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![]() ![]() ![]() I bet those two topics have never been discussed together before. I bet the mods were just waiting for an amazing post to start a new thread with. Either that ot this was their way of saying word to your thoughts of a chryed bed scene ![]() The mods would love a Chryed bed scene as much as we would![]()
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LOL I read that post! Zainab would be a terrible lesbian!!!
I think her and Massood are a lovely couple (despite their rejection of Syed) and for her to understand true love and being rejected and burned for running away from an arranged marriage etc, that love she has for Mas and takes for granted is an important part in the story. I love the contrast of her hypocricy, it is a really strong story point. Her fears and hatred for her son are driven by that social rejection, not homophobia from being secretly gay herself. In this way it shows the culture and strong family traditions around them, rather than if she was gay then it would absolve the responsibility of pakistani/islamic etc culture of being 'homophobic', and make it a personal problem exclusive to Zainab. ![]() I think that Zainab's faith is also part of the reason she feels so strong, she believes her son will go to hell for being gay, it's not just her culture.....in reality both things are completely intertwined for a devout person like her. You could also add her guilt and sense of shame of her own past and her need to be accepted.....she's obsessed with appearances and community standing....she's a complicated character. |
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We have so many talented Chryed artists
![]() We should open a Chryed Art Exhibit! ![]() ETA: I am a bit concerned about poor Syed's arm. Has Christian torn it off in a fit of passion or crushed it? :sleep: Actually I'm quite jealous. I never know what to do with my arms when I'm trying to sleep, i wish i could detach them ![]() Loved your post Glowbot. Word to it all. A horse covered in glitter is the best description of Amira i have ever read. I don't know why but soaps really cannot do lesbians. There have been some really iconic gay s/l in soaps but i cannot think of any lesbian ones. The Sian and Sophie s/l seems really poorly done IMO both in performances and dialogue. And the Sonia liking girls s/l always seems to be mocked.
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LOL
Actually I'm quite jealous. I never know what to do with my arms when I'm trying to sleep, i wish i could detach them ![]() Loved your post Glowbot. Word to it all. A horse covered in glitter is the best description of Amira i have ever read. I don't know why but soaps really cannot do lesbians. There have been some really iconic gay s/l in soaps but i cannot think of any lesbian ones. The Sian and Sophie s/l seems really poorly done IMO both in performances and dialogue. And the Sonia liking girls s/l always seems to be mocked.There was a storyline in Hollyoaks with Sarah who started dating a girl....but then they made her girlfriend Lydia go crazy and cut parachute cords resulting in Sarah plummeting to her death.....so not exactly a positive exploration of lesbian relationships As a bisexual woman I would LOVE for there to be a well written/interesting lesbian character/couple in EE at some point ![]() And the bit about your arms when sleeping...totally agree...I tend to hug a pillow when I am asleep...yes I know I am strange:sleep: ![]()
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a woman who looks a bit like a horse covered in glitter.
![]() ![]() She will no longer be ATO to me, now she is "a horse covered in glitter" (does AHCIG work?). Thanks for cheering me up on a rainy day Glowbot!
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Part 63???????
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ooh that is interesting. But I am not sure the teens need another best mate crush. I'd like to see a lesbian in EE, but it's like they have their minorities and gay quota filled with 'box-ticker' Syed now.
What I like about Chryed is they were two people at different stages in their lives, one ready to settle down after a lot of sleeping around and approaching 40, one ready to embark on a pointless exercise in futility with a woman who looks a bit like a horse covered in glitter. They were both so different it showed that gay people aren't all like Sean from Corrie and there is a vast spectrum, I mean they even had Layton to show that everyone is different and some people are. What gay teens need more, is to see a stable adult couple being normal as a positive role model and example. I think they can manage to crush on their best friends on their own. I've seen the teenage 'oh I kissed a girl and I liked it!' lots of times, and to be honest I have heard from gay teens and they have all that groups and support at school now. It's a bit easier for them these days, but for people trapped in a culture or religion, there's no support for them really. EE did it better than Biker Grove anyhow which was for teens. That kind of storyline was the reasons me and my siblings weren't allowed to watch soaps, because my parents figured it turned you gay. Which is stupid, but idk... it kind of has made me a bit now. ![]() Anyway, I think the "new twist" can be a nice couple treated the same way as the others. I think EE did that before in the 80's with some people I can't remember it but it was in the behind the scenes show. The do do that well. They don't do lesbians well though. bib2 - what i always loved about chryed, what made me adore them over any other gay storyline, was that their 'issues' were not the traditional coming out pains. coming out is tough for many, and at any age that first relationship is huge, but the fact syed was coming out within a pakistani muslim context, and that the two men were adults, made it so special from the offset. the overwhelming force of the obstacle and the maturity of their age (christian in particular) makes it so much more powerful than any other. bib3 - be a lot if it makes you happy, be all the way you, lovely funny glowbot bib4 - zoe tate from ED, only ever brilliant lesbian in soap as far as i remember. not defined by her sexuality, but not wavering either (she just hadn't met the right man yet |
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The Sonia storyline was appalling. I don't believe the actress believed in it either, they both looked very uncomfortable. Sonia was bored with Martin so she decided to have an affair with an even more boring woman in Naomi?
![]() Apart from Chryed, Barry and Colin have been EE's only ground breaking and decent gay s/l. The gay doctor "s/l"...well I don't know why the actor had a go at EE for...his character was never a major character at all, the character was one up from a speaking extra, and the fact he was Asian and gay was barely mentioned. I wish people would give Chryed/EE more credit. They may not like the s/l or the characters, but it WAS and IS a ground breaking s/l...combining religion, specifically Islam, and sexuality, as well as combining sham marriages, and family intolerance. Not to mention the fact that Chryed are both grown men, and highly sexual men at that (especially Christian) |
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Totally get waht you mean....the Sonia storyline was rubbish cos one minute she was like...I'm a lesbian! then the next she was in love with Martin again
There was a storyline in Hollyoaks with Sarah who started dating a girl....but then they made her girlfriend Lydia go crazy and cut parachute cords resulting in Sarah plummeting to her death.....so not exactly a positive exploration of lesbian relationships As a bisexual woman I would LOVE for there to be a well written/interesting lesbian character/couple in EE at some point ![]() And the bit about your arms when sleeping...totally agree...I tend to hug a pillow when I am asleep...yes I know I am strange:sleep: ![]() ![]() if you know waht i mean
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Totally get waht you mean....the Sonia storyline was rubbish cos one minute she was like...I'm a lesbian! then the next she was in love with Martin again
There was a storyline in Hollyoaks with Sarah who started dating a girl....but then they made her girlfriend Lydia go crazy and cut parachute cords resulting in Sarah plummeting to her death.....so not exactly a positive exploration of lesbian relationships As a bisexual woman I would LOVE for there to be a well written/interesting lesbian character/couple in EE at some point ![]() And the bit about your arms when sleeping...totally agree...I tend to hug a pillow when I am asleep...yes I know I am strange:sleep: ![]() ![]() The thing I don't get- why did they make her say she was a lesbian? Bisexuality exists. Of course, that paved way for "...you couldn't decide whether to play your trumpet, or read a book, or BE A LESBIAN!" so, whatever.
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The Sonia storyline was appalling. I don't believe the actress believed in it either, they both looked very uncomfortable. Sonia was bored with Martin so she decided to have an affair with an even more boring woman in Naomi?
![]() Apart from Chryed, Barry and Colin have been EE's only ground breaking and decent gay s/l. The gay doctor "s/l"...well I don't know why the actor had a go at EE for...his character was never a major character at all, the character was one up from a speaking extra, and the fact he was Asian and gay was barely mentioned. I wish people would give Chryed/EE more credit. They may not like the s/l or the characters, but it WAS and IS a ground breaking s/l...combining religion, specifically Islam, and sexuality, as well as combining sham marriages, and family intolerance. Not to mention the fact that Chryed are both grown men, and highly sexual men at that (especially Christian)
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Totally get waht you mean....the Sonia storyline was rubbish cos one minute she was like...I'm a lesbian! then the next she was in love with Martin again
There was a storyline in Hollyoaks with Sarah who started dating a girl....but then they made her girlfriend Lydia go crazy and cut parachute cords resulting in Sarah plummeting to her death.....so not exactly a positive exploration of lesbian relationships As a bisexual woman I would LOVE for there to be a well written/interesting lesbian character/couple in EE at some point ![]() And the bit about your arms when sleeping...totally agree...I tend to hug a pillow when I am asleep...yes I know I am strange:sleep: ![]() ![]() |
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Has anything new happened in Chyedville
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Hey everyone *waves*
Glowbot - just have to say that I loved your post! I love your dirty smutty posts but I loved this deep and insightful one even more... Oh and calling Amira a horse covered in glitter is a little insulting to My Little Pony ![]() Also, to all of you who were on late last night...I woke up and read your posts first thing this morning and absolutely pmsl. You were all extremely funny last night and put me in such a good mood to face Monday morning. Note: am still struggling to use smilies as I am never sure now if I am joking with someone or flirting with them or whether I am just being downright dirty. |
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"So you can't deny the positive impact these storylines have but whether EastEnders could pull one off is another thing, I'm personally not a huge fan of Christian and Syed, the story does have it's fans and they are very supportive and vocal but I don't think it's been successful in appealing to the masses"
"I'd be happy to see a well-written gay or lesbian storyline under Kirkwood. As long as it isn't as boringly protracted as Christian/Syed (both good characters though) or as pointless as Sonia/Naomi, or it isn't solely about "tackling an issue". "I like the idea of Steven Beale returning. If he has gotten therapy for his mental problems, he could be a strong younger gay character. Ian and Steven could reconcile causing more conflict with Jane. Christian could befriend Steven who could continually try seduce him causing problems with Syed" I think these comments illustrate what we've said many times, that the reluctance of embracing the story fully for fear offending muslims and middle England resulted in a sketchy and at times bady told story. ITV free from having to answer the license fee payer and with the benefit of learning what was criticised about Chryed has capitalised on it, especially for ED....in the meantime our boys will never get acknowledged because of the way that Chryed was initially handled. Our hope is that from now on Kirwood and his team will give us a well told story of a gay couple who will continue to face struggles of many kinds. They now have the chance of indeed making it compelling viewing not just for us die hard fans but for the masses. What EE missed the first time around is now for the taking....with Marc and Johnny's chemistry and acting ability they have a great opportunity.....let's hope that from now on they will set the standard and not be the ones chasing after it. Having said all this I'll forever be grateful to the BBC and EE for running with the story, even with all the mishaps that have happened along the way, better than the alternative, to have never seen the beauty of Chryed....it's been worth it...it is worth it! With this I sign off, see you later guys
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The Sarah/Lydia storyline was so bad. HO also had a so-called bisexual guy in Ravi...well bisexual for one s/l as he has never so much as looked at another man since.
cause they make the girl "suddenly" gay with out really no bulid up and plus its always going yes i am gay noi am not yes ,no etc if you know what i mean but if a good s/l soes come up i will be really please
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Personally I don't want to see EE tackle another gay storyline right now. They have Chryed and they have barely touched the surface with them yet, and all the issues they have. I'd find the "fall for best mate"/gay teen angle incredibly dull. It has been done a million times before and we have had so many gay teens in our soaps and dramas. What makes Chryed so unique is not only the Muslim aspect, but the fact that Syed and Christian are both adults, Christian being almost 40.
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bib4 - zoe tate from ED, only ever brilliant lesbian in soap as far as i remember. not defined by her sexuality, but not wavering either (she just hadn't met the right man yet
). Zoe was fantastic. I hate storylines like Sonia's in EE that belittle the experience of gay men/women, reducing it to I Kissed A Girl syndrome
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Part 63.
It didn't help that Sonia and Naomi had all the chemistry of a sack of spuds. The thing I don't get- why did they make her say she was a lesbian? Bisexuality exists. Of course, that paved way for "...you couldn't decide whether to play your trumpet, or read a book, or BE A LESBIAN!" so, whatever. |
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Bye surreal ![]() Hey LMB ![]() Quote:
It didn't help that Sonia and Naomi had all the chemistry of a sack of spuds.
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Bye Surreal
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Sofa kiss/wrestle episode. Says it all. The kiss (what we saw of it) was actually very hot and full of passion, which made up for the insipid writing and early ending.
...and the duff duffs before the kiss......still angry about that![]() ![]() ...at least the episode after that had perfect moment![]()
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And they still got a bed scene :sleep:
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LOL....so true!!! I think Johnny and Marc have shown how even when there is some questionable writing at times as long as the chemistry is there the story is engaging
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FFS.
![]() Yeah, this is so true. I've always said without the acting ability of everyone involved and the chemistry between Johnny and Marc, this storyline would've failed. The writing has been subpar at times- though genuinely excellent at others, must say, which only makes the below-average stuff more frustrating when you know what they're capable of when they give it attention- and the pacing has been horrendous. I personally don't think the storyline was dragged-out as a lot of people seem to say. In fact, I thought the problem was problems being rushed and dealt with too quickly. Except, of course, blackmail which was the least interesting portion of the storyline for me, and that got dragged out for six bliddy weeks and was just the same thing over and over again. It's just all the bloody blackholes made it seem like they were dragging it out. Way to go, EE. |
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FFS.
![]() Yeah, this is so true. I've always said without the acting ability of everyone involved and the chemistry between Johnny and Marc, this storyline would've failed. The writing has been subpar at times- though genuinely excellent at others, must say, which only makes the below-average stuff more frustrating when you know what they're capable of when they give it attention- and the pacing has been horrendous. I personally don't think the storyline was dragged-out as a lot of people seem to say. In fact, I thought the problem was problems being rushed and dealt with too quickly. Except, of course, blackmail which was the least interesting portion of the storyline for me, and that got dragged out for six bliddy weeks and was just the same thing over and over again. The rest of the time, it was just all the bloody blackholes made it seem like they were dragging it out. Way to go, EE. BIB 2 So true...all the black holes were soooo frustrating .....
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There have been some really iconic gay s/l in soaps but i cannot think of any lesbian ones. The Sian and Sophie s/l seems really poorly done IMO both in performances and dialogue. And the Sonia liking girls s/l always seems to be mocked.


). Zoe was fantastic. I hate storylines like Sonia's in EE that belittle the experience of gay men/women, reducing it to I Kissed A Girl syndrome
...and the duff duffs before the kiss......still angry about that
