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If you could replace one series of 'Nu-Who'...
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Abomination
17-09-2010
So, sorry about the vague title, I didn't know how to sum up the following...

You can change one series of Nu-Who as much as you want, do anything you want to it as long as it doesn't impact the continuity/storyline of other series too greatly.

What series would you change? How would you change it? And why?

Muttley76
17-09-2010
series 2 - i would make it so that Rose wasn't an annoying little brat that I couldn't wait to see the back of by series end.
dalekaddison
17-09-2010
Originally Posted by Muttley76:
“series 2 - i would make it so that Rose wasn't an annoying little brat that I couldn't wait to see the back of by series end.”

Here Here!
CoalHillJanitor
17-09-2010
I would have Series 2 torn out and replaced by a new heating and air conditioning system.
Muttley76
17-09-2010
Originally Posted by CoalHillJanitor:
“I would have Series 2 torn out and replaced by a new heating and air conditioning system. ”

how about some comfy chairs?
lach doch mal
17-09-2010
I think for me parts of series two, although some parts of series three as well
leosw4
17-09-2010
I would'nt.

The show is where it is at now (whether you love it or hate) because of everything, since 1963, that has gone before.

I used to think if I ever was showrunnerI would take everything back to Shada and wipe the whole of the JNT era from existence. This was before the McGann movie and nu who.

Its not that I dont like Davidson or Colin B, I just think there talents where woefully underused(as Big Finish has now proved) and some of the casting choices for companions and guests still make me choke on my diet coke everytime I think about it.I did'nt watch McCoy.

However, we are where we are at, and Matts doc is a result of that-Matt being marvellous.

If there was one thing I had to change, then it be would removing The Time War backstory or the silly Dalek comeback/wipout stories (Parting excluded-things went seriously wrong after this Dalek-wise. Apart from the Cult of Skaro, which was a missed opportunity if ever there was one). Oh and scrapping the alternative Cybs.
tingramretro
17-09-2010
Originally Posted by Muttley76:
“series 2 - i would make it so that Rose wasn't an annoying little brat that I couldn't wait to see the back of by series end.”

Likewise. But could I negotiate including the third and fourth series', too?
daveyboy7472
17-09-2010
Someone's got to say it, so it might as well be me.....

Series 5 for reasons I've mentioned too many times, though I'd never change any of the main three chracters.

Abomination
17-09-2010
Originally Posted by tingramretro:
“Likewise. But could I negotiate including the third and fourth series', too?”

Yes yes! By all means, just point out which series you think needs the biggest change of all, if any in particular.

As for myself, I think that Series 3 needed the biggest change. Martha was a great character, but her unrequited love story dragged a bit. It only really worked in the Human Nature two-parter and the finale. I always used to think that I would have had Donna for Series 3 and 4, with Martha being one of those occasional faces the Doctor would see on his visits back to London (so quite occasionally then ) However, I now think that Donna's story was so effective because she was introduced a year before her main series. It made her loss even more tragic and meaningful,and meant that her introduction in Partners in Crime was less formulaic. Thats my two pennies.
wildbill_hicock
17-09-2010
can I have the five specials?
Abomination
17-09-2010
Originally Posted by wildbill_hicock:
“can I have the five specials?”

Yes, and I'd change these too actually. More so than Series 3. Especially The End of Time and The Next Doctor, they made me grumpy
wildbill_hicock
17-09-2010
Originally Posted by Abomination:
“Yes, and I'd change these too actually. More so than Series 3. Especially The End of Time and The Next Doctor, they made me grumpy ”

if you consider them as a series, they are easily the least accomplished of nu-who.
Abomination
17-09-2010
Originally Posted by wildbill_hicock:
“if you consider them as a series, they are easily the least accomplished of nu-who.”

^^ this

The Next Doctor started off well, but got all gloomy and serious before becoming downright daft by the end.

Planet of the Dead was essentially a high-budget filler episode and though passable, was not what was needed to keep anticipation high, despite no new episodes for an extended period of time.

The Waters of Mars was the best of the bunch, but suffered from some corny moments here and there (zombies running down a corridor?!) and the consequences were never fully explored....

....to make way for the mess that was TEOT:P1. An absolute mess of an episode that was quite nonsensical and borderline dull. My family don't watch Dr Who, and this was all the reasons why bagged into one hour. Even I didn't like it, and it ranks second least favourite episode of all after Love and Monsters...even that had some moments that outshone this.

TEOT:P2 was better but too Vinvocci. These cactuses were unnecessary and slowed down what could have been a great finale. Unexplained, and for a while uninteresting, with too fast a resolution. Although I did like the sentimentality at the end.

2009 specials suffered an overall identity crisis.

I would have linked the stories more closely together, perhaps moving Planet of the Dead back to the summer as well so it was closer to Waters of Mars rather than the standalone that it was.
wildbill_hicock
17-09-2010
Originally Posted by Abomination:
“^^ this

The Next Doctor started off well, but got all gloomy and serious before becoming downright daft by the end.

Planet of the Dead was essentially a high-budget filler episode and though passable, was not what was needed to keep anticipation high, despite no new episodes for an extended period of time.

The Waters of Mars was the best of the bunch, but suffered from some corny moments here and there (zombies running down a corridor?!) and the consequences were never fully explored....

....to make way for the mess that was TEOT:P1. An absolute mess of an episode that was quite nonsensical and borderline dull. My family don't watch Dr Who, and this was all the reasons why bagged into one hour. Even I didn't like it, and it ranks second least favourite episode of all after Love and Monsters...even that had some moments that outshone this.

TEOT:P2 was better but too Vinvocci. These cactuses were unnecessary and slowed down what could have been a great finale. Unexplained, and for a while uninteresting, with too fast a resolution. Although I did like the sentimentality at the end.

2009 specials suffered an overall identity crisis.

I would have linked the stories more closely together, perhaps moving Planet of the Dead back to the summer as well so it was closer to Waters of Mars rather than the standalone that it was. ”

The wall-e rip off!

I think the best bits were the scope provided by shooting in dubai, and the location shooting in the greenhouses for waters of mars looked brilliant. I also quite enjoyed David Morrisseys performance in the next doctor. You're right about The end of time, it was just a complete mess, the plot was completely unstructured, rather just a series of bonkers set pieces barely related to each other. I did enjoy the last 10/15 minutes though, even if it was one of the most deliberately sentimental pieces of tv I've ever seen. I do have a bit of a mawkish streak though.
TVCriticAmy
17-09-2010
Series 3 - I'd put Billie in it too. And I'd put her in Series 5. Plus, I'd never let her leave! I'd get rid of the 'Love and Monsters' and 'Fear Her' from Series 2, and I'd have Yvonne Hartman recurring in following series' from 'Doomsday'.
tingramretro
17-09-2010
Originally Posted by Abomination:
“Yes yes! By all means, just point out which series you think needs the biggest change of all, if any in particular. ”

Aside from series 2? That would be series three, which could have benefited from the removal of the most wooden actress on British TV. seriously; it's more difficult to judge when she's up against the master of overacting that is Tennant, but put Freema in a more toned down and serious setting like Torchwood series 2, and it's just embarrassing how outclassed she is by the rest of the cast. Then again, as a character, Martha may have been bland but she was less irritating than the loud, abrasive and common as muck Donna, who is the kind of person I cross the street to avoid...

Originally Posted by wildbill_hicock:
“can I have the five specials?”

Only if you promise never to bring them back.
lach doch mal
17-09-2010
Originally Posted by tingramretro:
“Aside from series 2? That would be series three, which could have benefited from the removal of the most wooden actress on British TV. seriously; it's more difficult to judge when she's up against the master of overacting that is Tennant, but put Freema in a more toned down and serious setting like Torchwood series 2, and it's just embarrassing how outclassed she is by the rest of the cast. Then again, as a character, Martha may have been bland but she was less irritating than the loud, abrasive and common as muck Donna, who is the kind of person I cross the street to avoid...


Only if you promise never to bring them back.”

What astounds me is that you would complain about anyone saying the same about Amy. Next time you give people a hard time about that, I might just quote this post of yours.
tingramretro
17-09-2010
Originally Posted by lach doch mal:
“What astounds me is that you would complain about anyone saying the same about Amy. Next time you give people a hard time about that, I might just quote this post of yours.”

Amy may be feisty, but at least she ain't fick, knowhatImean?
lach doch mal
17-09-2010
Originally Posted by tingramretro:
“Amy may be feisty, but at least she ain't fick, knowhatImean?”

No I don't. Donna might have had a strong London or Southeast accent, but I don't judge people's intelligence by their accents. She still solved some of the Doctor's problems as did Amy. I can understand that you didn't take to Donna or Martha's characters (Martha was certainly not my favourite and I think Freema's acting leaves a lot to be desired), but no need to be so offensive. People like different things, Amy wasn't to everyone taste (I know that meant that people were just jealous of her good looks; and Donna isn't to everyones taste). I'm just trying to show that what you feel about Amy, other people might feel about Donna.
Muttley76
17-09-2010
Originally Posted by lach doch mal:
“No I don't. Donna might have had a strong London or Southeast accent, but I don't judge people's intelligence by their accents. She still solved some of the Doctor's problems as did Amy. I can understand that you didn't take to Donna or Martha's characters (Martha was certainly not my favourite and I think Freema's acting leaves a lot to be desired), but no need to be so offensive. People like different things, Amy wasn't to everyone taste (I know that meant that people were just jealous of her good looks; and Donna isn't to everyones taste). I'm just trying to show that what you feel about Amy, other people might feel about Donna.”

I like Amy a lot, but the reality is that Donna is a godess who reigns over all the other lovely ladies to have grace nu who with their presence....and if she "fick" then I am the pope!
Eaglestriker
17-09-2010
Originally Posted by Muttley76:
“I like Amy a lot, but the reality is that Donna is a godess who reigns over all the other lovely ladies to have grace nu who with their presence....and if she "fick" then I am the pope!”

I loved Donna, and I'd like to think that one of the morals of Donna's story is that you mustn't judge a book by its cover. In the opening scenes of The Runaway Bride, Donna was probably the last type of woman on Earth the Doctor would want on the TARDIS. Skip to the climax of 'Journey's End', she's the same woman but The Doc describes her as briefly being "the most important woman in the whole-wide universe". Davies wrote her story beautifully, I think - except her reappearance in The End of Time, whilst nice, kinda dampened it a bit. Glad she's a millionairess now, though.

And Ting, 'common as muck'? Really?! You're from Suffolk. You can avoid her "kind" quite easily.

I'd love to know someone like Donna (albeit the wiser, calmer Donna that the Doc made her into after a few eps).
wildbill_hicock
17-09-2010
Originally Posted by Muttley76:
“I like Amy a lot, but the reality is that Donna is a godess who reigns over all the other lovely ladies to have grace nu who with their presence....and if she "fick" then I am the pope!”

I don't see that she was unintelligent either - loud and abrasive (and deliberately so) maybe, but not necessarily stupid.

Your Eminence.
TVCriticAmy
18-09-2010
Originally Posted by wildbill_hicock:
“can I have the five specials?”

Oh I would change all of the specials, well except The End of Time. Well I'd have Billie and Camille in it more, and more flashback of Eccleston, but other than that...

It's so weird...most posts have my name in it (Amy)...it's very odd!
codename_47
18-09-2010
Originally Posted by tingramretro:
“Amy may be feisty, but at least she ain't fick, knowhatImean?”

Donna's arc was one of untapped potential of the underachiever.
She went from "just" (though I don't believe anyone is "just" anything) a supertemp to being part of the most important triumvirate in the universe.
That shows the magic of the Doctor, how he sees through the superficial surface details and into the person's core and allows that person to do that too.

The fact you wrote Donna off as "fick" probably from the moment she appeared on the cliffhanger of Doomsday is suprising from such a long term Doctor Who fan.
The whole "don't judge people by their surface" thing isn't exactly a new message solely used in the new series either.

But hey, the actress portrayed an annoying Chav in a sketch show that became even more annoying when it was quoted by everyone in the street.....why bother giving her a chance eh?

(I'll admit I was seriously not a fan of her Sketch Show, but she was a great performer in the ensemble sketch show Big Train so it was obvious when given someone else's scripts she would do what was required rather than playing the "Am I bothered" teen over 12 episodes, as a lot of people expected...)
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