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BBC SCD Forum Look What's Happening Instead
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Doghouse Riley
16-09-2010
At a guess, I'd say the dedicated BBC's SCD forums received about ten percent of the number of posts on this board.

The "three minute nonsense" was a big turn off for many.

The BBC have been steadily reducing the number of message boards they have available. There was often no logic for some of them.
I believe "The Archers" radio programme had six and even "Bonekickers" had four.

They much prefer blogs where they have complete control.
*stargazer*
16-09-2010
Originally Posted by Doghouse Riley:
“At a guess, I'd say the dedicated BBC's SCD forums received about ten percent of the number of posts on this board.

The "three minute nonsense" was a big turn off for many.

The BBC have been steadily reducing the number of message boards they have available. There was often no logic for some of them.
I believe "The Archers" radio programme had six and even "Bonekickers" had four.

They much prefer blogs where they have complete control.”

I agree! I mean, why give people boards where you can criticise you? That is why DS is better, because they don't have those inbuilt affiliations.
Inanna
16-09-2010
Originally Posted by ewoodie:
“Morning.”




Morning e <smooch> sorry I am a day late though
Miso
18-09-2010
Well I really enjoyed the BBC forums, the new blogs are a bit pointless for discussion.
It seems like someone is going to have to give me a run down on the "regular posters" here. I feel like I'm missing something....
Mystical123
18-09-2010
Originally Posted by Miso:
“Well I really enjoyed the BBC forums, the new blogs are a bit pointless for discussion.
It seems like someone is going to have to give me a run down on the "regular posters" here. I feel like I'm missing something.... ”

Many people who used to post on the BBC boards can be found in the Norty Step, the newly-created off-topic thread here. (I'm not one of them, but still post there). Come on in, we have cake and Malteasers
Miso
18-09-2010
Originally Posted by Mystical123:
“Many people who used to post on the BBC boards can be found in the Norty Step, the newly-created off-topic thread here. (I'm not one of them, but still post there). Come on in, we have cake and Malteasers ”

Thank you. I will have a look
Monaogg
19-09-2010
Originally Posted by Doghouse Riley:
“At a guess, I'd say the dedicated BBC's SCD forums received about ten percent of the number of posts on this board.

The &quot;three minute nonsense&quot; was a big turn off for many.

The BBC have been steadily reducing the number of message boards they have available. There was often no logic for some of them.
I believe &quot;The Archers&quot; radio programme had six and even &quot;Bonekickers&quot; had four.

They much prefer blogs where they have complete control.”

Sorry Doghouse Riley but the BBC message boards for SCD compared to the DS SCD section alone were far busier. Which is the only fair comparison. I visited both boards and could never keep up with the BBC one as the post volume was so high. Agrree totally over the 3 minute rule
Doghouse Riley
19-09-2010
Originally Posted by Monaogg:
“Sorry Doghouse Riley but the BBC message boards for SCD compared to the DS SCD section alone were far busier. Which is the only fair comparison. I visited both boards and could never keep up with the BBC one as the post volume was so high. Agrree totally over the 3 minute rule”

Not so sure about that, but you may be right, I once for something to do, did a count on both a couple of years ago and what I said was right at the time, maybe things have changed.
I've just had a look for the first time in a couple of years and there are far more boards for that programme than I remember. I counted eight! What a waste of money.

But some of the posts on front pages went back to August whilst on here the front page only covers half a day.
Monaogg
19-09-2010
Originally Posted by Doghouse Riley:
“Not so sure about that, but you may be right, I once for something to do, did a count on both a couple of years ago and what I said was right at the time, maybe things have changed.
I've just had a look for the first time in a couple of years and there are far more boards for that programme than I remember. I counted eight! What a waste of money.

But some of the posts on front pages went back to August whilst on here the front page only covers half a day.”

Very difficult to compare postings as the BBC site had a totally different style. Here subjects are sensibly merged where the basic subject is the same; where the beeb site would have 20 different topics with the same subject because the original was several pages back. Yet one single topic managed over 12,000 replies, another over 13,000 (these are not typos). No where on the DS SCD section have I seen that level of reply to one thread.
Mystical123
19-09-2010
Originally Posted by Monaogg:
“Very difficult to compare postings as the BBC site had a totally different style. Here subjects are sensibly merged where the basic subject is the same; where the beeb site would have 20 different topics with the same subject because the original was several pages back. Yet one single topic managed over 12,000 replies, another over 13,000 (these are not typos). No where on the DS SCD section have I seen that level of reply to one thread.”

No topic here is allowed to get that big - Forum Support close them and start a new part once they get to around 200 pages. And seeing as some Appreciation threads are on part 30-something, it's safe to say they've had more replies in total than 12,000!
Monaogg
19-09-2010
Originally Posted by Mystical123:
“No topic here is allowed to get that big - Forum Support close them and start a new part once they get to around 200 pages. And seeing as some Appreciation threads are on part 30-something, it's safe to say they've had more replies in total than 12,000!”

Ok then. Just taking the Brian Fortuna/Ali Bastian appreciation thread during the same time period as the BBC September to December DS got 5,362 before the thread was closed on 18th December 2009. The Beeb board with the same basic topic got 11380 by the end of the same date.
*stargazer*
19-09-2010
It doesn't matter which forum had the highest post count. The BBC Forum is CLOSED. End of.

Either people can enjoy being on DS or go somewhere else. It really is that simple.
Mystical123
19-09-2010
Originally Posted by Monaogg:
“Ok then. Just taking the Brian Fortuna/Ali Bastian appreciation thread during the same time period as the BBC September to December DS got 5,362 before the thread was closed on 18th December 2009. The Beeb board with the same basic topic got 11380 by the end of the same date.”

That's because a lot of the posters there posted on the BBC boards during the show then moved over here I believe.

Why does post tally matter anyway? One could argue quality over quantity...
StrictlyRed
19-09-2010
Not too bothered about the BBC boards as I prefer these, but I am confused about how to post a comment on the blogs.

I still have a BBC ID, so pressed the "contact us" button as per the instructions and it didn't take me anywhere that I could comment. Went around in circles for a bit then crept away.
Dizzyspins
19-09-2010
Originally Posted by StrictlyRed:
“Not too bothered about the BBC boards as I prefer these, but I am confused about how to post a comment on the blogs.

I still have a BBC ID, so pressed the "contact us" button as per the instructions and it didn't take me anywhere that I could comment. Went around in circles for a bit then crept away.”


Somewhere on there is a log in button StrictlyRed, I think it is at the top of a blog you want to post on, it comes up light blue anyway. I was able to log in using last years password etc
Mystical123
19-09-2010
Originally Posted by StrictlyRed:
“Not too bothered about the BBC boards as I prefer these, but I am confused about how to post a comment on the blogs.

I still have a BBC ID, so pressed the "contact us" button as per the instructions and it didn't take me anywhere that I could comment. Went around in circles for a bit then crept away.”

If you log in at the top right hand corner, then navigate to whichever blog article you want to comment on, scroll down to the bottom of the page and below the most recent comment there should be a text box for you to type a comment, then hit submit/post (can't remember which it is).
StrictlyRed
19-09-2010
Thanks, Dizzy and Mystical, I'll take another look
ewoodie
20-09-2010
Just been over to the BBC site, saw a new link ....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/strictlyc...geboards.shtml

Quote:
“So, the new site is up and running and many of you have noticed that there are no boards. Here's the reason why.

This year we've decided to focus the site around our unique backstage access to Strictly, particularly around the live shows. We're going to be there every Saturday night giving you exclusive news, gossip, pictures and videos from the heart of the action.

Unfortunately, this means we have had to cut back in other areas - namely the messageboards. However, there are still plenty of opportunities for fans to have their say on various hot topics throughout the series via our News Blog .

For those of you that are still hungry for a messageboard experience, there are a number of other sites which have lively Strictly boards -

Points of View

Digital Spy

Yahoo”


What a load of old manure.
Doghouse Riley
21-09-2010
Typical of the BBC, they don't like being criticised. So they stop you from doing it.
If they don't like your message, it won't get on the blog.

Digressing, on the BBC Panorama Programme tonight about "fat cats pay" they actually interviewed a female BBC "fat cat" who was on £300K.

It was just like a "Points of View" programme where they trot on a "suit" who has well prepared answers to the questions put by the resident clown..Ooo! That's Jeremy Vine too isn't it?.
It was so contrived it had me laughing.

So much for the BBC's "Investigative journalism skills."
Servalan
21-09-2010
Originally Posted by ewoodie:
“Just been over to the BBC site, saw a new link ....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/strictlyc...geboards.shtml

What a load of old manure.”

The reason the message boards have been shut down is political, as much as financial.

The BBC has come under increased pressure since the coalition government was elected to scale back its activities, especially online. The argument runs that if the private sector can provide equivalent services, then the BBC should refrain from doing so - and the MBs could hardly have been branded 'uniquely BBC'. More backstage pictures/gossip, however, could be ...

While I have no time for the likes of the Murdochs and their overinflated empire, in this instance I have no problem with what has happened. I started going on the BBC website a couple of years ago and was appalled by the near hysterical tone of debate. The BBC forums also unintentionally provided half-wit journalists with quotes they could cherry-pick and manufacture otherwise baseless 'stories' out of, the purpose of which was purely to rubbish Strictly.

So sorry if you liked them - but I, for one, am delighted to see them go. I just hope the more, ahem, extreme contributors don't end up here ...
Doghouse Riley
21-09-2010
Originally Posted by Servalan:
“The reason the message boards have been shut down is political, as much as financial.

The BBC has come under increased pressure since the coalition government was elected to scale back its activities, especially online. The argument runs that if the private sector can provide equivalent services, then the BBC should refrain from doing so - and the MBs could hardly have been branded 'uniquely BBC'. More backstage pictures/gossip, however, could be ...

While I have no time for the likes of the Murdochs and their overinflated empire, in this instance I have no problem with what has happened. I started going on the BBC website a couple of years ago and was appalled by the near hysterical tone of debate. The BBC forums also unintentionally provided half-wit journalists with quotes they could cherry-pick and manufacture otherwise baseless 'stories' out of, the purpose of which was purely to rubbish Strictly.

So sorry if you liked them - but I, for one, am delighted to see them go. I just hope the more, ahem, extreme contributors don't end up here ... ”

Oh dear!


So the SCD board would have remained if there'd only been "light and fluffy comments?"

It's a pathetic excuse by the BBC.
They just "won't be criticised."

The "Points of View" programme is a classic example of their "need to control."

They like to say that they're fair about the inclusion of viewers' comments and in their way they are.
They include an equal quantity of letters of "effusive praise and mild criticism."

Blogs give them complete control, they only include the messages they choose.

Of course the SCD board had to go, rather than one of the six for "The Archers"

The media don't need the messageboards to manufacture anything, they can do that quite well by themselves.
Servalan
21-09-2010
Originally Posted by Doghouse Riley:
“Oh dear!


So the SCD board would have remained if there'd only been "light and fluffy comments?"

It's a pathetic excuse by the BBC.
They just "won't be criticised."

The "Points of View" programme is a classic example of their "need to control."

They like to say that they're fair about the inclusion of viewers' comments and in their way they are.
They include an equal quantity of letters of "effusive praise and mild criticism."

Blogs give them complete control, they only include the messages they choose.

Of course the SCD board had to go, rather than one of the six for "The Archers"

The media don't need the messageboards to manufacture anything, they can do that quite well by themselves.”

I think you've misunderstood the point I was making ...

I never said the BBC SCD board would have remained if the comments were light and fluffy. I said the BBC is scaling back ALL its online activities under pressure from the government (who, in turn, are under pressure from the Murdochs).

The Murdoch argument is the BBC should not do anything the private sector can provide. As the BBC itself says, if you want to comment on Strictly, you can easily post on any of the websites it mentions. It's not what the BBC FMs said that got the MBs shut down - it's the BBC trying to appease the government. That's why it's providing exclusive online content - that the likes of DS can't - and scaling back on what others can, and do offer.

I have no idea about how the blogs are policed, but the decision to shut down the MBs is nothing whatsoever to do with any desire to silence the BBC's critics. Indeed, the BBC is taking the critics' arguments and applying them to itself ...

And yes, the media - especially the anti-BBC media - DO need the MBs to manufacture 'stories'. The Daily Heil and the Telegraph repeatedly cherry-pick quotes from the BBC MBs/blogs to try and create more distorted coverage of how the Corporation isn't serving Licence Fee-payers, etc. (:yawn. And if the new blog is being censored, how come it included the ridiculous allegation from Anton fans () that him being paired with Ann is punishment for 'P***-gate' last year (as then reported in the Telegraph - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/t...ke-fans.html)? The lunatic theories are still there - blog or MB ...
Doghouse Riley
21-09-2010
Originally Posted by Servalan:
“I think you've misunderstood the point I was making ...

I never said the BBC SCD board would have remained if the comments were light and fluffy. I said the BBC is scaling back ALL its online activities under pressure from the government (who, in turn, are under pressure from the Murdochs).

The Murdoch argument is the BBC should not do anything the private sector can provide. As the BBC itself says, if you want to comment on Strictly, you can easily post on any of the websites it mentions. It's not what the BBC FMs said that got the MBs shut down - it's the BBC trying to appease the government. That's why it's providing exclusive online content - that the likes of DS can't - and scaling back on what others can, and do offer.

I have no idea about how the blogs are policed, but the decision to shut down the MBs is nothing whatsoever to do with any desire to silence the BBC's critics. Indeed, the BBC is taking the critics' arguments and applying them to itself ...

And yes, the media - especially the anti-BBC media - DO need the MBs to manufacture 'stories'. The Daily Heil and the Telegraph repeatedly cherry-pick quotes from the BBC MBs/blogs to try and create more distorted coverage of how the Corporation isn't serving Licence Fee-payers, etc. (:yawn. And if the new blog is being censored, how come it included the ridiculous allegation from Anton fans () that him being paired with Ann is punishment for 'P***-gate' last year (as then reported in the Telegraph - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/t...ke-fans.html)? The lunatic theories are still there - blog or MB ... ”

Err..
Scaling back on messageboards?

SCD 0, Archers 6.

A "result" for me I think.
Servalan
21-09-2010
Originally Posted by Doghouse Riley:
“Err..
Scaling back on messageboards?

SCD 0, Archers 6.

A "result" for me I think.”

The Archers is a continuing, not returning series. Expect changes to that to take place over a longer period. But changes will happen.

And the only 'result' is for Rupert Murdoch ...
Doghouse Riley
21-09-2010
Originally Posted by Servalan:
“The Archers is a continuing, not returning series. Expect changes to that to take place over a longer period. But changes will happen.

And the only 'result' is for Rupert Murdoch ... ”

One of the reasons why blogs replace messageboards is that it denies the licencepayer the opportunity to contribute valid points to a long critical thread.

I've always said the BBC had too many boards. They said so themselves a few years ago and used it to justify closing two "Points of View" boards.

Then they gave "Bonekickers" four.

You never win with the BBC.
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