BIB Definitely The mods would love a Chryed bed scene as much as we would

It's a funny comment n'est pas?

I think that Zainab's faith is also part of the reason she feels so strong, she believes her son will go to hell for being gay, it's not just her culture.....in reality both things are completely intertwined for a devout person like her.

You could also add her guilt and sense of shame of her own past and her need to be accepted.....she's obsessed with appearances and community standing....she's a complicated character.

LOL

Actually I'm quite jealous. I never know what to do with my arms when I'm trying to sleep, i wish i could detach them

Loved your post Glowbot. Word to it all. A horse covered in glitter is the best description of Amira i have ever read.

I don't know why but soaps really cannot do lesbians. There have been some really iconic gay s/l in soaps but i cannot think of any lesbian ones. The Sian and Sophie s/l seems really poorly done IMO both in performances and dialogue. And the Sonia liking girls s/l always seems to be mocked.

Totally get waht you mean....the Sonia storyline was rubbish cos one minute she was like...I'm a lesbian! then the next she was in love with Martin again
There was a storyline in Hollyoaks with Sarah who started dating a girl....but then they made her girlfriend Lydia go crazy and cut parachute cords resulting in Sarah plummeting to her death.....so not exactly a positive exploration of lesbian relationships
As a bisexual woman I would LOVE for there to be a well written/interesting lesbian character/couple in EE at some point

And the bit about your arms when sleeping...totally agree...I tend to hug a pillow when I am asleep...yes I know I am strange:sleep:

Ha!! I had to delurk to comment on this, it's absolute genius She will no longer be ATO to me, now she is "a horse covered in glitter" (does AHCIG work?). Thanks for cheering me up on a rainy day Glowbot!

Part 63???????

bib1 - line of the month.

bib2 - what i always loved about chryed, what made me adore them over any other gay storyline, was that their 'issues' were not the traditional coming out pains. coming out is tough for many, and at any age that first relationship is huge, but the fact syed was coming out within a pakistani muslim context, and that the two men were adults, made it so special from the offset. the overwhelming force of the obstacle and the maturity of their age (christian in particular) makes it so much more powerful than any other.

bib3 - be a lot if it makes you happy, be all the way you, lovely funny glowbot

bib4 - zoe tate from ED, only ever brilliant lesbian in soap as far as i remember. not defined by her sexuality, but not wavering either (she just hadn't met the right man yet or what's known as 'sonia fowler' syndrome, discovered her current man was a tit)...and certainly not created for the joy of straight men.

The Sonia storyline was appalling. I don't believe the actress believed in it either, they both looked very uncomfortable. Sonia was bored with Martin so she decided to have an affair with an even more boring woman in Naomi?

Apart from Chryed, Barry and Colin have been EE's only ground breaking and decent gay s/l.

The gay doctor "s/l"...well I don't know why the actor had a go at EE for...his character was never a major character at all, the character was one up from a speaking extra, and the fact he was Asian and gay was barely mentioned.

I wish people would give Chryed/EE more credit. They may not like the s/l or the characters, but it WAS and IS a ground breaking s/l...combining religion, specifically Islam, and sexuality, as well as combining sham marriages, and family intolerance. Not to mention the fact that Chryed are both grown men, and highly sexual men at that (especially Christian)

I agree as i bisexual women i would liek a chryed standed s/l for a lesibian couple if you know waht i mean

Part 63.


It didn't help that Sonia and Naomi had all the chemistry of a sack of spuds.

The thing I don't get- why did they make her say she was a lesbian? Bisexuality exists. Of course, that paved way for "...you couldn't decide whether to play your trumpet, or read a book, or BE A LESBIAN!" so, whatever.

thanks joanne, my return to work mode now is going to go well, i can sense it...

The Sarah/Lydia storyline was so bad. HO also had a so-called bisexual guy in Ravi...well bisexual for one s/l as he has never so much as looked at another man since.

Has anything new happened in Chyedville ??

Hey everyone *waves*

Glowbot - just have to say that I loved your post! I love your dirty smutty posts but I loved this deep and insightful one even more... Oh and calling Amira a horse covered in glitter is a little insulting to My Little Pony

Also, to all of you who were on late last night...I woke up and read your posts first thing this morning and absolutely pmsl. You were all extremely funny last night and put me in such a good mood to face Monday morning.

Note: am still struggling to use smilies as I am never sure now if I am joking with someone or flirting with them or whether I am just being downright dirty.

"So you can't deny the positive impact these storylines have but whether EastEnders could pull one off is another thing, I'm personally not a huge fan of Christian and Syed, the story does have it's fans and they are very supportive and vocal but I don't think it's been successful in appealing to the masses"

"I'd be happy to see a well-written gay or lesbian storyline under Kirkwood. As long as it isn't as boringly protracted as Christian/Syed (both good characters though) or as pointless as Sonia/Naomi, or it isn't solely about "tackling an issue".

"I like the idea of Steven Beale returning. If he has gotten therapy for his mental problems, he could be a strong younger gay character. Ian and Steven could reconcile causing more conflict with Jane. Christian could befriend Steven who could continually try seduce him causing problems with Syed"

I think these comments illustrate what we've said many times, that the reluctance of embracing the story fully for fear offending muslims and middle England resulted in a sketchy and at times bady told story.

ITV free from having to answer the license fee payer and with the benefit of learning what was criticised about Chryed has capitalised on it, especially for ED....in the meantime our boys will never get acknowledged because of the way that Chryed was initially handled.

Our hope is that from now on Kirwood and his team will give us a well told story of a gay couple who will continue to face struggles of many kinds. They now have the chance of indeed making it compelling viewing not just for us die hard fans but for the masses. What EE missed the first time around is now for the taking....with Marc and Johnny's chemistry and acting ability they have a great opportunity.....let's hope that from now on they will set the standard and not be the ones chasing after it.

Having said all this I'll forever be grateful to the BBC and EE for running with the story, even with all the mishaps that have happened along the way, better than the alternative, to have never seen the beauty of Chryed....it's been worth it...it is worth it!

With this I sign off, see you later guys

I know thats why i hate lesbian s/l esp in soaps
cause they make the girl "suddenly" gay with out really no bulid up and plus its always going yes i am gay noi am not yes ,no etc if you know what i mean but if a good s/l soes come up i will be really please

QFT Joanne

Word. It's actually quite amazing to think that this character was developed well over 10 years ago now (*is refusing to contemplate possibility of it being more like 15 years as that would mean I'm getting old* ). Zoe was fantastic. I hate storylines like Sonia's in EE that belittle the experience of gay men/women, reducing it to I Kissed A Girl syndrome

And they still got a bed scene :sleep:

Bye surreal
Hey LMB


LOL....so true!!! I think Johnny and Marc have shown how even when there is some questionable writing at times as long as the chemistry is there the story is engaging

Sofa kiss/wrestle episode. Says it all. The kiss (what we saw of it) was actually very hot and full of passion, which made up for the insipid writing and early ending.

Oh god...that ep...after SBM being so amazingly heartbreaking the following ep was SUCH a let down...and the duff duffs before the kiss......still angry about that...at least the episode after that had perfect moment

FFS. I actually remember a bed scene of theirs, it mentally scarred me so badly.


Yeah, this is so true. I've always said without the acting ability of everyone involved and the chemistry between Johnny and Marc, this storyline would've failed. The writing has been subpar at times- though genuinely excellent at others, must say, which only makes the below-average stuff more frustrating when you know what they're capable of when they give it attention- and the pacing has been horrendous. I personally don't think the storyline was dragged-out as a lot of people seem to say. In fact, I thought the problem was problems being rushed and dealt with too quickly. Except, of course, blackmail which was the least interesting portion of the storyline for me, and that got dragged out for six bliddy weeks and was just the same thing over and over again. The rest of the time, it was just all the bloody blackholes made it seem like they were dragging it out. Way to go, EE.

Weirdly, with Simon and Tony, the lack of chemistry didn't bother me. I was still obsessed with the storyline and totally shouted for them to get together. Even though their one kiss was about as exciting as watching Dot kissing Jim.

BIB 1 Totally agree...it's like when you watch an ep as brillaint as NYD and you think...why can't the writing be as fantastic as this all the time???

BIB 2 So true...all the black holes were soooo frustrating.....