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wizzywick
15-09-2010
Originally Posted by Webslark:
“some friends of mine jointly changed their names to a new one on their marriage ”

Fair play to them. Don't see the point though! After all a woman after divorce can be a self proclaimed Ms. but a man is always Mr.

I think if my name was Poopants or Bollockdroppings I would be happy for my missus to keep her name! It is the man's responsibility to keep their family name alive so a name is important to a bloke.
davrosdodebird
15-09-2010
Invisipost!

outside
15-09-2010
Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“It is the man's responsibility to keep their family name alive so a name is important to a bloke.”

How are things in the 19th Century?
Webslark
15-09-2010
Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“Fair play to them. Don't see the point though! After all a woman after divorce can be a self proclaimed Ms. but a man is always Mr.

I think if my name was Poopants or Bollockdroppings I would be happy for my missus to keep her name! It is the man's responsibility to keep their family name alive so a name is important to a bloke.”

He wasn't happy with his surname so they changed by deed poll Nothing quite as bad as your examples of course
lach doch mal
15-09-2010
Originally Posted by outside:
“So it should be and she should be hugely thankful that Rory married her in the first place. I also hope in Series 6 she spends a little less time having super adventures and a little more time in the TARDIS kitchen.”

I don't think I would want to be on the forums if this really was happening. Who knows maybe the promised cliffhanger is Amy burning the "tea" and Rory finding out about it.

Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“i am, an old traditionalist I'm afraid! My best friend is rather an independent woman and on the day she got married she told her husband she was hyphernating her name but putting her name first! She hadn't even discussed it with her hubby who looked a little downtrodden!

I believe that if you truly love someone and you want to marry them, you become unified. One. Therefore you share name and by traditional values it is the man's name you take!

This isn't a dfig at you by the way! It's just my view!”

I don't take it as a dig at myself, I very much see it as a different, but still valid opinion to my own. It's why I made the point about different generations. Can I just say, your friend may not have discussed with her husband what she planned to do with her name, but he didn't discuss with her what he wanted to do either! He just assumed she would do it the "traditional way" just as she assumed that he would be alright about a hyphenated surname (after all she still took his name).

I respect people's opinions and at the end, if I ever get married I would keep my name and I would certainly not expect my prospective husband to take mine (there are academic reasons why I wouldn't want to give up my surname). I still share my life, thoughts and everything else with my partner.
lach doch mal
15-09-2010
invisi
wizzywick
15-09-2010
Originally Posted by lach doch mal:
“I don't think I would want to be on the forums if this really was happening. Who knows maybe the promised cliffhanger is Amy burning the "tea" and Rory finding out about it.



I don't take it as a dig at myself, I very much see it as a different, but still valid opinion to my own. It's why I made the point about different generations. Can I just say, your friend may not have discussed with her husband what she planned to do with her name, but he didn't discuss with her what he wanted to do either! He just assumed she would do it the "traditional way" just as she assumed that he would be alright about a hyphenated surname (after all she still took his name).

I respect people's opinions and at the end, if I ever get married I would keep my name and I would certainly not expect my prospective husband to take mine (there are academic reasons why I wouldn't want to give up my surname). I still share my life, thoughts and everything else with my partner.”

Fair do's! I appreciate your viewpoint. I will just add though, that when I asked my late wife to marry me I never even thought she might keep her name. She didn't, but it was assumed, that by marrying me that she would be joining my family so by having my surname seemed normal. I asked her father for permission and her parents gave her a splendid day. Her dad "gave" her away, so technically physically her family name by giving her to me.

I don't have a problem with people who choose different names, keep their own names or hyphernate their names.

With regards to my friend, she had a very wicked and unmentionable childhood due to terrible things her father did to her. Therefore it came out totally out of the blue that she would choose to keep her father's name especially when the hatred she has for him is oh so apparent!
Webslark
15-09-2010
Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“Fair do's! I appreciate your viewpoint. I will just add though, that when I asked my late wife to marry me I never even thought she might keep her name. She didn't, but it was assumed, that by marrying me that she would be joining my family so by having my surname seemed normal. I asked her father for permission and her parents gave her a splendid day. Her dad "gave" her away, so technically physically her family name by giving her to me.

I don't have a problem with people who choose different names, keep their own names or hyphernate their names.

With regards to my friend, she had a very wicked and unmentionable childhood due to terrible things her father did to her. Therefore it came out totally out of the blue that she would choose to keep her father's name especially when the hatred she has for him is oh so apparent!”

My wife took my name, but kept hers for work (possibly for the same reasons as lach) Understandable to me
tingramretro
16-09-2010
Originally Posted by Granny McSmith:
“I always think it's funny when women refuse to take the man's name when they marry - it means they keep their Dad's name instead!”

Really? But my wife's name isn't Dennis...
lach doch mal
16-09-2010
Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“Fair do's! I appreciate your viewpoint. I will just add though, that when I asked my late wife to marry me I never even thought she might keep her name. She didn't, but it was assumed, that by marrying me that she would be joining my family so by having my surname seemed normal. I asked her father for permission and her parents gave her a splendid day. Her dad "gave" her away, so technically physically her family name by giving her to me.”

That sounds very nice and as you say it was the traditional way of doing and IMO there is nothing wrong with it, particularly if both partners are happy with it.

Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“I don't have a problem with people who choose different names, keep their own names or hyphernate their names.”

Me neither, and if it turns out that Amy has become Amy Williams, I would't occur to me to question it.

Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“With regards to my friend, she had a very wicked and unmentionable childhood due to terrible things her father did to her. Therefore it came out totally out of the blue that she would choose to keep her father's name especially when the hatred she has for him is oh so apparent!”

Sorry to hear it, but in this case there are all sorts of psychological reasons why she might have done it. I think what surprises me most about some couples who get married today (not necessarily your friends) is that they actually don't discuss essential things.

To bring the thread back on track, I'm sure that the whole Amy Pond/Williams issue will be resolved (and I don't think there will be a Rory Pond/Williams issue).
DJGM
16-09-2010
Originally Posted by korbany:
“. . . or just abolish surnames and have goverment issued family index numbers, which would
of course be changed to a new number on marriage. Amy and Rory #51,789,234
has a nice ring to it don't you think
”

I am not a number ... I am a FREE MAN!





Oops, wrong show!
tinny
16-09-2010
Remember "End of time" 1 -Donna married Shaun and came Donna Temple-Noble(dont ask)she is quitre old fashioned really and needs a man to sort her out despite the feminst attuide in Series 4!

Martha married Mickey and they joined surnames-Mystery indeed as I dont remember them dating ever !

Amy is feisty so may keep her surname , it wasnt mentioned though but knowing Rory , he might make it an issue A!

sebbie3000
16-09-2010
Originally Posted by davrosdodebird:
“What about Master?

No, not that one, I was referring to the title of Master, as opposed to Mr ”

And Esquire (Esq.)...
sebbie3000
16-09-2010
Originally Posted by nebogipfel:
“It certainly sounded like just banter. We dont know for sure what the arrangement is. We either take what was said on screen as the way it is going to be (the ponds) or we wait until we see the end credits on the christmas episode (have to be careful here or we might have to admit he really is called Dr Who) or they might say something onscreen . Or we can agree that it is of no importance what she calls herself . Do women still take the mans name these days? My wife didn't take mine and it never occurred to me that she would. Only when other people bought it up after the wedding and they thought it odd we hadn't discussed it.”

Whilst I agree that we can't know for definite wht the situation is, we can be 95% positive they are Amy and Rory Williams.

When the Doctor calls them Mr & Mrs Pond, they are at their reception - Therefore they have already signed after their marriage, and the name-change (or not) has already been chosen. As Rory then tells the Doctor that 'it doesn't work like that', this tells me, beyond reasonable doubt, that they have stuck with the traditional method of the Bride taking the Groom's name. I only put the 5% doubt in there for the nay-sayers. In my mind it's perfectly clear they are Mr & Mrs Williams...

As for the Doctor calling them the Ponds - he was clearly reffering to the fact that Amy is much more the ballsy party in that marriage, and he was honouring that (and mocking Rory - which had done gently throughout the series).
sebbie3000
16-09-2010
Originally Posted by Shrike:
“Its very common for actresses to keep their maiden names - so ironically when some lucky swine finally takes Karen up the aisle (ooh-err misses!) she'll probably stay Karen Gillan, though it would still be very unusual for him to change his surname.”

I think that depends on their Equity name - you can't change your Equity membership name easily, so they keep the name they were when they became a member.

At least they do for performances and loyalty cheques, and public appearances.

I've dealt with quite a few actresses whose actual surnames are completely different from their public surnames, as they married after choosing their Equity membership name.
nebogipfel
16-09-2010
Originally Posted by sebbie3000:
“Whilst I agree that we can't know for definite wht the situation is, we can be 95% positive they are Amy and Rory Williams.

When the Doctor calls them Mr & Mrs Pond, they are at their reception - Therefore they have already signed after their marriage, and the name-change (or not) has already been chosen. As Rory then tells the Doctor that 'it doesn't work like that', this tells me, beyond reasonable doubt, that they have stuck with the traditional method of the Bride taking the Groom's name. I only put the 5% doubt in there for the nay-sayers. In my mind it's perfectly clear they are Mr & Mrs Williams...

As for the Doctor calling them the Ponds - he was clearly reffering to the fact that Amy is much more the ballsy party in that marriage, and he was honouring that (and mocking Rory - which had done gently throughout the series).”

Ok . Fair enough. i didn't know that is what the procedure was. Maybe my wife did take my name after all ? I didn't pay much attention during the paper work bit. She still has bank accounts and things in her name and i still call her that . Maybe she is really called Mrs Nebo after all.
sebbie3000
16-09-2010
Originally Posted by nebogipfel:
“Ok . Fair enough. i didn't know that is what the procedure was. Maybe my wife did take my name after all ? I didn't pay much attention during the paper work bit. She still has bank accounts and things in her name and i still call her that . Maybe she is really called Mrs Nebo after all.”

Well, it's the 'traditional' procedure, at least in England.

It's up to her to change them if she did, and I've known some people (mostly in my family) who didn't bother for years...

My mum wouldn't change her name on her banks cards and things until she'd used the last cheque in her book. And as she's never been one to shop or spend much, that took two years!
Gutted Girl
17-09-2010
Originally Posted by sebbie3000:
“Whilst I agree that we can't know for definite wht the situation is, we can be 95% positive they are Amy and Rory Williams.

When the Doctor calls them Mr & Mrs Pond, they are at their reception - Therefore they have already signed after their marriage, and the name-change (or not) has already been chosen. As Rory then tells the Doctor that 'it doesn't work like that', this tells me, beyond reasonable doubt, that they have stuck with the traditional method of the Bride taking the Groom's name. I only put the 5% doubt in there for the nay-sayers. In my mind it's perfectly clear they are Mr & Mrs Williams...

As for the Doctor calling them the Ponds - he was clearly reffering to the fact that Amy is much more the ballsy party in that marriage, and he was honouring that (and mocking Rory - which had done gently throughout the series).”

There is no legal requirement for anyone to change their name after marriage. It's also as legal for a man to take the woman's name as the other way around or to adopt both, but then you get into the arguements about which come first.

I kept my own name and I also don't use Mrs. I'm quite happy with Ms.

After 21 years it still really annoys me when people assume that I took OH surname.
dalekaddison
17-09-2010
I recently read "The Glamour Chase" and Rory mentions this very topic. However, he simply thinks about the marriage at lists what they could be called. Williams, Pond, Williams-Pond or Pond-Williams. He then says there will be lots of discussion about that. And then simply returns to the topic of the book. It could have been our answer if we were lucky!

But that book has been quite interesting really (Please be pepared for me to go off topic)
I kept thinking, wouldn't it be cool if Doctor Who was being filmed here at College. (Oh noes! He's at college! ) Then I could get the stars to sign the book which I had.

Interestingly, this caused a dream later that day where I was in town and there in the middle of the town centre, sitting on a put up chair, in full costume (With Fez ) was Matt Smith. Luckily David Tennant turned up too, so me and ma mate Dave () interviewed Matt about his role. However, the interview was short lived as some event interfered. Can't remember what though.

Sorry for going off topic!
sebbie3000
17-09-2010
Originally Posted by Gutted Girl:
“There is no legal requirement for anyone to change their name after marriage. It's also as legal for a man to take the woman's name as the other way around or to adopt both, but then you get into the arguements about which come first.

I kept my own name and I also don't use Mrs. I'm quite happy with Ms.

After 21 years it still really annoys me when people assume that I took OH surname.”

I didn't say anything about legal, I said traditional.

The lgalities of changing one's name, I have personally dealt with. However, it is undeniably traditional to change the name of the bride once married.
SciFiGuy_UK
17-09-2010
Originally Posted by outside:
“How are things in the 19th Century? ”

Witchfinding is up 20%
Hobbes30
17-09-2010
I'm hoping Rory takes Amy's name as there has to be at least one revisiting of "Come along Ponds" in the next 13 episodes or I will sulk.
sebbie3000
17-09-2010
Originally Posted by Hobbes30:
“I'm hoping Rory takes Amy's name as there has to be at least one revisiting of "Come along Ponds" in the next 13 episodes or I will sulk.”

It doesn't really matter if he does (as I explained above it is unlikely that he has), but with the Doctor being as he is, and Amy being as she is, and Rory being as he is... There will most probably be a 'come along, Ponds' quite regularly.
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