum, it appears that if you like certain pros, you aren't welcome to post here.”

I don't think that is really the case. Disagreements happen all over the forum, on every aspect of the show. It doesn't mean that people in the minority aren't welcome to post, it just mean that they (and everyone) shouldn't expect the whole world to agree with their personal opinion. It seems to me that you are confusing being disagreed with and being made unwelcome.

If you don't want to speak to people who don't like Anton, you could always try the appreciation threads? They are specifically set up so that you can appreciate your chosen celeb/pro in peace.

In discussion threads, however, it is a bit out of line to expect people either to agree with you or to keep quiet.

Mystical123 and I always disagree over the Jordans and the Bennetts, and I don't think either of us loses sleep over it or feels unwelcome as a result!
Miso
18-09-2010
<3Anton<3 clearly posted they thought that Anton and Erin were excellent. What was the point in querying further?
I’m sure <3Anton<3 has eyes, watched the whole dance and is capable of forming an opinion no matter how wrong people think it is…
katie_p
18-09-2010
Originally Posted by Miso:
“<3Anton<3 clearly posted they thought that Anton and Erin were excellent. What was the point in querying further?
I’m sure <3Anton<3 has eyes, watched the whole dance and is capable of forming an opinion no matter how wrong people think it is…”

We're all posting what we think. And what we think about what other people think. That's kind of how forums work.
Mystical123
18-09-2010
Originally Posted by katie_p:
“Mystical123 and I always disagree over the Jordans and the Bennetts, and I don't think either of us loses sleep over it or feels unwelcome as a result!”

Hehe exactly, and we still manage to have a debate if issues concerning any of those pros are raised on the forum.

Debate is only fun if varying opinions are expressed, that's the nature of it, and telling someone to 'get over it' just because they disagree with your opinion isn't at all constructive
katie_p
18-09-2010
Originally Posted by Mystical123:
“Hehe exactly, and we still manage to have a debate if issues concerning any of those pros are raised on the forum.

Debate is only fun if varying opinions are expressed, that's the nature of it, and telling someone to 'get over it' just because they disagree with your opinion isn't at all constructive ”

The Bennetts are so much better than the Jordans. Get over it
Miso
18-09-2010
Originally Posted by katie_p:
“We're all posting what we think. And what we think about what other people think. That's kind of how forums work.”

Again I'll ask what was the point in querying it further?
It's a bit like asking are you sure...are you sure. Understandably, it can get annoying.
Mystical123
18-09-2010
Originally Posted by katie_p:
“The Bennetts are so much better than the Jordans. Get over it ”

Nah *tears Darren & Lilia pics out of her tour programme* The Jordans are clearly far superior, why can't you see that?

Joking aside though, I still fail to see what the problem was in you saying that Anton looked lost in the group dance - all you were doing was saying that you don't think that qualifies his performance as good, which is your opinion. And people who've read a lot of your posts know you don't do unconstructive debate, so I'm with you on this, not just because we agree about Anton!
katie_p
18-09-2010
Originally Posted by Miso:
“Again I'll ask what was the point in querying it further?
It's a bit like asking are you sure...are you sure. Understandably, it can get annoying.”

I wasn't querying it. I was disagreeing.
katie_p
18-09-2010
Originally Posted by Mystical123:
“Nah *tears Darren & Lilia pics out of her tour programme* The Jordans are clearly far superior, why can't you see that?

Joking aside though, I still fail to see what the problem was in you saying that Anton looked lost in the group dance - all you were doing was saying that you don't think that qualifies his performance as good, which is your opinion. And people who've read a lot of your posts know you don't do unconstructive debate, so I'm with you on this, not just because we agree about Anton! ”

I actually think that people who don't like Anton are made to feel unwelcome whenever certain of his fans post anything... there's a 'I think this and I'm going to have a hissy fit if you disagree' air about a lot of these posts. Whereas I try to take the view that if someone posts something I disagree with, I might discuss it and disagree with them for ages (as you know ), but at the end of the day their disagreement doesn't hurt me or my enjoyment of the show. Or indeed my enjoyment of the forum. I don't expect everyone to like the people I like... I just think the ones who don't clearly have no taste
Miso
18-09-2010
Originally Posted by katie_p:
“I wasn't querying it. I was disagreeing.”

You actually asked the poster a direct question.
Were you not expecting an answer to your query?
katie_p
18-09-2010
Originally Posted by Miso:
“You actually asked the poster a direct question.
Were you not expecting an answer to your query? ”

It was rhetorical.
Mystical123
18-09-2010
Originally Posted by Miso:
“You actually asked the poster a direct question.
Were you not expecting an answer to your query? ”

Perhaps it was meant as a rhetorical question? Or at the very least, questions stimulate debate, and to me it reads as the Anton fan being asked to explain why they think Anton's look of bewilderment and not keeping up with the other pros translated into a good performance. It's asking for opinion, not saying the other poster is wrong to have theirs!
Miso
18-09-2010
Originally Posted by Mystical123:
“Perhaps it was meant as a rhetorical question? Or at the very least, questions stimulate debate, and to me it reads as the Anton fan being asked to explain why they think Anton's look of bewilderment and not keeping up with the other pros translated into a good performance. It's asking for opinion, not saying the other poster is wrong to have theirs!”

Perhaps the poster in question didn't feel they looked lost.
You're assuming that your opinion is right.
They've quite clearly said what they thought of their performance...It was excellent.
Mystical123
18-09-2010
Originally Posted by Miso:
“Perhaps the poster in question didn't feel they looked lost.
You're assuming that your opinion is right.
They've quite clearly said what they thought of their performance...It was excellent.”

Surely one dancer being out of time is fact rather than opinion, although it could be supposed I guess that all the other dancers were the ones in the wrong. He's not the only dancer ever to make a mistake or be out of time (one of my favourite ever pro dances has my favourite pro making a mistake), but I was just wondering if the question was intended to ask the Anton fan why the dance was so good despite the mistake/inability to keep up with the others?

All irrelevant anyway, Katie has already said her question was rhetorical.
Miso
18-09-2010
Originally Posted by Mystical123:
“Surely one dancer being out of time is fact rather than opinion, although it could be supposed I guess that all the other dancers were the ones in the wrong. He's not the only dancer ever to make a mistake or be out of time (one of my favourite ever pro dances has my favourite pro making a mistake), but I was just wondering if the question was intended to ask the Anton fan why the dance was so good despite the mistake/inability to keep up with the others?

All irrelevant anyway, Katie has already said her question was rhetorical.”


Hold on, did katie_p say '"out of time" or "standing around looking completely lost"? Read back and remind yourself.
As for the "rhetorical question" well it kind of suggests you're not expecting a reply...so not much for debate then is it? (as you suggested)

I think you two need to get your replies in sync because I don't you actually have any idea what she's thinking LMFAO
Mystical123
18-09-2010
Originally Posted by Miso:
“Hold on, did katie_p say '"out of time" or "standing around looking completely lost"? Read back and remind yourself.
As for the "rhetorical question" well it kind of suggests you're not expecting a reply...so not much for debate then is it? (as you suggested)”

Well when you're looking lost then you're not generally standing in time, what does it matter if I used different wording that amounts to a paraphrase? And I don't need told to read anything thank you.

If (taking a leaf out of your own book) you read back and remind yourself of what i said, I was surmising what the point of Katie's question was. We know now it was rhetorical, so my suppositions are irrelevant.
Miso
18-09-2010
Originally Posted by Mystical123:
“Well when you're looking lost then you're not generally standing in time, what does it matter if I used different wording that amounts to a paraphrase? And I don't need told to read anything thank you.

If (taking a leaf out of your own book) you read back and remind yourself of what i said, I was surmising what the point of Katie's question was. We know now it was rhetorical, so my suppositions are irrelevant.”

Yes it does matter, the wording standing around looking completely lost does have a very different meaning to being out of time.
<3Anton<3
18-09-2010
I understood that the question was rhetorical, therefore I did not answer. Also, I do not feel the need to explain myself to someone who clearly thinks that they know everything about dancing, as whatever I say will be deemed wrong.

I'm sure both katie_p and Mystical do know more than me about dancing, but I personally enjoy watching what they think is not up to standard.

I'm also not stupid and know when I'm being mocked, so I think I'll be staying away from wherever you two are posting from now on.

Miso, thank you.
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