I agree with your choices for pro's except for the first couple, I don't think we know enough about Artem to judge. Totally agree with you about Aliona, she should be in the troupe as her performance with Rav last year was very poor. She spent too much time posing and not enough teaching.

I think losing Matt Cutler was a big mistake. I think he's got real presence/flair, and my mother misses him too.

Really? I find it very cheesy and tacky. I do like it but mainly for the dancing. The Strictly set up is a lot classier.

And while I agree about Anton and Erin, I think a lot of the pros on SCD are excellent.

I don't really care if the shows are "soap studded" or not, I have never heard of most of the people on DWtS either. It doesn't mean anything to me if I know them or not anyway.

In response to anyone who accuses me of daring to spin their words around, can I remind you all I have never said once DO NOT post your feelings on departed pro's to a certain thread, I have merely suggested could we try and keep it in one place is all... It seems very repetitive is all. I have not simply "arrived" and "bossed" everyone around.

I am repeating myself now by saying I suggested a different point of view and would others agree... And got borderline abuse suggesting I'm an idiot for my opinion, I'm
misquoting people, and I'm being bossy... Honestly, I'm here to join in like everybody else. I don't need to be a part of the "gang" to do so.

Aliona, Kristina and Katya to a degree all got duds last year... They're still here. And I'm happy to see it too.

Can I just say ONE LAST time without being misinterpreted I PERSONALLY feel lilia had little to offer that we haven't seen already over 6 series and 3 tours. Same with Darren and Matt is an incredible dancer, but really lacks in the personality dept. And before you all start, I've met him in person too and had a drink in his company to know so.

What I wouldn't give to see Nicole back on the show, but she sort of put the final nail in her own coffin there really.

And likewise if YOU don't like my opinions, YOU don't have to respond to this thread either then do you. Works both ways (that was merely a suggestion, not an order by the way!)

Either way, we're all stuck with the pro's Moira Ross hired. I for one am backing her decisions 99% - I don't like Natalie at all no matter how good she is. Lol

I undertand where PasoH is coming from.

Their opening post didn't tell people not to post opinons, more commented that nearly every thread - no matter what the subject- ended up lamenting the loss of one pro or another.

I have also got the feeling that there is a tendency to believe that if fans complain enough, somehow miraculously, their chosen pro is going to re-appear mid series.

But in the way of DS, the thread ended up being full of "I miss ......." comments!

I think if I was new to a forum I would ease myself into the chat and get to know people. I wouldn't make my debut a lecture to other posters on what they should and should not post. I think that just gets people's back up and sets a confrontational tone from the off.

OP, why not join in the chat and wait until you have been here more than five minutes before telling us all what you think we should and should not post about?

If I want to say how much I miss Matt and Brian I will do and if that offends you then that's just tough!

OP Its not what you say though , its how you say it and that is what gets peoples backs up . Perhaps a Hello and a little chat is a nicer way to arrive .Then maybe make a suggestion rather than a "Enough already " tone
But thats my last word on it now as I am honestly not on DS for a row .
But like stargazer I will post my lament when and where i like too and people can or cannot read it if they wish ..

And for the record I miss Matt and Ian and Lilia etc all .

My original comment was tongue-in-cheek

I think if people think comments on DS are going to influence the producers, they're deluding themselves.

However I disagree that people should not post about the departed pros if they want to. Yes it's annoying if it's completely off topic, or if certain posters respond to every issue with 'well Lilia would have done it better than that'. But the departure of five pros, at least three of whom were extremely popular, is a big shock to the series. If people want to discuss that in relevant contexts, I'm not sure why that is so annoying.

I feel there is some middle ground.

Yes- it's pointless saying "don't mourn the departure of some pros" because we know that on DS, that is guaranteed to increase the frequency of such posts!

But there is a tendency for some posters to shoehorn their grievance about X's departure into any thread possible.

And for the record...

I miss..........











..........the point.

I agree with you Katie. I think this issue right now is that people are keen to start talking about the show and so far there is little to say on the limited footage we have seen of the celebs. So the focus is going to be on the pro dancers. And the absence of much loved favourites. I suspect that once show starts properly most of the discussion on here will be on the performance of the pairings.

Good point.
Maybe we should start a thread titled

Can we get on with it already?

Ist October seems a long way away

Must agree about the choreography for the pro dances, thought they were unimaginative and over-simplyfied, but knowing how popular Matt is, and it was announced he, and I think Karen Hardy, did the choreography, I thought I'd refrain from mentioning it!! [Will now duck......]

I'm not sure you are completely right about the new producer having worked on DWTS. It was said that she went to America when the last series was on to see how things were done on that show, which is not quite the same thing. As so many people complained about scd getting boring last year, the sole purpose of the visit was to get ideas on how to liven the show up. I just wish she had taken more notice of the quality of the presenters .....

I can't quite work out whether this thread is meant to be a wind-up, but I've decided to take the bait anyway.

I'm sorry that Matthew and Ian are no longer in the show. I liked them very much, both as dancers and teachers. If the producers felt it was necessary to replace some of the longer serving pro dancers, I would have much preferred them to get rid of Anton, Brendan or James, all of whom irritate me immensely.

I know this is just my opinion and some people won't agree with it, and that's fine.

But I do object to the tone of this thread which seems to be telling other posters that they have no right to express an opinion, or possibly that their opinions should be confined to specified areas of the forum. Sorry, but that's not the way this works! All of us have a right to say what we like, when we like, where we like, as long as it doesn't break the forum rules, and I'm afraid the OP has no business trying to boss everyone else about. So there!

PasoHardly welcome to the forum. I don't mind change but the way the BBC suits went about it this time was just wrong i.e culling four of the best loved pros on SCD in one fell swoop.
I've said many times it would be good for SCD to lose one male and one female pro after each series insuring we would have two new pros starting each series.

Its all very well having change but there is change for the better and change for the worse . I've seen the majority of programmes ruined by disastrous changes. We will only know after a few weeks whether the changes on SCD have been positive or negative.

That's the actor isn't it. He's on DWTS Gotta take a look. I fancied him in my yoof (well, when I was younger).

Agree strongly with this post, although would have kept Brian rather than bring in Artem ; don't know enough about him, and he doesn't have enough hair, a stupid reason for disliking him , I know.

Again already I haven't once told people I'm right, you're wrong and do as I say... I don't know how many times I need to repeat myself.

BBC didn't not "cut" 4 of the best loved pro's, they simply offered them a reduced role in the series - which 3 of them turned down and hence why they're no longer part of the show at all anymore, though I suspect Claude will have them on ITT frequently.

Its a bit harder to look forward to the new series when your favourite pro (Lilia) isn't in it.

Its an ongoing debate as to what the best way to change the show was.
I thought that Lilia, Darren, Ian and Matt hadn't run out of ideas, but Darren and Lilia in particular had had partners who gave them very limited options. If the pros had been used to their full potential this year, I would have been more content to see them go, but instead, I think there was more quality which remained untapped.
I would have liked to see better pro dances, with the pros in charge of the production, with better sets, lighting and more rehearsal time.

We will have to see how it turns out, but those are the reasons why I still mention those not involved with the celebs this year.

With a very clear idea of what would happen if they did that...

If you look at the link below it says Moira Ross worked as a producer on DWTS in 2006.

http://tv.yahoo.com/moira-ross/contr...234348/credits

I think his personality (or lack of it) is irrelevant; I just think Matt has a Travolta-in-Saturday-Night-Fever-esque presence/swagger on the dance floor that will be much missed in this household.

I agree with your main point about getting over it and not talking about decisions that you disagree with as if they are something that can be changed though. It's pointless.

Just for fun, here's Matt & Alesha's Cha Cha

I don't think its a positive thing that they've gone and I quite like the record that's playing thanks.

I can't stand Kristina and Aliona bores me senseless.

It is very easy to see why Natalie was invited back - she is a fantastic dancer and she did very well last year, despite being a newbie.

I didn't know that - I only knew that she went to States earlier this year for ideas. Mind you, dwts has changed a lot in 4 years - that's 8 series for them, and they change something every series, so it is probably a lot different to when she was there initially.

Of course they didn't cut them - imagine the outcry if they had actually axe the five they picked esp as three of them were past winners so instead give them a 'reduced' role so they jump instead of getting pushed.

Lilia was my favourite female pro dancer, and Matthew my favourite male, so how can I not regret their no longer being around? I'll get over it in my own time, thank you ..