I see The X Factor have done the same as last year with Bootcamp and ended up with the main part awkwardly split over two nights. It could probably do with being split over three shows really, with the first part of bootcamp in the first then the individual performances in show two and three.
The Ratings Thread (Part 12)
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It'll be fascinating to see the numbers for the AFL Grand Final tomorrow. The big match, this year featuring St Kilda and Collingwood, ended in a tie for the first time in 33 years! This means, as per AFL rules, there will be a rematch next week.
Seven aired coverage today and will do so again next week. It would not be possible for Ten to cover next weekend's game as their resources will be tied up with the Commonwealth Games.
In the event that next week's game also ends in a draw, it will go to extra time.
Note: Ten's coverage of the 2009 final between St Kilda and Geelong averaged 2.7 million viewers, 1.43m of which came from Melbourne alone.
Seven aired coverage today and will do so again next week. It would not be possible for Ten to cover next weekend's game as their resources will be tied up with the Commonwealth Games.
In the event that next week's game also ends in a draw, it will go to extra time.
Note: Ten's coverage of the 2009 final between St Kilda and Geelong averaged 2.7 million viewers, 1.43m of which came from Melbourne alone.
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“It'll be fascinating to see the numbers for the AFL Grand Final tomorrow. The big match, this year featuring St Kilda and Collingwood, ended in a tie for the first time in 33 years! This means, as per AFL rules, there will be a rematch next week.”
“It'll be fascinating to see the numbers for the AFL Grand Final tomorrow. The big match, this year featuring St Kilda and Collingwood, ended in a tie for the first time in 33 years! This means, as per AFL rules, there will be a rematch next week.”
Good job they don't do that with things like the FA Cup and Champions League, hey?
EDIT: Just spotted this on Twitter:
3AWisfootball
Caroline Wilson has broken the news that Ch 7 have applied to stage the Grand Final at night. AFL is considering it. #AFLGF
about 13 hours ago via web
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“Good job they don't do that with things like the FA Cup and Champions League, hey?
EDIT: Just spotted this on Twitter:
3AWisfootball
Caroline Wilson has broken the news that Ch 7 have applied to stage the Grand Final at night. AFL is considering it. #AFLGF
about 13 hours ago via web”
“Good job they don't do that with things like the FA Cup and Champions League, hey?
EDIT: Just spotted this on Twitter:
3AWisfootball
Caroline Wilson has broken the news that Ch 7 have applied to stage the Grand Final at night. AFL is considering it. #AFLGF
about 13 hours ago via web”
Interesting. I'm not sure if a night match would be a major benefit or not. People are used to it being played in the day, and I doubt it's going to affect in a big way whether people watch or not. Maybe it's just more practical for Seven for whatever reason.
um,. can I just ask, what if this AFL final ends in a draw? do they just keep playing more and more games, until one is won?
seriously has the AFL not heard of "extra time" "golden extra time" or "golden goal"
seriously has the AFL not heard of "extra time" "golden extra time" or "golden goal"
Originally Posted by Charnham:
“um,. can I just ask, what if this AFL final ends in a draw? do they just keep playing more and more games, until one is won?
seriously has the AFL not heard of "extra time" "golden extra time" or "golden goal"”
“um,. can I just ask, what if this AFL final ends in a draw? do they just keep playing more and more games, until one is won?
seriously has the AFL not heard of "extra time" "golden extra time" or "golden goal"”
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“It'll be fascinating to see the numbers for the AFL Grand Final tomorrow. The big match, this year featuring St Kilda and Collingwood, ended in a tie for the first time in 33 years! This means, as per AFL rules, there will be a rematch next week.
Seven aired coverage today and will do so again next week. It would not be possible for Ten to cover next weekend's game as their resources will be tied up with the Commonwealth Games.
In the event that next week's game also ends in a draw, it will go to extra time.
Note: Ten's coverage of the 2009 final between St Kilda and Geelong averaged 2.7 million viewers, 1.43m of which came from Melbourne alone.”
“It'll be fascinating to see the numbers for the AFL Grand Final tomorrow. The big match, this year featuring St Kilda and Collingwood, ended in a tie for the first time in 33 years! This means, as per AFL rules, there will be a rematch next week.
Seven aired coverage today and will do so again next week. It would not be possible for Ten to cover next weekend's game as their resources will be tied up with the Commonwealth Games.
In the event that next week's game also ends in a draw, it will go to extra time.
Note: Ten's coverage of the 2009 final between St Kilda and Geelong averaged 2.7 million viewers, 1.43m of which came from Melbourne alone.”
Already answered
Originally Posted by C14E:
“US Ratings - Premiere Friday
CBS:
8pm – Medium – 6.12m (1.4)
* Down 33% from 2009 season premiere
* Down 39% from Ghost Whisperer in same slot
9pm – CSI: NY – 10.28m (2.0)
* Down 50% among A18-49 vs Wednesday 09 premiere
* Down 29% among total viewers vs 2009 premiere
* Down 5% from Medium in same slot last season
10pm – Blue Bloods – 12.81m (2.2)
* Up 22% from Numb3rs premiere last season
* #1 show of the night in viewers & A18-49
...
Tvbythenumbers”
“US Ratings - Premiere Friday
CBS:
8pm – Medium – 6.12m (1.4)
* Down 33% from 2009 season premiere
* Down 39% from Ghost Whisperer in same slot
9pm – CSI: NY – 10.28m (2.0)
* Down 50% among A18-49 vs Wednesday 09 premiere
* Down 29% among total viewers vs 2009 premiere
* Down 5% from Medium in same slot last season
10pm – Blue Bloods – 12.81m (2.2)
* Up 22% from Numb3rs premiere last season
* #1 show of the night in viewers & A18-49
...
Tvbythenumbers”
That's quite big drops for Medium & CSI: NY. For sure, CSI NY was going to be down, but I wonder if CBS were hoping for more than that? Blue Bloods started very well - good to see a Friday night drama bringing in decent numbers but we'll see how its retention is over the next few weeks.
The Good Guys completely bombed but not surprising given how poorly it rated for its preview episode a few months ago. Big drop for Outlaw, when is Who Do You Think You Are? due to return because I'm sure that was rating better. Great numbers for CW, that combo is a strong one. Supernatural did really well among 16-34 men, although I think the CW aims for 16-34 women
Originally Posted by Charnham:
“um,. can I just ask, what if this AFL final ends in a draw? do they just keep playing more and more games, until one is won?
seriously has the AFL not heard of "extra time" "golden extra time" or "golden goal"”
“um,. can I just ask, what if this AFL final ends in a draw? do they just keep playing more and more games, until one is won?
seriously has the AFL not heard of "extra time" "golden extra time" or "golden goal"”
I guess you could argue for both replaying and also extra time. It's been 33 years since it last happened so it's obvious why it's not seen as a major issue that needs addressing when a tie is so rare. Maybe they will think seriously about changing it after this year, but I do think there's something to be said for having a full replay. Not sure St Kilda will feel the same way- they've only won the Premiership title once previously, back in 1966. Came very close to ending that 44 year wait today. Collingwood on the other hand have won over a dozen times, most recently in 1990.
im obviously not an AFL fan, so im not overly worried about either teams history, but it seems odd to me, that they have a replay when the concept of "extra time" is allowed in the sport.
Originally Posted by Charnham:
“im obviously not an AFL fan, so im not overly worried about either teams history, but it seems odd to me, that they have a replay when the concept of "extra time" is allowed in the sport.”
“im obviously not an AFL fan, so im not overly worried about either teams history, but it seems odd to me, that they have a replay when the concept of "extra time" is allowed in the sport.”
It's a win-win as far as AFL/Channel Seven are concerned. Looks like Seven won't get their wish for a night match though:
Quote:
“THE AFL stands to gain upward of $19 million from yesterday's grand final draw, and while the bruised bodies of the St Kilda and Collingwood combatants will suffer from having to back up, the result is a resounding win for the industry broadly.
Television broadcaster Channel Seven was momentarily hopeful that next Saturday's grand final would be the first ever held at twilight, under lights at the MCG, but that was rejected by the AFL last night which, in announcing that the game would be replayed at 2.30pm, also said the AFL Commission had ruled that extra time would be played in the case of another draw.
Regardless, Channel Seven has struck a ratings bonanza given it will now broadcast what is one of Australia's most watched television events annually on consecutive weeks.
The AFL commission hastily ruled last night that extra time would be played, arguing it would be unfair to ask players to play three consecutive weeks. There was uncertainty however, as to whether there would be another grand final parade and pre-match entertainment.”
“THE AFL stands to gain upward of $19 million from yesterday's grand final draw, and while the bruised bodies of the St Kilda and Collingwood combatants will suffer from having to back up, the result is a resounding win for the industry broadly.
Television broadcaster Channel Seven was momentarily hopeful that next Saturday's grand final would be the first ever held at twilight, under lights at the MCG, but that was rejected by the AFL last night which, in announcing that the game would be replayed at 2.30pm, also said the AFL Commission had ruled that extra time would be played in the case of another draw.
Regardless, Channel Seven has struck a ratings bonanza given it will now broadcast what is one of Australia's most watched television events annually on consecutive weeks.
The AFL commission hastily ruled last night that extra time would be played, arguing it would be unfair to ask players to play three consecutive weeks. There was uncertainty however, as to whether there would be another grand final parade and pre-match entertainment.”
Source & more: http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/a...ml?from=smh_sb
it does seem like win/win makes me wonder why the Superbowl doesnt have it happen, after all what could be better than Supebowl 2? 
Originally Posted by rzt:
“That's quite big drops for Medium & CSI: NY. For sure, CSI NY was going to be down, but I wonder if CBS were hoping for more than that? Blue Bloods started very well - good to see a Friday night drama bringing in decent numbers but we'll see how its retention is over the next few weeks.
The Good Guys completely bombed but not surprising given how poorly it rated for its preview episode a few months ago. Big drop for Outlaw, when is Who Do You Think You Are? due to return because I'm sure that was rating better. Great numbers for CW, that combo is a strong one. Supernatural did really well among 16-34 men, although I think the CW aims for 16-34 women”
“That's quite big drops for Medium & CSI: NY. For sure, CSI NY was going to be down, but I wonder if CBS were hoping for more than that? Blue Bloods started very well - good to see a Friday night drama bringing in decent numbers but we'll see how its retention is over the next few weeks.
The Good Guys completely bombed but not surprising given how poorly it rated for its preview episode a few months ago. Big drop for Outlaw, when is Who Do You Think You Are? due to return because I'm sure that was rating better. Great numbers for CW, that combo is a strong one. Supernatural did really well among 16-34 men, although I think the CW aims for 16-34 women”
I think the CSI NY numbers really show how old the Friday night audience is for the broadcast networks. But I reckon they'd have wanted more as well - and Medium did badly. Not sure how much longer they'll hold on to it.
Not sure when WDYTYA is due back, I think it could be before Christmas. With the way Outlaws is going - probably in time for November Sweeps.
I'm assuming that The CW was prepared for a more male audience with its Friday line-up and their A18-34 ratings were in line with most other CW shows this week.
Adults 18-34 (W18-34):
1. The Vampire Diaries - 1.9 (2.7)
2. Gossip Girl - 1.5 (2.5)
3. America's Next Top Model - 1.4 (2.1)
4. Supernatural - 1.3 (n/a)
5. One Tree Hill - 1.2 (1.8)
5. 90210 - 1.2 (1.8)
5. Hellcats - 1.2 (1.7)
5. Smallville - 1.2 (n/a)
5. Nikita - 1.2 (1.1)
10. Life Unexpected - 0.8 (1.2)
Blue Bloods did very well especially on a Friday, I reckon if it can retain or its audience, I could see it being moved to another night like Wednesday or Tuesday by midseason. I reckon Five or Channel 4 will pick this up, it suits the Five audience and go well after The Mentalist.
Skipping through the fluff/crap on the XF leaves you with a 30 minute or less show so it shows how clever ITV/Cowell are managing to string out the whole thing over 90 minutes to maximise revenue. It's an amazing show. Same thing every year yet the audience lap it up now more than ever.
Originally Posted by Andy23:
“No surprise EE is on top at the moment. Kat Slater is a role model to many fanatical EE viewers.
It's not like EE to have a storyline involving characters either leaving or returning to The Square.”
“No surprise EE is on top at the moment. Kat Slater is a role model to many fanatical EE viewers.
It's not like EE to have a storyline involving characters either leaving or returning to The Square.”
Sour grapes.
Kat Slater is one of the most iconic television characters of the past decade. It doesn't mean people want to be her, but she is going to get the viewers in.
The X Factor's very own Chav Princess (with a sideline in assaulting toilet attendants) Cheryl Cole has done wonders for their ratings yet I don't see you mentioning this.
And isn't it Corrie that have just brought back Jim McDonald again and 29 year old Nicky Tilsley played by a 40 year old. All very tired now.
Originally Posted by open_ended:
“Skipping through the fluff/crap on the XF leaves you with a 30 minute or less show so it shows how clever ITV/Cowell are managing to string out the whole thing over 90 minutes to maximise revenue. It's an amazing show. Same thing every year yet the audience lap it up now more than ever.”
“Skipping through the fluff/crap on the XF leaves you with a 30 minute or less show so it shows how clever ITV/Cowell are managing to string out the whole thing over 90 minutes to maximise revenue. It's an amazing show. Same thing every year yet the audience lap it up now more than ever.”
It all depends what you class as the "fluff/crap". After all, a show that was just singing would flop miserably. I tend to think much of the "fluff/crap" is quite essential. Like the VT's on the live shows - often cited as fluff. With the "trash talk" from the judges and the predictions of breakdowns on stage, I think they're one of the key things that give the show its more camp, dramatic feel in comparison to something like American Idol. If it were a singing show, these things would be utterly pointless but they work well in the context of an entertainment show.
If anything, they consistently have issues condensing the whole thing at bootcamp. They cut 103 acts in about 25 minutes tonight in which the viewers saw absolutely nothing of note! They would have actually been better doing that cut off screen - it's not like any of the ones that went home were actually known to the viewer. Then more focus on a smaller group of contestants.
American Idol tends to do about 5 or 6 hours at bootcamp (or Hollywood Week as they have it) over 2 weeks. On the other hand, bootcamp on X Factor has always been a low point for ratings, often falling quite a bit from the last auditions shows. So I can understand the urge to get it out of the way and on to the more popular judges houses stage. For Idol, it actually tends to be reasonably popular.
Every year they seem to try a new bootcamp format and they've just never got it right. It worked better when they split the categories, IMO.
On the subject of sport, it always suprises me that Sunday Night Football doesn't rate as well compared to CBS and FOX's afternoon football and at times ESPN's Monday Night Football which may explain why CBS, FOX and ESPN pay more for NFL than NBC.
Seven
07:00 Weekend Sunrise 0.29m
09:00 AFL Game Day 0.89m
12:15 AFL Premiership Grand Final
Pre-Match Entertainment 1.63m
On The Ground 2.20m
Match: Collingwood v St Kilda (14:30-17:00) 2.78m
Presentations 2.80m
Post-Match 2.15m
*up slightly on last year nationally and across all markets.
18:00 Seven News 1.89m
18:30 Australia Smashes Guinness World Records 0.97m
19:00 Cars 0.61m
Nine
18:00 Nine News Saturday 1.04m
18:30 Australia's Funniest Home Videos 0.92m
Ten
18:30 The Simpsons (R) 0.51m
19:00 The Simpsons Movie 0.58m
ABC1
19:00 ABC News 1.21m
19:30 New Tricks (R) 1.05m
20:30 The Bill 0.75m
07:00 Weekend Sunrise 0.29m
09:00 AFL Game Day 0.89m
12:15 AFL Premiership Grand Final
Pre-Match Entertainment 1.63m
On The Ground 2.20m
Match: Collingwood v St Kilda (14:30-17:00) 2.78m
Presentations 2.80m
Post-Match 2.15m
*up slightly on last year nationally and across all markets.
18:00 Seven News 1.89m
18:30 Australia Smashes Guinness World Records 0.97m
19:00 Cars 0.61m
Nine
18:00 Nine News Saturday 1.04m
18:30 Australia's Funniest Home Videos 0.92m
Ten
18:30 The Simpsons (R) 0.51m
19:00 The Simpsons Movie 0.58m
ABC1
19:00 ABC News 1.21m
19:30 New Tricks (R) 1.05m
20:30 The Bill 0.75m
Originally Posted by Charnham:
“im obviously not an AFL fan, so im not overly worried about either teams history, but it seems odd to me, that they have a replay when the concept of "extra time" is allowed in the sport.”
“im obviously not an AFL fan, so im not overly worried about either teams history, but it seems odd to me, that they have a replay when the concept of "extra time" is allowed in the sport.”
It's not that odd to have a replay. Until recently it happened with the FA Cup. The reason it doesnt happen with football anymore is main due to fixture congestion with the Champions Leage Final & European & World Cup.
Where it is the final game of a season such as in the Irish GAA season, replays of drawn matches are the norm. There is no schedule conflict in AFL or GAA because they dont have to worry about international games.
Today's Sunday Mirror reports that....
"Chiles and Chris lose 800k whilst new One Show gains 300k."
They're comparing the average for the first 5 weeks of new-cast One Show with the average for the equivalent period last year. (Fair comparison mostly, although the first couple of new-cast shows may have been boosted by the hype.)
But for Daybreak they're comparing the average audience for last Friday's show (700, 000) with the peak audience for show 1 (1.5m).
Blimey! Even Robbie Sykes couldn't do a more spectacular hatchet job than that.
The article was written by Lara Gould, TV editor. She must really hate Christine.
"Chiles and Chris lose 800k whilst new One Show gains 300k."
They're comparing the average for the first 5 weeks of new-cast One Show with the average for the equivalent period last year. (Fair comparison mostly, although the first couple of new-cast shows may have been boosted by the hype.)
But for Daybreak they're comparing the average audience for last Friday's show (700, 000) with the peak audience for show 1 (1.5m).
Blimey! Even Robbie Sykes couldn't do a more spectacular hatchet job than that. The article was written by Lara Gould, TV editor. She must really hate Christine.
Originally Posted by iaindb:
“Today's Sunday Mirror reports that....
"Chiles and Chris lose 800k whilst new One Show gains 300k."
They're comparing the average for the first 5 weeks of new-cast One Show with the average for the equivalent period last year. (Fair comparison mostly, although the first couple of new-cast shows may have been boosted by the hype.)
But for Daybreak they're comparing the average audience for last Friday's show (700, 000) with the peak audience for show 1 (1.5m). Blimey! Even Robbie Sykes couldn't do a more spectacular hatchet job than that.
The article was written by Lara Gould, TV editor. She must really hate Christine.”
“Today's Sunday Mirror reports that....
"Chiles and Chris lose 800k whilst new One Show gains 300k."
They're comparing the average for the first 5 weeks of new-cast One Show with the average for the equivalent period last year. (Fair comparison mostly, although the first couple of new-cast shows may have been boosted by the hype.)
But for Daybreak they're comparing the average audience for last Friday's show (700, 000) with the peak audience for show 1 (1.5m).
Blimey! Even Robbie Sykes couldn't do a more spectacular hatchet job than that. The article was written by Lara Gould, TV editor. She must really hate Christine.”
LOL. Whilst Daybreaks figures are hardly spectacular atm, they are pretty consistant for a show which is being mauled by critics. Im sure The One Show has seen its ratings gravitate between 3.5-5.5 over the past few weeks, and not really a fair comparison to make...
The One Show has been fairly consistent at 4.5 m since the launch of Daybreak but drops on Fridays when Chris Evans is on (so if that's an average the Monday-Thursday figure must be higher to compensate for Fridays).Don't forget most journos who write about TV don't understand the medium so I don't find any of this at all surprising. The News of the World uses the same 700,000 figure but points out that GMTV bowed out at 820,000 although during the summer months it usually got around 600,000.
itvpresscentre
Official: A massive peak audience of 12.7 million viewers (50% share) watched the first Bootcamp episode of @TheXFactor #itvpresscentre
1 minute ago via web
Probably looking at an average of ~11.0m for last night then maybe.
Peak for the first Bootcamp last year was under 11.0m, with a substantial increase for the Sunday episode.
Official: A massive peak audience of 12.7 million viewers (50% share) watched the first Bootcamp episode of @TheXFactor #itvpresscentre
1 minute ago via web
Probably looking at an average of ~11.0m for last night then maybe.
Peak for the first Bootcamp last year was under 11.0m, with a substantial increase for the Sunday episode.
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