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As far as I know, only her son Matthew is mentioned in any spin-off. Unless you're counting the, in my opinion apocryphal, claim that she had a daughter in that old UNIT DWM special in the early nineties, but that would be like counting the stories in the annuals. It isn't a real contender in the canon stakes.
There's really no point in anyone arguing with you, is there? You change the rules to suit yourself. |
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As far as I know, only her son Matthew is mentioned in any spin-off. Unless you're counting the, in my opinion apocryphal, claim that she had a daughter in that old UNIT DWM special in the early nineties, but that would be like counting the stories in the annuals. It isn't a real contender in the canon stakes.
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She's not, it's only in the non canon stuff
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Thanks for all the info, I am loving it here. Don't do forums but this seems fun. Thanks guys x
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So, all your guff about "if it's licenced by the BBC, it's canon" means absolutely nothing, then?
There's really no point in anyone arguing with you, is there? You change the rules to suit yourself. |
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I saw a clip of "The Girl In The Fireplace" a few days ago (havent watched the ep in a long time, can't remember the last time my Series Two boxset moved from it's place on my Dr Who shelf!), but I couldnt help thinking that parts of it rang a much more recent bell.
Young girl, outwardly brave yet scared of monsters, meets mysterious man who helps her out. Mysterious man then goes away, only to return several years later when she is a grown woman, and gets embroiled in her life and alien issues once again. Mysterious man then disappears again promising to return....only real difference is with Reinette, he was too late! Hmmmm..... |
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See, that is just being deliberately provocative and mocking. I hate this place, sometimes. You don't get this kind of dismissive attitude on most other Who forums. I don't know why it's so prevalent here.
If it's not TV, it's not canon. |
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See, that is just being deliberately provocative and mocking. I hate this place, sometimes. You don't get this kind of dismissive attitude on most other Who forums. I don't know why it's so prevalent here.
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You're talking about a throwaway text story in a magazine-you can't compare that to the books!
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I saw a clip of "The Girl In The Fireplace" a few days ago (havent watched the ep in a long time, can't remember the last time my Series Two boxset moved from it's place on my Dr Who shelf!), but I couldnt help thinking that parts of it rang a much more recent bell.
Young girl, outwardly brave yet scared of monsters, meets mysterious man who helps her out. Mysterious man then goes away, only to return several years later when she is a grown woman, and gets embroiled in her life and alien issues once again. Mysterious man then disappears again promising to return....only real difference is with Reinette, he was too late! Hmmmm..... |
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See, that is just being deliberately provocative and mocking. I hate this place, sometimes. You don't get this kind of dismissive attitude on most other Who forums. I don't know why it's so prevalent here.
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I love it here, too. It is fun as long as you don't take the insults seriously. They'll all be forgotten tomorrow....well, most of them
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Well you know more than me!!!! Especailly about the McCoy era!!!! ![]() ![]() , but I don't mind that. The beauty of this place is that there are people who know more than me and I'm happy to listen to them .
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The important thing is that as a writer and producer of the show, he only had to think of two particular viewers who made the majority of the audince watching School Reunion....and that was th those who last saw SJS in Hand of Fear, but didn't go onto spin off media....and those hwo like me met her for the first time!.....not the few thousands who had been reading and listening to contradictory spin-off media.....where she was either married or not...or something else....In School Renion, we were given a Sarah Jane that was created and loved by those who created her, and played her....one that doesn't in terms of "event" timeline contradict the Five Doctors or K9 and Company....because in the former, she didn't really speak to the other Doctors, she had no idea Five was Five, as for all she knew he could have been One or TWo, what with them being there....and in with the fact that we saw K9 in School Reunion, shows that the it doesn't contradict the K9 spin-off. Nowin terms of character....we were shown that SJS was getting on with her life as a Journo, waiting for the Doctor didn't mean that she wasn't getting on with her life....the Doctor says to her "your doing what we always did" or something like that....so her life didn't stop....but even when you take in the Five Doctor's and the K9 show....none of them lether know one way or the other whether the Fourth Doctor survived the trip to Gallifrey...as he never came back.....and being a time traveller he could send her K9 at anypoint of timeline, so again doesn't prove to her that he is still alive...hence the "I thought you died!"...and its reasonable that part of her did think that...even if another part didn't...and when seeing her old friend (best friend as you yourself feel)...her fears as well as her joys will be shared with him....
Although bizarrely enough I've never watched Classic Who but I saw it from the Doctor's viewpoint. |
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See, that is just being deliberately provocative and mocking. I hate this place, sometimes. You don't get this kind of dismissive attitude on most other Who forums. I don't know why it's so prevalent here.
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You're talking about a throwaway text story in a magazine-you can't compare that to the books!
who says we can't...considering your stance on no official canon stuff...who says that those magazine strips don't count? Quote:
I saw a clip of "The Girl In The Fireplace" a few days ago (havent watched the ep in a long time, can't remember the last time my Series Two boxset moved from it's place on my Dr Who shelf!), but I couldnt help thinking that parts of it rang a much more recent bell.
Young girl, outwardly brave yet scared of monsters, meets mysterious man who helps her out. Mysterious man then goes away, only to return several years later when she is a grown woman, and gets embroiled in her life and alien issues once again. Mysterious man then disappears again promising to return....only real difference is with Reinette, he was too late! Hmmmm..... Quote:
I think the other forums are much worse, some really bad. Nasty people, people who won't take any opinion unless it's one of the clique and a bad attitude. That's why I came here. Bored of the others.
Thanks, I am hoping that's the case! And welcome to this forum ![]() Quote:
I really don't
![]() , but I don't mind that. The beauty of this place is that there are people who know more than me and I'm happy to listen to them .In a sense we all bring something to this forum...even those of us who don't know every inch of detail....the beauty of another view.... ![]() Quote:
I think as well with School Reunion it's told through the perspective of The Doctor and Rose which fits the two most common groups of viewers. The Doctor who hasn't seen her since he left her in Aberdeen, and Rose who has just met her. David Tennant says in the boxset commentary viewers can watch it from either of those viewpoints.
Although bizarrely enough I've never watched Classic Who but I saw it from the Doctor's viewpoint. But more importantly they were best of friends.....the joy and sadness that they were going to feel after seeing each other was quite natural.....most of us would be full of mixed feelings if we saw a long lost friend....and then this is the Doctor, how can any best friend compete with having the Doctor as a best freind.... There are sme really good stories with SJS and the Third and also the Fourth Doctor if you wanted to chck them out....School Reunion was the very reason I sought out Classic Who, because I wanted to see why the Doctor was happy to see this Sarah Jane Smith, and what exactly was she to the Doctor....and having watched most of th classic stories with her in them, if not all....(apart from the Five Doctors)....I don't feel the relationship we see in School Reunion contradicts that of them in Classic Who....she seems to me the sae SJS that shed a tear on the "death" of the Third Doctor...
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See, that is just being deliberately provocative and mocking. I hate this place, sometimes. You don't get this kind of dismissive attitude on most other Who forums. I don't know why it's so prevalent here.
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TGITF is one of my favourites.
My other favourites have to be (in no particular order): Father's Day, The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances, Army of Ghosts/Doomsday, Human Nature/Family of Blood, Blink, Turn Left, The Eleventh Hour. |
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ting and me go way back - all the way back to April, actually
![]() I know he seems curmudgeonly, but he's one of my favourite posters.* And he knows more than anyone else alive, probably, about DW. *Even if we disagree on many things. ![]() |
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I know many fans really rate Girl in the Fireplace, but I must admit it's not really a favourite of mine. Don't get me wrong; it's not rubbish (IMO only one new Who story is rubbish, and that's Love and Monsters) but there are lots of stories I like better.
I think a lot of it is because the relationship between the Doctor and Reinette didn't really grab me, and that's such a key part of the story. |
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See, that is just being deliberately provocative and mocking. I hate this place, sometimes. You don't get this kind of dismissive attitude on most other Who forums. I don't know why it's so prevalent here.
...as for TGitFP...I have no idea why, but my other half loved it when we first saw it but stayed stoic...I just blubbed at the end and still do every time I see it...I have a feeling there must be blipverts in there somewhere that only I can see of small kittens in distress
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I think there can be a distinction made between being knowledgeable and a fanatic. By his own admission, Tingramento has on video (video!) every single episode of Dr Who still available, including 4 years of NuWho which he professes to hate with a vengeance, which makes his taping of it week in week out a little strange to say the least. Obviously, with all this info at his fingertips, he can come up with answers on many obscure topics, and good luck to him. However, it appears to me that outside the realm of facts and figures, his opinions are extreme at times, with often little intelligent thought processes behind them. None of this would matter if he wasn't so "curmudgeonly" in your words, downright rude in mine, about any opinion which doesn't fit into his cosy little view of what the world of Who should be, and it makes my blood boil when people offer support to him when he's clearly spouting juvenile spiteful bile about people like RTD and fans like myself who appreciate what that man has achieved in moving the show into the 21st century. Sorry, but sue me if that's such a terrible thing for me to say.
Sorry to have made your blood boil, maybe you are taking it all too seriously. I agree with your posts more often than ting's but that doesn't stop me liking him (or you). I like who I like. ![]() Quote:
I think a lot of it is because the relationship between the Doctor and Reinette didn't really grab me, and that's such a key part of the story. ![]() Quote:
tingra - you have to understand (and that's not an edict but an assumption) that you have made your own bed with certain repetetive posts on certain subjects for which you are now affectionately mocked...as for other Who forums, they can be infinitely more vitriolic and unpleasant than this one and often far less enlightening..."deliberately provocative" by the way, could be construed as Posting in a thread about the good things of the RTD era as a person who hates it with a passion...and yet you do it on an astoundingly regular basis...
...as for TGitFP...I have no idea why, but my other half loved it when we first saw it but stayed stoic...I just blubbed at the end and still do every time I see it...I have a feeling there must be blipverts in there somewhere that only I can see of small kittens in distress ![]() |
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What's wrong with video?
Sorry to have made your blood boil, maybe you are taking it all too seriously. I agree with your posts more often than ting's but that doesn't stop me liking him (or you). I like who I like. ![]() Really? I thought that relationship was absolutely believable! I think that's mainly why I liked it so much. ![]() I agree. (Apart from the other half bit). |
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I know many fans really rate Girl in the Fireplace, but I must admit it's not really a favourite of mine. Don't get me wrong; it's not rubbish (IMO only one new Who story is rubbish, and that's Love and Monsters) but there are lots of stories I like better.
I think a lot of it is because the relationship between the Doctor and Reinette didn't really grab me, and that's such a key part of the story. Have you watched Last of the Timelords, Voyage of the Damned, End of Time and The Big Bang? All rubbish (although at least The Big Bang was entertaining rubbish) and far worse than Love and Monsters.
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What's wrong with video?
Sorry to have made your blood boil, maybe you are taking it all too seriously. I agree with your posts more often than ting's but that doesn't stop me liking him (or you). I like who I like. ![]() Really? I thought that relationship was absolutely believable! I think that's mainly why I liked it so much. ![]() I agree. (Apart from the other half bit). Of course "making my blood boil" is rather emotive and not completely accurate, and of course you are welcome to like who you like! But when this guy reacts so badly to any kind of personal criticism when he dishes it out with gay abandon, he makes himself sound a bit of an ass, and few of his posts help alleviate that opinion in my mind. But hey, we're all different - but he needs to accept that people who disagree with him are not mindless morons, in general they make better arguments than he does
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It would have been more believable without the Rose thing going on. As someone else has posted, as a stand alone story it was believable, as part of Series 2 less so. It would have been better to have had this story in Series 3 or 4 or as one of the specials.
I agree as a stand alone story as a special, it would have been er.... special. (But then it would have been too close to The doctor befriending Amelia). |
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What's wrong with video?
I still listen to vinyl, too. I prefer it to CD. |
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Nothing wrong with video....a decade ago! Nothing wrong with 78 gramaphone records too!
![]() ![]() I know a few people who actually prefer vinyl and collect 78s. Anyway, to get back on topic, the Rose/Reinette thing. I just took it that the doctor was completely bowled over by Mme de Pompadour, both the legend and the person. Rose's reaction was very well played, i thought. The thing that bugged me, as so often in DW was that in the next episode it was not referred to, and the Rose/Doctor relationship was back to its normal self. |
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, but I don't mind that. The beauty of this place is that there are people who know more than me and I'm happy to listen to them