Just read that FOX Look is to handle international distribution of The Gruen Transfer but it will renamed The Big Sell. I think the show would be perfect for BBC Two or Four but they need the right host and I imagine they'd opted for a British host although Wil Anderson would be good.
The Ratings Thread (Part 12)
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Originally Posted by CheekyTV:
“I think we may see an increase in ratings this autumn and winter for the main channels..I think as those dreaded ecomomic cuts start to bite I think more people will stay at home than is usual and rely on TV, Internet, DVD etc as the main form of entertainment rather than going out on Friday, Saturday night due to expense..what do others think?”
“I think we may see an increase in ratings this autumn and winter for the main channels..I think as those dreaded ecomomic cuts start to bite I think more people will stay at home than is usual and rely on TV, Internet, DVD etc as the main form of entertainment rather than going out on Friday, Saturday night due to expense..what do others think?”
But the internet and DVDs don't count towards ratings, neither does the PS3.
Also, I think multi-channel will still be more popular than the terrestrials, as you say, in these times - I think it would be last luxury to go for many people.
Originally Posted by Jonwo:
“Just read that FOX Look is to handle international distribution of The Gruen Transfer but it will renamed The Big Sell. I think the show would be perfect for BBC Two or Four but they need the right host and I imagine they'd opted for a British host although Wil Anderson would be good.”
“Just read that FOX Look is to handle international distribution of The Gruen Transfer but it will renamed The Big Sell. I think the show would be perfect for BBC Two or Four but they need the right host and I imagine they'd opted for a British host although Wil Anderson would be good.”
well the BBC did try it before, but couldnt make it work.
I however would love a UK series.
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“LOL at the contrast between last night's X Factor rating in Australia and the UK rating. Just shows how different the markets are and how one extremely successful format in one locale is not guaranteed to work anywhere near as well elsewhere.
It's been pondered many times before, but I do wonder how long it's going to be before our appetite wanes for this kind of show, because it doesn't look like we're even close to that stage yet. Australia got bored after about two or three seasons of Idol, yet we still lap it up year after year in all its different guises with this series hitting new highs. What gives? I know The X Factor has helped keep itself interesting by regularly refreshing the format and bringing in new judges and categories, etc, but in all that time the core concept hasn't changed that much at all nor has the different phases of the competition. I don't know whether to put it down to luck or what, as it seems pretty miraculous that this show could still be growing! What exactly is it that we love so much about The X Factor?
Kevin O'Sullivan says Must Be The Music on Sky is finding more talent in one series than The X Factor has in the 6 or so years it's been on air, and yet people are not watching. So I can only assume from that that people are less interested in the talent and more interested in the entertainment value, and that Simon/Louis/Cheryl are pretty integral to its success.
Next year will be interesting as BGT is going to see some major changes as will TXF. At the very least TXF is going to be moving out of its usual home from August to December where people expect to find it. Moving it might have bigger ramifications than people think and Strictly could benefit a lot. The whole dynamics of Saturday night TV will change.
Until then though, it looks like The X Factor will refuse to go about its business quietly, much to the dismay of its knockers. In fact, this year the show is looking even more of a powerhouse than usual. ITV also seem to be making better use of the lead-in than usual, and Downton Abbey has the most extraordinary chance next week to shine. The advert for it which was wheeled out many times last night screams quality, expensive, well made drama. Scheduled in a cushty slot right after the nation's favourite, I would hope to see figures in excess of 7m and I think anything less than 6m would be considered a disappointment, especially when Joe Maddison's War has achieved that with much less fanfare than Downton has already received with 6 days still to go.”
“LOL at the contrast between last night's X Factor rating in Australia and the UK rating. Just shows how different the markets are and how one extremely successful format in one locale is not guaranteed to work anywhere near as well elsewhere.
It's been pondered many times before, but I do wonder how long it's going to be before our appetite wanes for this kind of show, because it doesn't look like we're even close to that stage yet. Australia got bored after about two or three seasons of Idol, yet we still lap it up year after year in all its different guises with this series hitting new highs. What gives? I know The X Factor has helped keep itself interesting by regularly refreshing the format and bringing in new judges and categories, etc, but in all that time the core concept hasn't changed that much at all nor has the different phases of the competition. I don't know whether to put it down to luck or what, as it seems pretty miraculous that this show could still be growing! What exactly is it that we love so much about The X Factor?
Kevin O'Sullivan says Must Be The Music on Sky is finding more talent in one series than The X Factor has in the 6 or so years it's been on air, and yet people are not watching. So I can only assume from that that people are less interested in the talent and more interested in the entertainment value, and that Simon/Louis/Cheryl are pretty integral to its success.
Next year will be interesting as BGT is going to see some major changes as will TXF. At the very least TXF is going to be moving out of its usual home from August to December where people expect to find it. Moving it might have bigger ramifications than people think and Strictly could benefit a lot. The whole dynamics of Saturday night TV will change.
Until then though, it looks like The X Factor will refuse to go about its business quietly, much to the dismay of its knockers. In fact, this year the show is looking even more of a powerhouse than usual. ITV also seem to be making better use of the lead-in than usual, and Downton Abbey has the most extraordinary chance next week to shine. The advert for it which was wheeled out many times last night screams quality, expensive, well made drama. Scheduled in a cushty slot right after the nation's favourite, I would hope to see figures in excess of 7m and I think anything less than 6m would be considered a disappointment, especially when Joe Maddison's War has achieved that with much less fanfare than Downton has already received with 6 days still to go.”
X Factor has bucked the trend of the other main reality/talent formats which have seen slight reverses and has built 3 or 4 million more regular viewers in the last two or three years. I dont know why to be honest but the team behind it have performed miracles really. I was in Birmingham this morning and was surprised to be unable to get into W H Smiths due to the huge queue of delirious girls waiting to see JLS who were there for a book signing seemingly. Quite why anyone could get that worked up about JLS I dont know but there is a bit of that same delirium tied in with X Factor. People associate it with a good time, and so tune in again to try and re-create that good time.
The show has had a few scandals more recently and toogether with the ever increasing press coverage and spin off shows Im sure would have been detrimental to any number of concepts simply because people get sick of things if its rammed down their throat. Many shows have jumped the shark and I think XF has done this more than once (if the amount of people who said they will never watch the show again actually didnt then we would probably be enterring minus territory soon). And yet more and more tune in. Its like one great big soap story really and if people still feel compelled to watch when they dont like it then that is a rare thing.
As for Downton Abbey, I havent seen anything about it but its got the prime slot that Doc Martin occupied last year and did so well. It going to have to go some to match that but if the Beeb arent running George Gently from the same point then it really has all the aces in its favour.
While The X Factor figure is staggeringly good, 28 million people watching on a Sunday in a September is also amazingly good as well.
Some may disagree with this analogy, but its pretty obvious that The X Factor is bringing more people to watch TV on Sunday nights - there's nothing else that can explain the 28m figure, apart from poor weather, but last night although cold wasn't poor by any stretch of the imagination.
I do think we'll see 30m TV audience figures on Sunday broken more this year than last on the run up to Christmas, and if The X Factor is peaking at 13m now, then I won't be surprised if it can live up to the live ratings that it had last year.
Some may disagree with this analogy, but its pretty obvious that The X Factor is bringing more people to watch TV on Sunday nights - there's nothing else that can explain the 28m figure, apart from poor weather, but last night although cold wasn't poor by any stretch of the imagination.
I do think we'll see 30m TV audience figures on Sunday broken more this year than last on the run up to Christmas, and if The X Factor is peaking at 13m now, then I won't be surprised if it can live up to the live ratings that it had last year.
the x factor does well thanks to its direct competition of antiques roadshow and countryfile, this scheduling is deliberate by the bbc as they could place (for example) a 1 hour eastenders episode against it and split the viewers 40-60, but they like to put out something poles apart to appeal to a contrasting audience
Originally Posted by grahamzxy:
“the x factor does well thanks to its direct competition of antiques roadshow and countryfile, this scheduling is deliberate by the bbc as they could place (for example) a 1 hour eastenders episode against it and split the viewers 40-60, but they like to put out something poles apart to appeal to a contrasting audience”
“the x factor does well thanks to its direct competition of antiques roadshow and countryfile, this scheduling is deliberate by the bbc as they could place (for example) a 1 hour eastenders episode against it and split the viewers 40-60, but they like to put out something poles apart to appeal to a contrasting audience”
EastEnders would be crushed, and yes, that's a theme of a public service broadcasting, a common-sense thing which we also see from ITV.
Top 10 Multi-Channel Networks
1. ITV2: 1.8% share; 17.6m reach.
2. ITV3: 1.8% share; 10.7m reach.
3. BBC Three: 1.5% share; 17.6m reach.
4. E4: 1.2% share; 12.4m reach.
5. Film4: 1.0% share; 9.4m reach.
6. Channel 4+1: 0.9% share; 12.2m reach.
7. More4: 0.9% share; 11.7m reach,
8. ITV4: 0.9% share; 10.8m reach,
9. Sky3: 0.9% share; 10.6m reach.
10. BBC News: 0.9% share; 8.6m reach.
C4=4, ITV=3, BBC=2, BSkyB=1.
Source: BARB.
Only Connect
This clever little quiz show on BBC Four, perfectly scheduled after University Challenge on Mondays at 8:30pm, continues to hit new heights. This series opened with 507,000 viewers, well up on the 376,000 that watched the last new episode back in April, and the 369,000 that watched the last series opener back in January.
Goodbye, Big Brother
C4+1 logged its highest audience of 2010 so far for Come Dine With Me: Big Brother Winners, which averaged 838,000 viewers. The last ever Big Brother's Little Brother averaged 434,000 viewers on E4, excluding +1.
The Big Bang Theory
Reruns of this show have been proving incredibly popular on E4. The season 2 finale on Wednesday 8th September delivered an audience of 305k on E4+1 alone. With these kind of numbers, E4 might well have found a worthy successor to Friends. By autumn 2011 when C4's rights to Friends expire and Comedy Central take over, E4 will have built up 87 episodes of The Big Bang Theory which they will be able to rerun to their hearts content. It would take over 12 weeks to cycle through all the episodes at a rate of one per day, or 6 weeks if double bills were aired.
1. ITV2: 1.8% share; 17.6m reach.
2. ITV3: 1.8% share; 10.7m reach.
3. BBC Three: 1.5% share; 17.6m reach.
4. E4: 1.2% share; 12.4m reach.
5. Film4: 1.0% share; 9.4m reach.
6. Channel 4+1: 0.9% share; 12.2m reach.
7. More4: 0.9% share; 11.7m reach,
8. ITV4: 0.9% share; 10.8m reach,
9. Sky3: 0.9% share; 10.6m reach.
10. BBC News: 0.9% share; 8.6m reach.
C4=4, ITV=3, BBC=2, BSkyB=1.
Source: BARB.
Only Connect
This clever little quiz show on BBC Four, perfectly scheduled after University Challenge on Mondays at 8:30pm, continues to hit new heights. This series opened with 507,000 viewers, well up on the 376,000 that watched the last new episode back in April, and the 369,000 that watched the last series opener back in January.
Goodbye, Big Brother
C4+1 logged its highest audience of 2010 so far for Come Dine With Me: Big Brother Winners, which averaged 838,000 viewers. The last ever Big Brother's Little Brother averaged 434,000 viewers on E4, excluding +1.
The Big Bang Theory
Reruns of this show have been proving incredibly popular on E4. The season 2 finale on Wednesday 8th September delivered an audience of 305k on E4+1 alone. With these kind of numbers, E4 might well have found a worthy successor to Friends. By autumn 2011 when C4's rights to Friends expire and Comedy Central take over, E4 will have built up 87 episodes of The Big Bang Theory which they will be able to rerun to their hearts content. It would take over 12 weeks to cycle through all the episodes at a rate of one per day, or 6 weeks if double bills were aired.
Originally Posted by Charnham:
“where is this 28 million figure coming from?”
“where is this 28 million figure coming from?”
ITV Press Office: You can work out amount of people watching by Audience Figure (ie 11m) / Percentage of Programme (ie 50%) * 100.
So when The X Factor peaked - 13.2m/47%*100 = 28.08 million total viewers.
Originally Posted by EuroChris:
“Yet it only got an average 42% share which means that an average of 58% didn't watch it.
There a quite a few TV shows that get 40%+ shares, particularly during winter. XF is nothing special. I could understand if it was getting 60% shares for every episode and 15m for every episode but it's not. It only gets a couple million more viewers than Corrie and EE for example.”
“Yet it only got an average 42% share which means that an average of 58% didn't watch it.
There a quite a few TV shows that get 40%+ shares, particularly during winter. XF is nothing special. I could understand if it was getting 60% shares for every episode and 15m for every episode but it's not. It only gets a couple million more viewers than Corrie and EE for example.”
Like what?? Even Corrie is struggling lately to make 40%.
How can you say XF is nothing special? What we saw last year were ratings of 12m+ consistently every Sunday-something TV shows in Britain haven't done on a regular basis in a long time. And with the auditions considerably up on last year, it looks like we'll be seeing the same thing happen this year.
A couple of million above Corrie and EE is extraordinary aswell-I don't think anyone would have predicted a few years ago that ANY television show would consistently be beating the big two, let alone by 2 million viewers! Add in the main 2 repeat showings and ratings above 13m are fantastic for effectively a clip show for the first 6 episodes.
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“Top 10 Multi-Channel Networks
1. ITV2: 1.8% share; 17.6m reach.
2. ITV3: 1.8% share; 10.7m reach.
3. BBC Three: 1.5% share; 17.6m reach.
4. E4: 1.2% share; 12.4m reach.
5. Film4: 1.0% share; 9.4m reach.
6. Channel 4+1: 0.9% share; 12.2m reach.
7. More4: 0.9% share; 11.7m reach,
8. ITV4: 0.9% share; 10.8m reach,
9. Sky3: 0.9% share; 10.6m reach.
10. BBC News: 0.9% share; 8.6m reach.
C4=4, ITV=3, BBC=2, BSkyB=1.
Source: BARB.
...”
“Top 10 Multi-Channel Networks
1. ITV2: 1.8% share; 17.6m reach.
2. ITV3: 1.8% share; 10.7m reach.
3. BBC Three: 1.5% share; 17.6m reach.
4. E4: 1.2% share; 12.4m reach.
5. Film4: 1.0% share; 9.4m reach.
6. Channel 4+1: 0.9% share; 12.2m reach.
7. More4: 0.9% share; 11.7m reach,
8. ITV4: 0.9% share; 10.8m reach,
9. Sky3: 0.9% share; 10.6m reach.
10. BBC News: 0.9% share; 8.6m reach.
C4=4, ITV=3, BBC=2, BSkyB=1.
Source: BARB.
...”
You missed out CBeebies at 1.2% (or are you ranking by "reach"?)
K
Originally Posted by KennyT:
“You missed out CBeebies at 1.2% (or are you ranking by "reach"?)
K”
“You missed out CBeebies at 1.2% (or are you ranking by "reach"?)
K”
You're right. Apologies for the error! Also missed Sky Sports 2 which was boosted by the England international. The correct top 10 for w/e 12th September:
Top 10 Multi-Channel Networks
1. ITV2: 1.8% share; 17.6m reach.
2. ITV3: 1.8% share; 10.7m reach.
3. BBC Three: 1.5% share; 17.6m reach.
4. E4: 1.2% share; 12.4m reach.
5. CBeebies: 1.2% share, 5.6m reach.
6. Sky Sports 2: 1.1% share, 5.9m reach.
7. Film4: 1.0% share; 9.4m reach.
8. Channel 4+1: 0.9% share; 12.2m reach.
9. More4: 0.9% share; 11.7m reach,
10. ITV4: 0.9% share; 10.8m reach,
C4=4, ITV=3, BBC=2, BSkyB=1.
We lose BBC News and Sky3 but gain CBeebies and Sky Sports 2 so no change in the breakdown by broadcaster.
I'll put it down to first week jitters. Next week I promise my report will be 100% accurate.
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“...
I'll put it down to first week jitters. Next week I promise my report will be 100% accurate.”
“...
I'll put it down to first week jitters. Next week I promise my report will be 100% accurate.
”
Only 100%? Surely, nowadays, 110% is the minimum amount of effort required if we're going to get out of the mess we're in!!
K
edit: technically, More4 should be above C4+1, because its 0.9% came from 0:15m, whereas C4+1 only had 0:14m
Originally Posted by KennyT:
“Only 100%? Surely, nowadays, 110% is the minimum amount of effort required if we're going to get out of the mess we're in!!”
“Only 100%? Surely, nowadays, 110% is the minimum amount of effort required if we're going to get out of the mess we're in!!
”
Not you as well Kenny. You're as bad as Louis Walsh with his "1 million percent" Yes's!
Originally Posted by KennyT:
“edit: technically, More4 should be above C4+1, because its 0.9% came from 0:15m, whereas C4+1 only had 0:14m”
“edit: technically, More4 should be above C4+1, because its 0.9% came from 0:15m, whereas C4+1 only had 0:14m
”
Nah, because the order I'm following is share, then reach, then time. Others may use a different combination but for me this is the best to use!
Originally Posted by cherubmattd:
“Must Be The Music RENEWED?!
http://twitter.com/skyhd/status/25035915158”
“Must Be The Music RENEWED?!
http://twitter.com/skyhd/status/25035915158”
Wow, they must have had their hopes low.
Originally Posted by cherubmattd:
“Must Be The Music RENEWED?!
http://twitter.com/skyhd/status/25035915158”
“Must Be The Music RENEWED?!
http://twitter.com/skyhd/status/25035915158”
Must be the chart sales which saved it. The viewing figures were paltry.
But I suppose it had the right kind of viewer. The kind that will go and download tracks from the show afterwards. So that makes it more attractive to advertisers as well.
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“...
Nah, because the order I'm following is share, then reach, then time. Others may use a different combination but for me this is the best to use!”
“...
Nah, because the order I'm following is share, then reach, then time. Others may use a different combination but for me this is the best to use!”
[pedant]Aah, but, since the share is deduced directly from the time, the reason their share is the same is just down to rounding. 0.1% is roughly = 1.5mins so the time is a slightly more accurate measure...[/pedant]
K
Originally Posted by KennyT:
“[pedant]Aah, but, since the share is deduced directly from the time, the reason their share is the same is just down to rounding. 0.1% is roughly = 1.5mins so the time is a slightly more accurate measure...[/pedant]
K”
“[pedant]Aah, but, since the share is deduced directly from the time, the reason their share is the same is just down to rounding. 0.1% is roughly = 1.5mins so the time is a slightly more accurate measure...[/pedant]
K”
Good point. I'll tighten that up for next week.
Anyone else think Channel Five need to move The Mentalist repeats to Saturdays? They started off really strongly, averaging 1.38m for 4 of the first 6 episodes. (two weeks excluded due to missing data)
However on week 7, the week New Tricks returned to the BBC with 8 million viewers, it has fallen out of the channel's top 30, averaging fewer than 920k. It logged 734k in the overnights. In week 8 it rated more or less the same with 738k.
It's a shame this has happened as they were rating well before New Tricks but they can't leave it there now. Below 1m shouldn't be acceptable at 9pm on a weeknight.
However on week 7, the week New Tricks returned to the BBC with 8 million viewers, it has fallen out of the channel's top 30, averaging fewer than 920k. It logged 734k in the overnights. In week 8 it rated more or less the same with 738k.
It's a shame this has happened as they were rating well before New Tricks but they can't leave it there now. Below 1m shouldn't be acceptable at 9pm on a weeknight.
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“You're right. Apologies for the error! Also missed Sky Sports 2 which was boosted by the England international. The correct top 10 for w/e 12th September:
Top 10 Multi-Channel Networks
1. ITV2: 1.8% share; 17.6m reach.
2. ITV3: 1.8% share; 10.7m reach.
3. BBC Three: 1.5% share; 17.6m reach.
4. E4: 1.2% share; 12.4m reach.
5. CBeebies: 1.2% share, 5.6m reach.
6. Sky Sports 2: 1.1% share, 5.9m reach.
7. Film4: 1.0% share; 9.4m reach.
8. Channel 4+1: 0.9% share; 12.2m reach.
9. More4: 0.9% share; 11.7m reach,
10. ITV4: 0.9% share; 10.8m reach,
C4=4, ITV=3, BBC=2, BSkyB=1.
We lose BBC News and Sky3 but gain CBeebies and Sky Sports 2 so no change in the breakdown by broadcaster.
I'll put it down to first week jitters. Next week I promise my report will be 100% accurate.”
“You're right. Apologies for the error! Also missed Sky Sports 2 which was boosted by the England international. The correct top 10 for w/e 12th September:
Top 10 Multi-Channel Networks
1. ITV2: 1.8% share; 17.6m reach.
2. ITV3: 1.8% share; 10.7m reach.
3. BBC Three: 1.5% share; 17.6m reach.
4. E4: 1.2% share; 12.4m reach.
5. CBeebies: 1.2% share, 5.6m reach.
6. Sky Sports 2: 1.1% share, 5.9m reach.
7. Film4: 1.0% share; 9.4m reach.
8. Channel 4+1: 0.9% share; 12.2m reach.
9. More4: 0.9% share; 11.7m reach,
10. ITV4: 0.9% share; 10.8m reach,
C4=4, ITV=3, BBC=2, BSkyB=1.
We lose BBC News and Sky3 but gain CBeebies and Sky Sports 2 so no change in the breakdown by broadcaster.
I'll put it down to first week jitters. Next week I promise my report will be 100% accurate.
”
Why are you not including +1's ? ITV2 incl +1 (essentially the same channel) is 2.4%; ITV3 1.9%
Was there a big event on ITV4 in August? They had a 1.2% monthly share which was their joint best ever. I thought it was The Tour de France but I just read that finished in late-July.
ITV3 slipped back that month to 1.9%, their lowest of the year so far. CBBC posted its best monthly share since at least 2007, probably ever actually, with 0.9%.
Great week for BBC3 - as good as it gets for them.
ITV3 slipped back that month to 1.9%, their lowest of the year so far. CBBC posted its best monthly share since at least 2007, probably ever actually, with 0.9%.
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“Top 10 Multi-Channel Networks
3. BBC Three: 1.5% share; 17.6m reach.”
“Top 10 Multi-Channel Networks
3. BBC Three: 1.5% share; 17.6m reach.”
Great week for BBC3 - as good as it gets for them.
Originally Posted by cherubmattd:
“Must Be The Music RENEWED?!
http://twitter.com/skyhd/status/25035915158”
“Must Be The Music RENEWED?!
http://twitter.com/skyhd/status/25035915158”
With no X Factor there is an obvious gap in the market. Sky don't get anything from the single sales, 100% of the proceeds go to the contestant. I imagine that when it returns, it will be a lot different to this year. I think there will be an entirely new judging panel.
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