Anything for last nights Emmerdale?

It's because (minor spoiler)



I think the schedule is OK, 7:05pm is fine in October and there isn't much point in pushing Piers back to 10pm just to start X Factor at 8pm.

What it does suggest to me is that they may be planning to run the live shows from 7pm to 9pm on Saturdays, which I hope doesn't happen as it means shows like TV Burp get forced nearly outside of primetime.

7.30 would be perfect:-

6:45pm All Star Family Fortunes
7:30pm The X Factor
9:30pm When Piers Met...
10:30pm The Late News

I'm pretty sure they'll have the live shows starting at 8pm (or 7.30pm at the absolute earliest) because Strictly Come Dancing's live shows will be longer from the following week. That Saturday it's only 7 couples dancing which will take 65 minutes. The following week, with 13 couples, it'll be more around 90 minutes and I doubt ITV will want The X Factor to clash against the last bit of that.

Would someone be able to repost the list of US TV shows and there season or series premiere dates ? the list was posted a few threads back and i cant see to find it.
Thanks.

Well the two shows clashed last year with TXF coming out at the apex everytime. But I guess they was always going to clash to some degree, as the BBC made SCD one show (main show+results) that lasted a lifetime as I recall.

Yeah you never know with ITV. If common sense prevails (and that's a big if, with ITV), they'll stick to last years winning formula. I mean look what they did with BGT this year. The scheduling was ridiculous and resulted in some pretty average ratings in BGT style numbers.

Just slightly veering off the subject for a minute, there are reports saying Amanda has confirmed BGT will air in X Factors slot next year. Shes hinted that Simon & Piers aren't going to be there. Now, if BGT does air from August-December in X Factors slot (they're changing the format), what does this mean for I'm a Celebrity? By November the live shows will be well underway and I'm a Celeb will also have to undergo changes because Ant & Dec will have to quit one of the shows.

http://www.metro.co.uk/tv/841618-ama...nt-judge-again

How do people think Seven Days will do for Channel 4 tonight? There's been a few articles about it in the press today, and C4 have been pushing it quite heavily with on-air promos and billboards.

I expect it to rate similar to The Family, so starting off around 2.5-2.8m, but eventally settling down to around 2m.

I really don't see the point of moving BGT to Autumn if Simon Cowell isn't going to be involved with it. If Cowell can't be involved with one show, why don't they just keep the scheduling for BGT and TXF as it is, so he misses TXF. Because like you mention, moving BGT to Autumn and having weekly live shows would cause problems for other shows like I'm a Celebrity (due to Ant & Dec) and there'd be a massive gap in the Spring schedule.

I still prefer the idea of having BGT and TXF scheduled as it currently is, but phasing Cowell out during the middle of TXF and introducing a new judge mid-run.

But there are ways of having a full series of both BGT & TXF on air next year with Cowell judging in both shows: It would have to mean an early return for The X Factor in mid-March. Auditions would be in March and April, with live shows in June and July. And BGT could return in mid-October in its current format with the pre-recorded auditions for 7 Saturdays, bootcamp/judge's cut for 1 Saturday and the live shows stripped across a week in mid-December. This would probably fit in with Cowell's US commitments as I think the X Factor USA would be over before mid-December.

ITV are so dependent on a few shows to boost their advertising revenue, that I dunno how they are going to cope without TXF next year if the reports of it being delayed till 2012 are true. Because not only does it get big figures but it has a glow-effect on other programmes around it which perform better than they would usually. It doesn't seem like they're commissioning more drama to boost the weeknight schedules (to compensate for a loss in the weekend schedule), nor do I think an Andrew Lloyd Webber show would be a good idea as he was only getting ~5m for his last series iirc (with a Doctor Who lead-in) and being on ITV will instantly knock off a certain % of that audience.


I think it'll launch with about 2.5m which would be a little down to how The Family launched a couple of years ago (3.0m).

Edit: Just realised it's not stripped across a week which is a shame as I think it could've been a grower with that sort of format.

How are the AI''s actually recorded?


Running weekly isn't a good idea at all - I'd have run this series over 8 episodes, then pushed it up to around 12 for future series.

EDIT: Seems it'll run from 5th October for five days, then for two further weeks on Fridays and Saturdays - I guess hoping for people to switch over after TXF on Saturdays, though knowing C4 they might be stupid enough to schedule it head to head.


Good point. Also if Simon and Piers are going regardless of what you think of Amanda I think they're much better off going for a brand new panel rather than a panel with two new judges.

Also think the show would lose a lot if it airs weekly - having it stripped across the week makes the live shows such an event, and I think some of that will be lost with this change - unless they keep is simple and basically run it Sept/Oct, with live shows over October half term. Then hopefully The X Factor auditions can begin in November for the live shows to follow in January.


Quite badly I reckon. Can't see it appealing to the Big Brother fan, can't see it appealing to the BB hater. It might get a cult following, but I think it'll be in a similar sub-2m territory to The Family.

Isn't the whole point of X Factor's studio shows to drive album sales in the run up to Christmas, for the previous year's contestants and the guest recording artists?

No one buys albums in the first quarter of the year.

Well, not very many people, anyway.

Probably right. Based on what I've read about it I can't say I'm all that keen but I'll give it a go tonight.

Apparently C4 have an option on immediately extending the series beyond its initial 8 episodes if it takes off but I can't see it happening myself.

And one of the participants already auditioned for Big Brother. Doesn't bode well.

You'd be surpised
Depending on who's released their album.

Any song that gets played on the X factor people buy anyway even if it's shit
They could have someone going blah,blah,blah for 3 mintues and it would end up number 1 on I tunes.

I think the best course of action is to have 2 series of BGT next year- one in its usual slot with the current judging panel, with a revamped show in X Factors slot but still the same format. They could have it over and done with by The Royal Variety Show and would be able to boost the figures for that (if its on ITV this year) because momentum wouldn't have burnt off as it usually does.

I think they could benefit from moving I'm a Celebrity to January to fill the Celebrity Big Brother void and minimise Ant & Dec overkill, Dancing on ice could air November/December-January and X Factor back in February. There is going to be a huge upset with the inevitable rearranging of ITV's reality shows and the transition period is going to be very tricky.

ITV are in a lose-lose situation next year. They either have to decide whether to not bother airing BGT in the spring and face a huge hole in the schedules and profits, or air 2 series and face overkill. The other option could be to, as already said, air X Factor again in the spring which could lead into more overkill.


A BB9 contestant is featured in it (Rex).

I don't think TXF again in the Spring would be too bad. Obviously it's 5 months sooner than normal but BGT would be 6 months later than normal so overall it sort of balances out, and there'd be no additional episodes of either show within the space of that calendar year.

Both Strictly and IAC have had 2 series within 6 months of each other in the past and the transition went quite smoothly. I would rather have 1 series each of TXF/BGT next year than 2 of BGT which really would be overkill for it IMO.

As for DOI in the Autumn, I think it'd be dented by Strictly Come Dancing due to having similar concepts and probably similar audiences (both older ones) and don't think it'd really work. DOI in Winter benefits from relatively weak competition and really needs to stay as close to that as possible, with Spring being the next best option.

I think BGT in Sept/Oct is quite a good idea. Run audition shows on Saturdays for 6 weeks . Then have a Saturday/Sunday 'boot camp' type show followed by a stripped week of live shows. Then come November have X Factor auditions on Saturdays, with IAC having a live trial on a sunday so going for one hour 7-8 and then 9-10 with a drama running in between e.g. Wild at Heart. Then live shows starting in January for 10 weeks. All wrapped up for mid-march and then run Dancing on Ice straight after but for a shorter run of say 8 weeks meaning it is all over by mid-may by which time it will be light again outside.

The issue with that is that when SCD had two series within 6 months it was a much smaller show, whilst the shortest gap between series of IAC is 10 months. I think X Factor would be dented quite severely by running two series in such a short space of time. ITV are very much in a lose-lose situation here, but thinking about it I think the best way forward would be:

Britain's Got Talent: 11 weeks, July-September, Saturdays and Sundays. 4 weeks of auditions, 1 week of 'bootcamp', 5 weeks of semi-finals and a final.

I'm A Celebrity: 3 weeks, October. Saturday and Sunday editions beefed up to 90 mins, with live trials on Saturdays at 8/8:30pm

The X Factor: 16 weeks, November-March. Normal length, but audition shows doubled up across the weekend so 2 extra episodes (maybe cut them to 60 mins to make up for it).

OK, it isn't ideal but frankly I can't think of anything much better. DOI 2012 would either move to the Spring or midweek. There would be 2 weeks between IAC and The X Factor, one of which could be used for The World's Got Talent which could be filmed in the US so Cowell could take part. They could show a movie premiere on the other. This also allows Cowell to take part in both shows.

You can say that again! Whatever they do, at least one of their shows will probably decline in the ratings due to the scheduling changes.

I quite like your ideas though as it means neither show is fully delayed until 2012. The only thing is: would BGT's ratings be lower due to airing in summer in a weekly format and what would replace it in the Spring of 2011?

I think we might get some info tomorrow about what's happening with BGT/TXF as the Broadcast Entertainment Forum is taking place so I'd imagine a reporter from Broadcast Magazine might ask Elaine Bedell (ITV's entertainment commissioner) about the situation.

Some extraordinary scores in the Carling Cup tonight. BSkyB picked the most one-sided fixture of them all!

Oh, this is too complicated.

Just sign up John Culshaw to do his Simon impression and everything can carry on as normal.

Yep, at least one of ITV's big shows will suffer, and I think the one most likely to suffer, and probably the one ITV would choose to decline (if one of them had to) is Dancing on Ice. If it moves to Spring then a million could probably be shaved off its ratings (although it could be offset by the results shows holding steady if they split it across the weekend). They could shift it to a midweek slot and keep it in the Winter or even move it to the Autumn in the midweek slot but I'm not sure that would benefit them much, as 7m is still an excellent rating at the weekend in the Spring (or any time of year tbh).

I can't see BGT's ratings being affected too much by moving to late-Summer as opposed to Spring/early-Summer as if anything the weather is better where it airs at the moment, and the final couple of weeks would benefit from the September slot. They could also do a 2 night, 4 hour final weekend a la X Factor which would boost their advertising revenue.

As for Spring 2011, I don't think they'd benefit much by trying to replace BGT as the slot will only be open for one year if DOI shifts there in 2012. Tbh I think they'd be better off just pressing on with standard entertainment shows (All Star gameshows, Take Me Out, Popstar To Operastar etc) and just riding it out. Ideally they'd get Ant and Dec to do something which providing they get a decent format could get 6m+ which would be great, and it could run alongside DOI in 2012. I guess BGT could start a couple of weeks sooner and run for an extra couple of weeks on top of the extension I suggested earlier but I don't think they should extend it too much.

I hope we get some more information tomorrow; Cowell said on Radio 2 two weeks ago that they were very close to announcing a new long-term deal with ITV so a formal announcement can't be far off.

As for Bedell, I liked what she said about comedy today, and I think commissioning 45 minute sitcoms to air after the Cowell shows on Saturdays and expanding them to 60 mins for future series could really work. ITV's 45 minute shows run for about 32-34 mins generally so it's very close to the BBC's half hour sitcoms, and once it's established the extended running time for future series would allow the characters to be fleshed out more. Hopefully that Caroline Aherne sitcom comes to fruition as I'm sure it'd do well after X Factor and ITV really need more comedy. If they can get 2 new sitcoms on next year and one of them takes off then it's a start. More panel/stand up shows are needed and I thought it was interesting that she mentioned new ways of doing animated Sunday night topical comedy. Looks like Headcases has been abandoned then but the idea hasn't been totally ditched.

Reading between the lines of what she said, it sounds like there will definitely be some sort of Cowell show on next Autumn, and this sort of schedule in late-Autumn (going on the suggestions I made earlier) could do very well for them:

19:00 You've Been Framed
19:30 Harry Hill's TV Burp
20:00 The X Factor
21:00 Caroline Aherne sitcom
21:45 Jonathan Ross Live

If they're clever (and I have serious reservations about that!), ITV could actually turn this negative situation into a positive one and get a few new hits from it.

What's so extraordinary about them? Liverpool Reserves drawing at home to Northampton Town. Manchester City Reserves losing to West Brom. Chelsea Reserves losing at home to Newcastle.

Lazy little sh1ts. Paid all that money and they can't be ar5ed to play more than once a week.

And shows how rubbish Scunthorpe are when they get cuffed at home to Manchester United Reserves. Unless Scunthorpe are playing their reserve team as well.

No wonder BBC1 have stuck their highlights programme on at 11.30.

The League Cup. Why?