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If you could replace one series of 'Nu-Who'...
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tingramretro
18-09-2010
Originally Posted by Muttley76:
“I like Amy a lot, but the reality is that Donna is a godess who reigns over all the other lovely ladies to have grace nu who with their presence....and if she "fick" then I am the pope!”

Your Holiness, I didn't realise it was you! We are blessed indeed by your presence (though you sadly have no taste).
smithers3162
18-09-2010
The RTD era was pretty much as perfect as I could hope for (given that in art, nothing can be truly perfect). However, the last series, I would make some changes - get rid of Amy for one, or at least make her infinitely less annoying, and definitely lose that dreadful "shag me Dr" scene. And less main characters "dying" only to be resurrected - once is fine, but I lost count of how many times they used this device. And generally make the whole thing...better!!
Muttley76
18-09-2010
Originally Posted by smithers3162:
“The RTD era was pretty much as perfect as I could hope for (given that in art, nothing can be truly perfect). However, the last series, I would make some changes - get rid of Amy for one, or at least make her infinitely less annoying, and definitely lose that dreadful "shag me Dr" scene. And less main characters "dying" only to be resurrected - once is fine, but I lost count of how many times they used this device. And generally make the whole thing...better!!”

Your maths skills must seriously suck if this is the case!!!
smithers3162
18-09-2010
Originally Posted by Muttley76:
“Your maths skills must seriously suck if this is the case!!! ”

Ok then....think it was 4 times (I suppose 5 if you want to include thinking the Dr had died in TBB, but I'm not including that one)
Topov
18-09-2010
I think I'd probably change one or two things. I'd have Eccleston fail to save Rose from the time vortex at the end of S1. This would have two advantages - firstly, Eccleston for another series, secondly, Rose would die, which would also add to Eccleston's internal torment.

Things would carry on pretty much as is, albeit Roseless, until the end of S3, where Eccleston's Doctor would sacrifice his life to defeat the Master, instead of all that "Doctor! Doctor! DOCTOR!" glowing and floating cobblers. Tennant could then take over for S4, until the cliffhanger at the end of Stolen Earth, where he would get shot by the Dalek and actually regenerate, completely unexpectedly.

Russell T Davies would then have left at the end of the series.
Salford_Who
18-09-2010
I would have made sure that the doctor never came back for Amy, and she never blighted the screen.

In the same series I would have made the cracks consistent, and given the doctor another escape route from the pandorica rather than the pathetic comedy sketch that was shown.
lordo350
18-09-2010
I'd scrap Fear Her and the Idiot's Lantern from series 2, but that's about it. Rose was annoying, but the whole theme of the season was how overconfident her and the Doctor were, making when they are torn apart all the more tragic at the end. I loved everything else about RTD, even if he did go too far sometimes, I thought the End of Time was actually very good. Extremly well acted.
I'd scrap the Silurian two parter in series 5 and not hire Chibnall to write again (sorry but everything was off in these episodes; the charactering, the pacing; they could have slotted the only good bit (Rory's death) onto the end of any episode). But that's it again. Matt Smith is superb as the Doctor. I can't wait to see more.
daveyboy7472
18-09-2010
I'd scrap Love and Monsters from the whole of Who History let alone Series 2 and I also wouldn't have killed of Harriet Jones in Series 4. (Yes, I know you know who she is!)

Salford_Who
18-09-2010
Originally Posted by daveyboy7472:
“I'd scrap Love and Monsters from the whole of Who History let alone Series 2 and I also wouldn't have killed of Harriet Jones in Series 4. (Yes, I know you know who she is!)

”

But is she really dead - we didn't see a body....
daveyboy7472
18-09-2010
Originally Posted by Salford_Who:
“But is she really dead - we didn't see a body....”

Not very likely the Daleks would have missed, but you never know I suppose.....
Residents Fan
18-09-2010
Give Eccleston a second Season as the Doctor.
wizzywick
18-09-2010
Originally Posted by tingramretro:
“Amy may be feisty, but at least she ain't fick, knowhatImean?”

I would consider myself to be the type of person who sees people for their outlook on life, their attitudes and personality. I hang around with people who are all different: some speak "posh" while others speak a little "common". I myself apparently speak with a Berkshire twang and can be a little over excited and loud at parties etc!. A couple of my friends come across as thick when infact they are just normal people who say and do silly things sometimes.

All these people have some great qualities and make life very interesting and conversations varied. They are also generous and well meaning. I enjoy being around them.

Donna, Rose, Martha and Amy are all people I certainly would speak to and all for different reasons. Both RTD and SM have cleverly created companions that virtually everyone can relate to. Of all the companions in Nu-Who, Donna is the one that for me, is the most innocently realistic.
tingramretro
18-09-2010
Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“Donna, Rose, Martha and Amy are all people I certainly would speak to and all for different reasons. Both RTD and SM have cleverly created companions that virtually everyone can relate to. Of all the companions in Nu-Who, Donna is the one that for me, is the most innocently realistic.”

I disagree. Personally, I doubt if I could ever relate to either Rose or Donna or any of their awful ilk. Martha? maybe, if she hadn't been such a poorly acted, poorly scripted, undeveloped cipher...
Eaglestriker
19-09-2010
Originally Posted by tingramretro:
“I disagree. Personally, I doubt if I could ever relate to either Rose or Donna or any of their awful ilk. Martha? maybe, if she hadn't been such a poorly acted, poorly scripted, undeveloped cipher...”

Perhaps you're just a bit picky when it comes to people. I say 'perhaps' - I mean 'obviously'. I say 'just a bit' - I mean 'shockingly'. I say 'picky' - I mean 'boorish'.

What's the point of watching a show like Doctor Who if you can't even take one of its core principals to heart? Judge people on what they do (and what they're capable of doing), who they are and not where they came from!

Mind you, you're only in it just for the spaceships and techno-babble, I suppose
yikes
19-09-2010
Series 5 - Amy Pond and Rory - a disastrous error and hell what a disappointment to find they had not been despatched to a rain forest permanently like Jo Grant in The Green Death .
nyingy
19-09-2010
Originally Posted by tingramretro:
“Personally, I doubt if I could ever relate to either Rose or Donna or any of their awful ilk. .”

I'd like you to outline what, in your view, makes these people (and their 'ilk') awful.

nyingy

PS as a side note, I would suggest that snobbery and stereotyping are pretty awful behaviours.
Salford_Who
19-09-2010
Originally Posted by Eaglestriker:
“Mind you, you're only in it just for the spaceships and techno-babble, I suppose ”

You forget that Ting is also in it for the non-canon spin offs such as the books and audio adventures.
lach doch mal
19-09-2010
Originally Posted by Eaglestriker:
“Perhaps you're just a bit picky when it comes to people. I say 'perhaps' - I mean 'obviously'. I say 'just a bit' - I mean 'shockingly'. I say 'picky' - I mean 'boorish'.

What's the point of watching a show like Doctor Who if you can't even take one of its core principals to heart? Judge people on what they do (and what they're capable of doing), who they are and not where they came from!

Mind you, you're only in it just for the spaceships and techno-babble, I suppose ”

I completely agree with you here, quite shocking how some people think they are so much better than others. Even more strange is that these people are Doctor Who fans who have suffered unfair judgement themselves from people who couldn't associate with Doctor Who fans because they perceived them as boring geeks.

Lessons to be learnt here, methinks!

Originally Posted by nyingy:
“I'd like you to outline what, in your view, makes these people (and their 'ilk') awful.

nyingy

PS as a side note, I would suggest that snobbery and stereotyping are pretty awful behaviours.”

Agree 100%.

Maybe all companions must come from a middle class background to satisfy some people on here. They can have an accent (e.g. Scottish) as long as they are pretty, and still middle class.! Boring! (IMO). RTD had no right to recognise and include working class people in Doctor Who. Well if they had been thieves and thugs that would have been ok, but not as the companion. maybe I should start a working class agenda thread.
outside
19-09-2010
Originally Posted by lach doch mal:
“Maybe all companions must come from a middle class background to satisfy some people on here. They can have an accent (e.g. Scottish) as long as they are pretty, and still middle class.! Boring! (IMO). RTD had no right to recognise and include working class people in Doctor Who. Well if they had been thieves and thugs that would have been ok, but not as the companion. maybe I should start a working class agenda thread.”

I agree with this and other posts. Then again, cloaked behind the anonymity of the internet, we can pretend to be whoever we feel like. Right now, I'm sitting on a throne made of gold and rubies and I think all companions have been rather common compared to my aristocratic lifestyle.

I dare say that the creator of certain companions is more of an issue than the characters themselves.
lach doch mal
19-09-2010
Originally Posted by outside:
“I agree with this and other posts. Then again, cloaked behind the anonymity of the internet, we can pretend to be whoever we feel like. Right now, I'm sitting on a throne made of gold and rubies and I think all companions have been rather common compared to my aristocratic lifestyle.

I dare say that the creator of certain companions is more of an issue than the characters themselves.”

So let me get that straight, you are just pretending to be an arristocrat and rich.

Bit in bold: Agree, if Rose had been created by SM in the last series and Amy had been created by RTD in the second series, I'm sure we would get very different opinions on here.
tingramretro
19-09-2010
Originally Posted by Salford_Who:
“You forget that Ting is also in it for the non-canon spin offs such as the books and audio adventures.”

Not 'non canon'. We've been through this. You can repeat it as often as you like, but there's no evidence to support your assertion.
neel
19-09-2010
I'm rather amused by everyone having a massive go at tingramretro for not liking Donna for not being middle class, when she quite clearly is shown to be from a middle class suburban background.

There is nothing working class about the Nobles, they are as middle class as they come.
tingramretro
19-09-2010
Originally Posted by neel:
“I'm rather amused by everyone having a massive go at tingramretro for not liking Donna for not being middle class, when she quite clearly is shown to be from a middle class suburban background.

There is nothing working class about the Nobles, they are as middle class as they come.”

Yes, they probably are. Which doesn't stop her being loud, abrasive, thick as pig manure and common as the same. She is a walking nightmare.
lach doch mal
19-09-2010
Originally Posted by tingramretro:
“Yes, they probably are. Which doesn't stop her being loud, abrasive, thick as pig manure and common as the same. She is a walking nightmare.”

There is irony in this post.
Salford_Who
19-09-2010
Originally Posted by tingramretro:
“Yes, they probably are. Which doesn't stop her being loud, abrasive, thick as pig manure and common as the same. She is a walking nightmare.”

You completely missed the point of her character.
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