A lot of people on this forum say that 'so and so' is fake or false and is therefore a bad person who has to be nominated and voted out. I think that it is impossible to be anything other than fake in such a fake environment. We are all fake to some degree in our normal lives - how many of us would really be honest to our colleagues at work, or our friends or our families. The truth is we are all two faced, we all bitch about people behind their backs and we all aspire to being something we're not. So what would we be like in the goldfish bowl that is Big Brother? Let's be honest (and I say that with a note of irony) we would all be fake and false if we were in the house - the only difference is that we don't have millions (well, maybe thousands) of people watching our every move and posting gossip about us on sites like this! What do you think?
It's impossible not to be fake in BB
I completely agree with you - great post 
I am guilty of being "fake" as much as the next person. So, for people to call some of the housemates "fake" is the pot calling the kettle black, if I'm being honest with my opinions. 
I am guilty of being "fake" as much as the next person. So, for people to call some of the housemates "fake" is the pot calling the kettle black, if I'm being honest with my opinions.
completely agree.. Its the same as going into any social situation.
It might be less fake if you screamed at the old lady at the bus-stop who had the temerity to ask you how you are feeling, when you feel like shit, but we don't, do we? we say "fine thanks" and smile..
It might be less fake if you screamed at the old lady at the bus-stop who had the temerity to ask you how you are feeling, when you feel like shit, but we don't, do we? we say "fine thanks" and smile..
Originally Posted by ludovica:
“completely agree.. Its the same as going into any social situation.
It might be less fake if you screamed at the old lady at the bus-stop who had the temerity to ask you how you are feeling, when you feel like shit, but we don't, do we? we say "fine thanks" and smile..”
“completely agree.. Its the same as going into any social situation.
It might be less fake if you screamed at the old lady at the bus-stop who had the temerity to ask you how you are feeling, when you feel like shit, but we don't, do we? we say "fine thanks" and smile..”
And what about if the old lady at the bus stop was in the queue behind you when it's pouring with rain but she pushes in before you and 'tuts' as she does it - you don't say "hey, go to the back, I was here first" - no you just smile and let her get on with it. And when someone at work is really winding you up with that boring story of how they went to Glastonbury when the best bands were on and it was the muddiest ever and they all had the best time - do you say "Shut up, you're really boring" - I bet you don't (except when you talk about them when you're at the coffee machine)
Originally Posted by Ena Sharples:
“And what about if the old lady at the bus stop was in the queue behind you when it's pouring with rain but she pushes in before you and 'tuts' as she does it - you don't say "hey, go to the back, I was here first" - no you just smile and let her get on with it. And when someone at work is really winding you up with that boring story of how they went to Glastonbury when the best bands were on and it was the muddiest ever and they all had the best time - do you say "Shut up, you're really boring" - I bet you don't (except when you talk about them when you're at the coffee machine)”
“And what about if the old lady at the bus stop was in the queue behind you when it's pouring with rain but she pushes in before you and 'tuts' as she does it - you don't say "hey, go to the back, I was here first" - no you just smile and let her get on with it. And when someone at work is really winding you up with that boring story of how they went to Glastonbury when the best bands were on and it was the muddiest ever and they all had the best time - do you say "Shut up, you're really boring" - I bet you don't (except when you talk about them when you're at the coffee machine)
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Quite! Endless confrontation is equally boring as appeasement... After all, we all got very quickly tired of Kitten's antics didn't we?
Sure, it's possible to be *not fake* - a guy in Holland that was a slob and didn't pretend not to be did just that in one of their series. He finished in the last two . . . but the good-looking guy who didn't fart won the money. The teenies said they had enough farting with their own boyfriends, and preferred a guy with a cork up his arse on their bedroom walls.
Originally Posted by ^The Girth^:
“Sure, it's possible to be *not fake* - a guy in Holland that was a slob and didn't pretend not to be did just that in one of their series. He finished in the last two . . . but the good-looking guy who didn't fart won the money. The teenies said they had enough farting with their own boyfriends, and preferred a guy with a cork up his arse on their bedroom walls.”
“Sure, it's possible to be *not fake* - a guy in Holland that was a slob and didn't pretend not to be did just that in one of their series. He finished in the last two . . . but the good-looking guy who didn't fart won the money. The teenies said they had enough farting with their own boyfriends, and preferred a guy with a cork up his arse on their bedroom walls.”
Fakeness is more popular than reality then...
oh yeah! I knew there must be some explanation for Jordan!
That may be true Dan and Stu fan - after all, it has been said that perception is reality - and if we all perceive things differently, which thing is the 'real' one?
@Ludovica
Of course, this is TV land
But it's easy to spot non-fake in a BB context when it's seen, cos it's so rare. The easiest to spot manifestation of it is when someone says what they think in front of they don't care who regardless of how it might impinge on their potential nomination.
What almost all of these wannabe airheads never seem to figure is that it doesn't matter a rat's arse if everyone in the house nominates you every goddam single week. What matters is what the people outside think. Give us one housemate once who just says to another housemate, "You're a drip" to their face, when they think they're a drip and they already will have some kudos from anyone with any braincells on the outside. After all, the winners of these things can't ever be the most liked (they're almost always a bunch of preening wannabe cretins) . . . rather the winner has to be the least disliked.
Least disliked not necessarily equating to bland/inoffensive, of course, which I often find the most offensive tactic of all
Of course, this is TV land
But it's easy to spot non-fake in a BB context when it's seen, cos it's so rare. The easiest to spot manifestation of it is when someone says what they think in front of they don't care who regardless of how it might impinge on their potential nomination.
What almost all of these wannabe airheads never seem to figure is that it doesn't matter a rat's arse if everyone in the house nominates you every goddam single week. What matters is what the people outside think. Give us one housemate once who just says to another housemate, "You're a drip" to their face, when they think they're a drip and they already will have some kudos from anyone with any braincells on the outside. After all, the winners of these things can't ever be the most liked (they're almost always a bunch of preening wannabe cretins) . . . rather the winner has to be the least disliked.
Least disliked not necessarily equating to bland/inoffensive, of course, which I often find the most offensive tactic of all
The alternative to "fake" and being "two faced" is "honest" and being "yourself".
Now the problem with that is that for these purposes honest equates to being unpleasant, rude and agressive.
"Ah", they say nodding their heads in approval," he may be rude antisocail and agressive, he's no angel, but he's just being himself and at least he's honest."
Now the problem with that is that for these purposes honest equates to being unpleasant, rude and agressive.
"Ah", they say nodding their heads in approval," he may be rude antisocail and agressive, he's no angel, but he's just being himself and at least he's honest."
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“Now the problem with that is that for these purposes honest equates to being unpleasant, rude and agressive.”
“Now the problem with that is that for these purposes honest equates to being unpleasant, rude and agressive.”
Not really, I'm hardly ever rude to people I like, other than in jest. Look, it's really simple - if you don't wanna be seen as two-faced on a reality show, don't whine in private about so-and-so's honking like a seal driving you nuts. Rather say to the person who keeps honking like a seal, "For God's sake, give it a rest" every once in a while.
And if they and their house-buds nominate you, it doesn't matter a jot. The people who vote you out are "Us" not "Them".
Alternatively, if you like someone in the house, no need to be rude to them at all.
Originally Posted by ^The Girth^:
“Not really, I'm hardly ever rude to people I like, other than in jest. .”
“Not really, I'm hardly ever rude to people I like, other than in jest. .”
I'm not sure the claim not to be rude to people you like with its apparent consequential permission to be rude to everyone else is a complete vindication of your argument.
OK, incomplete counter to your argument that "honest equates to being unpleasant, rude and agressive"
I'll rephrase, I'm hardly ever rude to people I like, other than in jest . . . and also hardly ever rude at all to people I am indifferent to.
Main point still stands, if someone in there is getting on your mammaries, tell them they are getting on your mammaries - don't find some darkened corner with some like-mind and whine on about how they are doing aforementioned. This, BB history shows, is the way to lose.
I'll rephrase, I'm hardly ever rude to people I like, other than in jest . . . and also hardly ever rude at all to people I am indifferent to.
Main point still stands, if someone in there is getting on your mammaries, tell them they are getting on your mammaries - don't find some darkened corner with some like-mind and whine on about how they are doing aforementioned. This, BB history shows, is the way to lose.
