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You stated yourself a few paragraphs earlier its not a good comparison, ITV was inflated that night due to the F1 having 3 men talking from 6:30pm onwards for an hour on BBC1.
Looking at last weekend, too, a fair few viewers haven't come back to Burp this autumn, with both the Saturday screening and the Sunday repeat down quite a bit.
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They have also got two popular lottery shows planned in 2011. In It to Win it will be airing another series in January, whilst Who Dares Wins has been recomissioned and should be airing around April. We will also be seeing the new format Secret Fortune sometime.
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The balance on Saturdays tends to go to BBC One in the first six months as they have Doctor Who, the Six Nations, Casualty and the Andrew Lloyd Webber shows. ITV1 only really does well on Saturdays after July when the X Factor appears.
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Looking at last weekend, too, a fair few viewers haven't come back to Burp this autumn, with both the Saturday screening and the Sunday repeat down quite a bit.
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1) it hasn't been posted in here.
2) it wasn't in the original report at 12:59 otherwise I would have posted it Besides, is The X Factor rating even correct? EDIT - I see you've actually changed it: |
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Good stuff. Hopefully, we'll get the remaining five In It to Win Its of the current series before Christmas.
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I suspect we will do. The problem lies in SCD and the length of their shows. As soon the numbers dwindle to about 6/7 remaining celebs they'll free up the 50 minutes the show will need. They'll probably show the remaining shows from 20th November, five Saturday's before Christmas Day.
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Firstly, very disappointing for the return of The Mentalist on five. I know the last series aired on Friday's too but personally I'd move it back to Thursday where the first series aired. It deserved much more and I was expecting a figure of 2m+.
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Saturday 16th October 2010
ITV1 (inc. ITV1 HD) 19:30 - The X Factor: 11.36m (47.2%) * 19:30 to 19:45 - 8.74m (33.8%) Elsewhere from the biannual Cowell circus, Pillars of the Earth got off to a strong start despite having so much stacked against it scheduling wise. |
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Why are we not getting separate figures?
Good to see ITV promoting ITV2 HD and actually telling viewers what channel number it's on. Why have they never done this with ITV1 HD? Attentional stated that ITV2 HD started BARB reporting separately on 7th October but I don't know who decides when the ratings are publicly published in the overnights. |
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Very poor for casualty, on a par with what the Bill was getting on a Thursday. It really needs to be shortened to 40 episodes maximum a year (though 26 epsiodes January to June is probably more appropriate) and taken off air when X Factor is on. A 2 week break in early September is not long enough for a series to end and then re-begin.
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That's the sort of thing I'm in favor of, except I think the news has to be a minimum of 15minutes due to regulatory reasons. (anyone know if that's true?)
Having said, on a busy news day 10 minutes isn't really long enough for a main bulletin, especially one that includes a sport update. Sooner or later it would cause problems considering MOTD's fixed start. So I think 15 minutes need to be allowed for the late evening news as a minimum and ideally the full 20 minutes it usually gets (last night was rare at 25 minutes) Quote:
Firstly, very disappointing for the return of The Mentalist on five. I know the last series aired on Friday's too but personally I'd move it back to Thursday where the first series aired. It deserved much more and I was expecting a figure of 2m+.
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They have also got two popular lottery shows planned in 2011. In It to Win it will be airing another series in January, whilst Who Dares Wins has been recomissioned and should be airing around April. We will also be seeing the new format Secret Fortune sometime.
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Again, where the ads are placed makes a difference in the XF ratings breakdown. When it was over 12m it never had more than 2 or 3 minutes of ads. Whereas after 9pm every section had 4 minutes. But there definitely does seem to be some sort of dip around 9pm, though telling exactly how much it is difficult from 15 minute blocks. The difference with last week is that it seems to have held up better through the final hour.
I think one of the problems with the 16 acts is not just the running time but there are so many of them - I keep forgetting that Paije, Storm and John actually exist. It's a failed experiment, IMO. The whole wildcard thing was horribly executed. If ITV want extra time out of the show, look at bootcamp, judges houses and the auditions and tack on 15 minutes here and there. XF US will definitely not have any more than 12 acts anyway - so it's not a trial for that. |
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I think its a shame Casualty its getting low ratings, this "series" has been really quite good, its loads better than last "series".
I dare say Casualty a bit like The Bill is one of those shows that are just there, and people dont always recongise when its having a good year, becasue its on so often. |
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Problem with Thursday is though is that the Europa League would mean frequent weeks off
Thursday nights on Five could have been huge all year round with Europe League & all new Mentalist. |
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Pillars of the Earth got off to a strong start despite having so much stacked against it scheduling wise. |
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Takeout EastEnders ,SCD and the Little Casualty scene and TV Burp was one big ITV promotion show:yawn:
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Takeout EastEnders ,SCD and the Little Casualty scene and TV Burp was one big ITV promotion show:yawn:
I had never really seen Christine Bleakley before, isn`t she ugly? What´s all the fuss about? |
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There was a fair amount from The Apprentice, Nigella Lawson and the 'fight' was based on a BBC3 programme!!
I had never really seen Christine Bleakley before, isn`t she ugly? What´s all the fuss about? Not my Cup of Tea if you get my drift ![]() I forgot about The Apprentice and Nigella
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I actually think that moving Casualty to Friday at 9pm is a really good idea.
Due to the number of pre watershed dramas BBC One currently have, weekdays at 9pm look a bit bare drama wise. You have a situation where they have 9pm dramas friday to Monday (2 Saturday), then none tuesday to thursday (just the occational drama on Tuesday). By having Casualty fridays, they can move the friday dramas to Tuesday or Wednesday at 9pm. This would stop the weeknights at 9pm feeling so drama light. Thus weekday nights BBC at 9pm would be Two drama series night (eg Spooks, New Tricks, Waking the dead etc). Casualty one night. One night of comedy and panel shows. One edutainment night (Apprentice, Who do you think you are etc). |
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Very strong for SCD last night-after recognising the faults in the last series, things have been done to make sure this series is talked about and the strong series seems to be hurting Harry Hill's hour which is a shame, because TV Burp inparticular is still as fantastic as ever. But 5m against one of BBC1's biggest shows isn't to be sniffed at and provides a good lead in to XF.
Not particuarly good for Casualty. It timeshifts excellently and not much else would perform better in that slot against XF/BGT, but I still think it's a waste for a good show. I keep thinking Fridays at 9pm might work, but then again it would considerably weaken the Saturday night schedule in the months when SCD/DW are absent. But viewers will stop watching eventually and when XF finishes I doubt they'll all return. Excellent start for Pillars Of The Earth imo considering the doomed slot and the competition. If only it had been scheduled in another slot and CH4 could have a big hit on their hands for once. It seemed to hurt the crime drama repeats on FIVE, with those drama viewers transferring to CH4. |
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Intersting article about NBCs fortunes
http://www.deadline.com/2010/10/nbcs...on-in-the-hour I will say, I could see NBCs "School Pride" being one of those C4 shows that gets a US remake on ABC. |
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Not particuarly good for Casualty. It timeshifts excellently and not much else would perform better in that slot against XF/BGT, but I still think it's a waste for a good show. I keep thinking Fridays at 9pm might work, but then again it would considerably weaken the Saturday night schedule in the months when SCD/DW are absent. But viewers will stop watching eventually and when XF finishes I doubt they'll all return.
With BBC1 struggling to find successful Saturday night dramas Casualty moved back to Saturdays (and the Beeb got into trouble for screening episodes designed for a post-watershed slot in a pre-watershed slot - the move back to saturdays was a late decision). Originally Casualty would only run for the 16 weeks of Autumn, but with the BBC still struggling to find other successful saturday night dramas it gradually got expanded to run up to Easter or thereabouts. If Casualty moved back to Friday what could they replace it with? The BBC have tended to sacrifice the lottery shows, In It To Win It and Who Dares Wins, up against ITV's 2 big variety shows and they've taken a respectable 4m. Or maybe they could double the commission for Antiques Roadshow and run it on a Saturday as well. Antiques Roadshow on a Saturday? Would that work?
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Can I do the Casualty on life support gag now?
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Saturday 16th October 2010
BBC One 18:00 - Strictly Come Dancing: * 19:30 to 19:45 - 9.90m (37.5%) ITV1 (inc. ITV1 HD) 19:30 - The X Factor: * 19:30 to 19:45 - 8.74m (33.8%) Only on the DS Ratings Thread. ![]() Yes, perhaps not that unpredictable (although I doubt it would have happened last year). What must be a concern to ITV-Cowell is that there was no sizeable uplift when Merlin finished - so even though Casualty is tanking, TXF isn't really gaining huge viewers from BBC1. And people are clearly just drifting away from the enormously bloated 2.5hr TXF megathons. Quite a drop, again, as the show enters the last hour/last half hour. As for Casualty, i've been saying for 2 years that the show needs to lose at least a third of its run, and start on SCD Final Saturday, running through to July. When it's on and people aren't watching it, they get out of the habit. That said, I think the Beeb killed Casualty when they turned it into a year round soap rather than a popular drama serial about random punters having accidents. There must be a fear that it's simply run its natural course. (Although Holby City - a spin-off soap from day 1 - seems to go from strength to strength) Quote:
Lottery formats aside Ive got a hunch that the new controller of BBC1 will want to be seen to make a big impression -arguably more so than if the job had been given to someone already established in their forties or fifties. It will be interesting as its hard to see anything other than apeing XF and harder still to see anything replacing talent/reality formats as big hitters.
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You'd be better off doing a "Simon Cowell on life support when he saw the following" gag...
![]() The morning after "the night SCD and TXF went head-to-head for the first time this season and Strictly WON" and we're all talking about Casualty's future... Only on the DS Ratings Thread. ![]() Yes, perhaps not that unpredictable (although I doubt it would have happened last year). What must be a concern to ITV-Cowell is that there was no sizeable uplift when Merlin finished - so even though Casualty is tanking, TXF isn't really gaining huge viewers from BBC1. And people are clearly just drifting away from the enormously bloated 2.5hr TXF megathons. Quite a drop, again, as the show enters the last hour/last half hour. There was never going to be a massive upshift after Merlin finished - the two shows appeal to different audiences, hence The X Factor can record record ratings and Merlin can perform admirably. I agree with you on the marathon - it is sending people away and it is a ridiculous length when adverts are included. Take out the adverts, and last week's X Factor was only 2 minutes longer than last week's Strictly. Quote:
As for Casualty, i've been saying for 2 years that the show needs to lose at least a third of its run, and start on SCD Final Saturday, running through to July. When it's on and people aren't watching it, they get out of the habit.
That said, I think the Beeb killed Casualty when they turned it into a year round soap rather than a popular drama serial about random punters having accidents. There must be a fear that it's simply run its natural course. (Although Holby City - a spin-off soap from day 1 - seems to go from strength to strength) |
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