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The Leggy Aussie That Is Natalie Lowe
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kp2ni
19-09-2010
Originally Posted by franglemand:
“And should we expect her to be anything less?

I could see why people didn't warm to her last year. She didn't make funny comments, she had no need to spend time reassuring Ricky or comforting him through a loss of confidence. Plus of course she's openly competitive and we saw little of her on ITT.

However I did end up liking her for her honesty and straight-forwardness. The comment about wanting a 10 in week 1 did make me raise an eyebrow, I admit, but I think for the precision of the comment more than anything else (as in, she didn't hint that the dance was going to be good, she came out and said she thought there was a possiblity of getting a 10 for it. Dangerous words! It's only going to raise expectations). After that though I came to have a lot of respect for her throughout the series. To me she came across as a hard worker, a hard taskmaster and as someone who just wanted to give her best and allow her celeb to give his best in each show. Frankly I expect the pro dancers to be competitive and inclined to perfectionism, even if after so many series most of them have learnt how to play the PR game with the British public. The fact that she had a very strong dancer will also have helped foster the impression that she was incredibly competitive. Think of Erin for a moment- with Austin I thought she was very focussed on the competition, with Wille Thorn she was sweet and kind, with Ricky last year she just tried to keep things fun. With a different student, maybe Natalie would have had a different approach. I look forward to seeing what she does this year, though I will miss her partnership with Ian in the pro dances- I still remember the pro quickstep she choreographed last year!”

Completely agree with this; in fact I couldn't have put it better
cymrugirl
19-09-2010
Originally Posted by Jan2555*GG*:
“I have to say a little bit of me would like to see how she would have coped with a Craig Kelly or a Joe Calzaghe, ofcourse we have no idea how Scott will turn out so maybe she has got a Craig or Joe and its all bravado.”

Having watched her aussie series' I can say she'd have no trouble with a Craig or Joe. She has got worse to the final before and Ricky was by far the best contestant she's ever had.
Bonnie96
19-09-2010
Originally Posted by Jan2555*GG*:
“I didnt like her on series 7 after seeing her interact with the public after both the celeb and pro tours I changed my opinion.”

Originally Posted by ianswaiting:
“I thought she was absolutely fantastic and she was brilliant dancing with Ian Waite. It's a shame he has been demoted to the dance troupe and she now has to dance with Brendan in the pro dances ”

I was one of those most vocal in my dislike of her attitude last year up till the week she danced that fabulous Foxtrot with Ian to 'You Don't Send Me Flowers'.
I suddenly realised that she has a real passion for dancing and is a perfectionist who can't bear to see her passion mishandled.
The expressive way she danced gave me goosebumps and I warmed to her after that.

She was also one of the new girls and as such she would have wanted to make her mark knowing the affection most of us have for the likes of Lilia and Flavia - and not end up being another Hayley.

I still didn't want her and Ricky to win as a couple, but I am hoping that she and Scott can pull out all the stops this year.
(Absolutely nothing to do with the crush I have for Scott btw )
Monkseal
19-09-2010
Originally Posted by katie_p:
“Definitely! I miss the days when the pros were openly competitive, although I must admit I did judge some of them for it at the time

Paraphrasing:

Ian: Oh no, I didn't want to come top every week!
The male celebs are all useless

Erin: 10 is saved for perfection, and Zoe was good but not perfect
We might have the first male 10 here (followed by a dance that got 8s all round, followed by complaints of undermarking)

Darren: I wanted to set the standard for the other celebs to try and match

Brendan: Am I supposed to dance at Fiona's level, or come out and show people what I can do? [Duh...]
Sarah let herself down on Saturday


Kind of missing out Lilia and to a lesser extent Darren, not cos I don't believe you that they were just as bad, but I'm struggling to think of direct quotes as opposed to general competitive attitude with Aled, Jill and Emma in particular!”

One of the few things I liked about series 3 was that of the (obvious and inevitable since two weeks in) Final Three, every single pair thought they deserved to win, and weren't particularly shy about showing it from the beginning. Both sides, pro and celeb. As nice as it to see people learn and grow, it was nice to see people battle it out, rather than kind of drift into the win/towards the end as has become more commonplace.

Darren I think is actually the one of those who hasn't lost their edge completely. I found him a bit much when he was with Emma, but I liked when he made his stand over Lynda being voted out over Craig. Such a futile gesture in the grand scheme of things (she would have lasted what, two more weeks at most?) but at least it showed he cared, when I think someone like Erin would now just throw her hands up. It's why I had hoped for Katya when she was clearly on the verge of throwing a MAHOOSIVE wobbly when Phil was cut, but she just kind of remained oblique about it, albeit obviously p'o'd.
librarygirl
19-09-2010
Originally Posted by katie_p:
“I don't think she is suited to Brendan at all dance wise. She and Ian made such a lovely elegant couple, and Ian's ballroom is so much nicer to watch than Brendan's.”

I totally agree, she and Ian were a great couple, and I can't see it working with Brendan. They should have ditched Brendan and kept Ian, he is a much better dancer.
-Sid-
19-09-2010
I grew to really like and admire Natalie last year.

Watching all the training footage, and all the handy tips she gave Ricky, she struck me as a very good teacher. And her record on Strictly (both the Australian and UK versions) is excellent.

I feel a bit sorry for her. Once again she has a soap star that will probably have quite a hectic work schedule that she will have to work around. Time is precious.
Jan2555*GG*
19-09-2010
Originally Posted by -Sid-:
“I grew to really like and admire Natalie last year.

Watching all the training footage, and all the handy tips she gave Ricky, she struck me as a very good teacher. And her record on Strictly (both the Australian and UK versions) is excellent.

I feel a bit sorry for her. Once again she has a soap star that will probably have quite a hectic work schedule that she will have to work around. Time is precious.”

At least her celeb is working in London this time.....if she doesnt get ITT time again though it will be wrong. I have no idea what the true story behind Ricky and Hollyoaks and the BBC was but whatever it was it was a huge mistake that should not be repeated.
Kyle123
19-09-2010
I personally dont understand what's wrong with being competetive. The most successful people in the world in whatever field they are didnt get there by having a "its the taking part that counts" mentality.
kp2ni
20-09-2010
Originally Posted by Jan2555*GG*:
“At least her celeb is working in London this time.....if she doesnt get ITT time again though it will be wrong. I have no idea what the true story behind Ricky and Hollyoaks and the BBC was but whatever it was it was a huge mistake that should not be repeated.”

Hollyoaks probably thought that Strictly worked the same way as DOI where they basically give the actor the weekend off to do the rehearsals on the Saturdays & perform on the Sundays and then it is up to the actor when and how long they train. With DOI they start training before the show starts though I think it is 3 months but not 100% sure.

Ricky was leaving and therefore had a massive storyline coming up so it seems that they could only train around his very long hours & by the final he looked exhausted.

At least with Scott working in Eastenders so with them being in London they should be able to do ITT.
SilverBird
20-09-2010
Wow, amazing how judgemental people (e.g. the OP) can be about someone they've never actually met. I'm with katie_p there, it makes my feminist hackles rise a little when it's deemed not OK for women to be competive, and when they are expected to take the role of being downtrodden by simpering and whining, which most people also loath. We can't win!

I have met Natalie a couple of times and she's delightful! She's also struck up a great partnership and friendship with Ian and I'm gutted they are not dancing together this series.

OP, are you just looking for things to have a dig at? I could give you a few far more worthy suggestions...
Force Ten
20-09-2010
I too have met her a couple of times and from not particularly liking her partnership with Ricky (I thought he was very arrogant) I completely changed my opinion once she started dancing with Ian - that was a magical partnership to be sure!

Maybe she's doing that good old Aussie pastime of trying to freak out the opposition before the competition even starts lol. I can well see that some of the celebs might be quaking in their dance shoes already and to have Natalie say that Scott is very good and she's hoping to win this time could well make them feel there's not much point in trying too hard!! The more of the opposition you can wipe out early, the better really. I think it's quite funny!!

Not to be taken too seriously OP. Brendan has already said he hopes to win with Michelle - are you going to have a go at him as well?
kaycee
20-09-2010
Originally Posted by PasoHardly:
“So was John Byrne and his intro VT in series 1 is still the most cringe-worthy, self-righteous load of cheese ever broadcast on Strictly ever.

Aussies are renowned to be very VERY competitive.”

You mean when he said that "they (the pro dancers on the show) were the Robbie Williams' of the danceworld" ??

Even though it was true, it was certainly a mis-judged comment on his part, and he paid dearly for it by being knocked out that week, which was a pity, because he and Clare Sweeney were very good - far better than Brendan & Natasha - and should have been easy winners.

On John's behalf, I need to point out that dancers (until they get used to being on scd) are not used to being interviewed by the media, and faced with a tv camera and microphone shoved into their face, sense can take a back seat, and they say the first thing that springs to mind.

There's been a few choice remarks made by other pros since [eg Anton's remark to Layla], but because they are now well known, they've been able to get away with it.
Vivacious Lady
20-09-2010
I think that any pro dancer who was not competitive and didn't want to get the best out of their celeb dance partner would be doing their partner a disservice. Hopefully all the pros are competitive. As I said, I though Natalie did a great job with Ricky and have no problem with her openly stating that she wanted to win. She was being honest.

Re: John Byrnes. Maybe his competitiveness was not such a bad thing since although Australian born, he had a successful career representing England and now coaches/supports other dancers in doing the same..
sofakat
20-09-2010
Originally Posted by Jan2555*GG*:
“.... being over competative can come across as an unattractive quality and even though Strictly IS a competition it is also (like it or not) very much based on public popularity and not just dancing, so how the public 'see you' is all important.”

Sod the public - she's fabulous!
sofakat
20-09-2010
Originally Posted by SilverBird:
“Wow, amazing how judgemental people (e.g. the OP) can be about someone they've never actually met. I'm with katie_p there, it makes my feminist hackles rise a little when it's deemed not OK for women to be competive, and when they are expected to take the role of being downtrodden by simpering and whining, which most people also loath. We can't win!

I have met Natalie a couple of times and she's delightful! She's also struck up a great partnership and friendship with Ian and I'm gutted they are not dancing together this series.

OP, are you just looking for things to have a dig at? I could give you a few far more worthy suggestions...”

Well said Silverbird! We know what it's all about. Women should 'know their place' and not ever hold their head up and admit they have even the teeniest competitive streak. It's all a load of old fashioned, insecure chauvinist rubbish, and we know what's behind it.

She's a fantastic dancer and a strong focused woman. Those who feel threatened by that you should get over themselves. It's 2010 for heaven's sake!
FarmLoon
21-09-2010
I didn't like her much at all last year from her first interview where she talked about the 10 and expecting to win. It put me right off her. However, I grudgingly came to admire her. This year, I'm much more open to her. I hope she and Scott do well although I'm not sure if they'll turn out to be my favourites yet.

I agree with everyone who says that her dancing with Ian W. was so terrific. It's a shame it won't be repeated this year.
-Sid-
21-09-2010
Originally Posted by FarmLoon:
“I didn't like her much at all last year from her first interview where she talked about the 10 and expecting to win. It put me right off her. However, I grudgingly came to admire her. This year, I'm much more open to her. I hope she and Scott do well although I'm not sure if they'll turn out to be my favourites yet.

I agree with everyone who says that her dancing with Ian W. was so terrific. It's a shame it won't be repeated this year.”

Yes, it wasn't about Natalie being competitive per se (there's nothing wrong with that) but she came across as a bit single-minded to begin with.

She mellowed as the series progressed though and became more likable as a result.

It's about finding a balance.
Paace
21-09-2010
Natalie is a great addition to SCD, fabulous dancer and teacher.
I took a dislike to Scott in the intro programme but judging by their training clip he seems ok with the right attitude to training. I hope they go far.
Jan2555*GG*
21-09-2010
Originally Posted by Paace:
“Natalie is a great addition to SCD, fabulous dancer and teacher.
I took a dislike to Scott in the intro programme but judging by their training clip he seems ok with the right attitude to training. I hope they go far.”

Yes I felt Scott came across a bit robotic in the intro programme.....but we will see.....I hope for Natalies sake he shows some personality both off and on the floor.
*Wysiwyg*
21-09-2010
Originally Posted by SilverBird:
“Wow, amazing how judgemental people (e.g. the OP) can be about someone they've never actually met. I'm with katie_p there, it makes my feminist hackles rise a little when it's deemed not OK for women to be competive, and when they are expected to take the role of being downtrodden by simpering and whining, which most people also loath. We can't win!

I have met Natalie a couple of times and she's delightful! She's also struck up a great partnership and friendship with Ian and I'm gutted they are not dancing together this series.

OP, are you just looking for things to have a dig at? I could give you a few far more worthy suggestions...”

Originally Posted by sofakat:
“Well said Silverbird! We know what it's all about. Women should 'know their place' and not ever hold their head up and admit they have even the teeniest competitive streak. It's all a load of old fashioned, insecure chauvinist rubbish, and we know what's behind it.

She's a fantastic dancer and a strong focused woman. Those who feel threatened by that you should get over themselves. It's 2010 for heaven's sake! ”

Well said Silverbird and sofakat! I totally agree with you.

Natalie is a fabulous dancer and a great teacher!

What's wrong with wanting to win?

There's no point in taking part if you don't want to win!
StrictlyCracker
21-09-2010
"Applause" SB and sofakat "Applause"

Couldn't agree more!

When has it ever been a crime to be competitive, whoever you are?

I too didn't take to Natalie last series as I was not a fan of Ricky's. However, after meeting her several times (as Mystical says), she fully admits to being competitive and only wants to give the best performance she can do whoever she dances with, pro or celeb.

She is absolutely adorable and this comes across in her dancing, especially with Ian. Will miss them on the show this year!
BruciesToupe
21-09-2010
To be honest, i just found her to be a bit vapid, for me there was just a bit of nothingness to her. She was obviously a great dancer, but nothing about her grabbed me.

However, I'm not entirely sure this was her fault, I didn't really take to Katya or Aliona either (who really suffered from being out so early).

Maybe its just something about being a newbie, although Brian and Kristina made a big impact pretty quickly ( and I liked Jared instantly for absolutely no logical reason)

I'm hoping that this year more of the three new (ish) girls personalities come across. I'm thinking that maybe, changing three dancers in any one series (especially if they are all same sex) leaves it really hard to form much of an affinity with them as you're trying to suss out too many people at once, and it becomes easier to focus on the old favourites..

It was only really last year that Ola (for me) became a firm favourite, so obviously the partnership element is a huge factor in how they come across...

We shall wait and see!
Last edited by BruciesToupe : 21-09-2010 at 21:46
HeidiB
22-09-2010
I don't mind Natalie being competitive - all the pros and most of the competitors are.

I think that the looks of the dancers influence the viewing public. It shouldn't happen but it does. All the men seem to love Ola, for example. And Natalie who was stunning on the Strictly Tour is rather less attractive on the TV screen.
Ignazio
24-10-2010
Natalie showed yet again last night clever choreography that showcases her partner, great music choice, fantastic dancing and teaching skills.

Although Jimi is my favourite and I love Patsy I wouldn't mind seeing the Aussie beauty triumph.
carol north
24-10-2010
Originally Posted by Ignazio:
“Natalie showed yet again last night clever choreography that showcases her partner, great music choice, fantastic dancing and teaching skills.

Although Jimi is my favourite and I love Patsy I wouldn't mind seeing the Aussie beauty triumph.”

hear hear ignazio - nice to read some nice comments on Natalie lately. She is a fantastic dancer and an amazing teacher.

I to like other partnerships as well this year.
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