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Becki's just told Nadia she knows her 'secret'
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NightSwimmer
28-06-2004
Becki has just told Nadia in the hut that she knows her secret. She did it in a kind way saying that Nadia didn't have to say anything, she just wanted to let Nadia know. She said that as far as she was concerned you are who you are, and if you have to change your physical body to fit who you are, then it doesn't matter cos you are still who you are. She said that BB had told her she could tell Nadia that she knew and it is the only secret she was allowed to talk about.

Nadia seemed happy and relieved, but when she sat by herself, it looked like she was mulling things over in her mind.
chocolatekisses
28-06-2004
i imagine that would have made Nadia feel really uncomfortable.
~V~
28-06-2004
aww poor nadia

mind you, no doubt she guessed becki would know and so at least she needn't fret about whether she does or not now
timo_w2s
28-06-2004
Does this mean Becki won't tell the others behind her back?
BiggerBlue
28-06-2004
I imagine its actually a huge weight off Nadia's shoulders. Without this chat Nadia would've been constantly worrying about whether or not Becky new and if she knew would say mention it to the others.

Nadia may also have feel a lot happier. Now, when the others talk about transexuals, sex swaps and chicks with dicks she's got a fellow HM who understands her.
LV15
28-06-2004
the interesting thing is that marco spent ages bitching about becki with victor last night...

with the events of this morning...will nadia just sit there and let marco bitch about becki, will she join in with the bitching or will she defend becki to marco?
mitacond
28-06-2004
Poor Nadia, that was evil of Becki, she has already started to stir the s......
What she seems to have done, is make herself amenable to the hms. Will she one by one, start to tear them down?
I think stuart already knows that something is wrong.
Miles_T
28-06-2004
I'm a bit fed-up up with all this feel sorry for Nadia bullS**t

She has gone on national television so that millions of people and EVERYBODY that she now meets will know so why not tell her HM's as well??? She's playing the game to get sympathy and you are all fooling for it.
Histeria
28-06-2004
I'm pretty sure the only reason Nadia told the BB show they could tell the public, is that it's better than The Sun or some other Idiot-Rag publishing it as a "shock revelation" on its front page. Inside the house, there is (was) no such threat. QED.
JamboUK
28-06-2004
Am I missing something here? Don't the housemates know?

I have heard several of them discussing it and Dan was in the diary room last night tongue in cheek saying that Nadia "had balls".

Michelle and Marco were openly discussing it with her.....

Jammer
28-06-2004
I think Marco and Dan have obviously guessed and Vic and Jason often have conversations about her and have mused about the fact . I think it would be better if she came clean about it as the longer it goes on the more people are going to dislike her for deceiving them.
Pushka
28-06-2004
How very considerate of Becki to broach such a sensitive subject so discreetly and reassuringly with Nadia. But I'm confused. Why would someone so apparently mature want to be on BB at all, and especially after seeing who else was on it!?
JamboUK
28-06-2004
Michelle was blatantly talking about where she keeps the bits that were cut off. "Pickled in a jar?".

Marco was there and Shell came over and she repeated the joke again.

They all know surely?
Daxley
28-06-2004
Originally Posted by Jammer:
“I think Marco and Dan have obviously guessed and Vic and Jason often have conversations about her and have mused about the fact . I think it would be better if she came clean about it as the longer it goes on the more people are going to dislike her for deceiving them.”


It's not just a case of coming clean. It's swallowing hard and taking her courage in both hands. I kinda wish she would bring it out in the open - it would be a five minute wonder and let the hms talk about it with her - or not. She, at least, would let them know by her demeanour whether or not it was up for further discussion. She has already said about other topics that she'd prefer not to discuss them. It's her prerogative.
Stewing
28-06-2004
Originally Posted by Jammer:
“I think Marco and Dan have obviously guessed and Vic and Jason often have conversations about her and have mused about the fact . I think it would be better if she came clean about it as the longer it goes on the more people are going to dislike her for deceiving them.”

I think they all pretty much have figured it out anyway and it is to their credit no-one has hit upon her.I would think Becki's chat would give Nadia confidence that not everyone in UK is a damn narrow minded bigot.

Have just one ? though..since Nadia is technically a woaman now anyway why did she tell BB at the audition..the media have played it to death anyway.Why make it easire for them by being upfront.She is a woman now.
Stewing
28-06-2004
Originally Posted by Pushka:
“How very considerate of Becki to broach such a sensitive subject so discreetly and reassuringly with Nadia. But I'm confused. Why would someone so apparently mature want to be on BB at all, and especially after seeing who else was on it!?”

To promote herself to music industry..she has done a few bits but has no contract and has done a bit of west end..needs some exposure in a tough tough industry.TV is the most obvious way to get noticed.They are all there for some motive over and above the diminshing prize money. Millions now know about her website..how many did before she went in yesterday.? I had never heard of her.I think she seems very cool.At least she can speak properly unilke the others ( bar Shell and Dan.) the harem I mean.Michelle is monosyllibic after one months worth of desperate clinging what does she know about Stuart..I never see htem discussing themselves...asll she talks to him about is sex..it is pathetic.
celtic star
28-06-2004
Originally Posted by JamboUK:
“Michelle was blatantly talking about where she keeps the bits that were cut off. "Pickled in a jar?".

Marco was there and Shell came over and she repeated the joke again.

They all know surely?”


Marco , Nadia and Michelle have reached the stage in thier friendship where they are comfortable enough to do the bitchy banter thing . If you listen carefully Marco and Nadia in particular base thier friendship round this. Once Michelle was back a couple of days she started joining in too.
And more recently Dan has felt comfortable enough to join in too.

The jibes to each other are hilarious but outsiders would interpret as cruel.
I dont know if its a girly thing but my best friend and i often call each other "bitch or "slapper" and believe me a lot worse! it always ends up in howls of laughter thinking who can come up with the best insult.

Anyway i truly believe that if Michelle and Marco knew how "close they were to the bone" they would feel terrible.

Nadia did the routine response to the banter though and laughed , even added to it by joining in with the bits being pickled joke.
Snanos
28-06-2004
Obviously a ploy to not get nominated. Maybe she won't be last in,first out after all, if she keeps this up.
Minnie Caldwell
28-06-2004
Originally Posted by Histeria:
“I'm pretty sure the only reason Nadia told the BB show they could tell the public, is that it's better than The Sun or some other Idiot-Rag publishing it as a "shock revelation" on its front page. Inside the house, there is (was) no such threat. QED.”

From what I've read, it's almost impossible NOT to tell Endemol everything. Last year they were interviewed by a psychologist who even asked them if they'd ever had anal sex.
Lukara
28-06-2004
I'm always trading jibes with my brother and sisters, sometimes the banter may seem positively toxic to outsiders but this is just how we are comfortable talking and having a laugh with each other. I guess what I'm really saying is that we tend to project what we ourselves find acceptable onto others without stopping to think that to them it may be perfectly normal.

The great thing about being at the stage that Nadia, Marco and michelle are at in their relationship is that as well as being able rip shreds off each other in a humourous way they would also defend each other to the hilt. I honestly think that certainly Nadia and Marco have built a friendship that will last.
starry
28-06-2004
If strong suspicions were voiced in the house about Nadia don't you think some people at Channel 4 would have had suspicions as well? Attempting to hide it would have got Nadia nowhere. Also I remember earlier on in the house on the sofa when Nadia and several others sat together, Stuart Marco and Daniel talking in great detail on s*x operations. Nadia looked extremely uncomfortable as Daniel with great glee went into elaborate detail. On the highlights it showed Nadia weeping in the toilet immediately afterwards, whether this was connected to the conversation or the lack of cigarettes at the time wasn't obvious, but the editing made it's own suggestion.

Becki is in a position were she can't really stop them nominating her the first week she is up. Of course you know the housemates will be nice to her face (probably), but they will bitch away from her. Of course they will see her as a threat to winning. They may feel aggrieved she has been in effect exempt from nominations for the first 5 weeks (or whatever it is). This is fortunate for Michelle who had one week free from nominations and this will help take the limelight off her. But the house was stagnating, with arguably only two women left it needed another (reminiscent of last year). It Becki can win the first time she is up, she may stand a chance of surviving and building a fan base. In the meantime her best hope is partly to help build that support by getting on well with everyone for future nominations (if she more than one potential future nomination), but mainly to get on with those she considers the most popular on the outside - so that those fans don't vote against her on next weeks eviction. It's a tall order but it's about all she can do to keep in.

I remember reading on another thread (from a moderator) that we are not allowed to question whether Nadia can be considered a woman or not because Nadia has taken so much trouble (and money I suppose) to be transformed. But Nadia has said s/he can't have babies, so does Nadia have a womb, ovaries, or a menstrual cycle?
Hespera
28-06-2004
Originally Posted by starry:
“so does Nadia have a womb, ovaries, or a menstrual cycle?”

No she doesn't. Medical science is currently unable to give transexuals a working reproductive system in line with their new gender.
kurtwild
28-06-2004
No - they just get glue-on tits and a fake vag
Real_Pyrrhic
28-06-2004
Originally Posted by starry:
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I remember reading on another thread (from a moderator) that we are not allowed to question whether Nadia can be considered a woman or not because Nadia has taken so much trouble (and money I suppose) to be transformed. But Nadia has said s/he can't have babies, so does Nadia have a womb, ovaries, or a menstrual cycle?”

I think you may be simplifying the reasons why it's unacceptable to question Nadia's status as a woman a tad. Still, some people will never be happy unless they are doggedly holding onto old fashioned ideas about sexuality, gender and morals, I suppose.
PamelaL
28-06-2004
Kurt that's not very magnanimous of you.
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