So, all your guff about "if it's licenced by the BBC, it's canon" means absolutely nothing, then?

There's really no point in anyone arguing with you, is there? You change the rules to suit yourself.

Why not??? As you say...there is no official canon!!!

See, that is just being deliberately provocative and mocking. I hate this place, sometimes. You don't get this kind of dismissive attitude on most other Who forums. I don't know why it's so prevalent here.

I love it here, too. It is fun as long as you don't take the insults seriously. They'll all be forgotten tomorrow....well, most of them

You're talking about a throwaway text story in a magazine-you can't compare that to the books!

I saw a clip of "The Girl In The Fireplace" a few days ago (havent watched the ep in a long time, can't remember the last time my Series Two boxset moved from it's place on my Dr Who shelf!), but I couldnt help thinking that parts of it rang a much more recent bell.

Young girl, outwardly brave yet scared of monsters, meets mysterious man who helps her out. Mysterious man then goes away, only to return several years later when she is a grown woman, and gets embroiled in her life and alien issues once again. Mysterious man then disappears again promising to return....only real difference is with Reinette, he was too late!

Hmmmm.....

No, it's my understanding of canon, just as you always state that you believe it is.

If it's not TV, it's not canon.

Your critics are mirroring your behaviour, that's why.


Why can't I?

Oooh, yes! I won't say I wish he'd been too late for Pond...

I think the other forums are much worse, some really bad. Nasty people, people who won't take any opinion unless it's one of the clique and a bad attitude. That's why I came here. Bored of the others.



Thanks, I am hoping that's the case!

I really don't, but I don't mind that. The beauty of this place is that there are people who know more than me and I'm happy to listen to them.

I think as well with School Reunion it's told through the perspective of The Doctor and Rose which fits the two most common groups of viewers. The Doctor who hasn't seen her since he left her in Aberdeen, and Rose who has just met her. David Tennant says in the boxset commentary viewers can watch it from either of those viewpoints.

Although bizarrely enough I've never watched Classic Who but I saw it from the Doctor's viewpoint.

The Canon debate is one that always is a heated debate....no one here is being procative by stating something which is their opinion only because it disagrees with yours....




who says we can't...considering your stance on no official canon stuff...who says that those magazine strips don't count?


lol...yes there are obvious similarities....but they all have a connection with the Time Travller's Wife.....and it seems that Moff loves that aspect so uses it again....




And welcome to this forum


Oh you definitely do know more about the Mcoy era...
In a sense we all bring something to this forum...even those of us who don't know every inch of detail....the beauty of another view....


We also could add to the fact that even if we were to take in spin-off media....we have no idea about the time span between whatever Doctor saw her last to the one that went through the Time War, then as Nine, then as Ten.....it could have been literally a life time feeling of not seeing her....
But more importantly they were best of friends.....the joy and sadness that they were going to feel after seeing each other was quite natural.....most of us would be full of mixed feelings if we saw a long lost friend....and then this is the Doctor, how can any best friend compete with having the Doctor as a best freind....

There are sme really good stories with SJS and the Third and also the Fourth Doctor if you wanted to chck them out....School Reunion was the very reason I sought out Classic Who, because I wanted to see why the Doctor was happy to see this Sarah Jane Smith, and what exactly was she to the Doctor....and having watched most of th classic stories with her in them, if not all....(apart from the Five Doctors)....I don't feel the relationship we see in School Reunion contradicts that of them in Classic Who....she seems to me the sae SJS that shed a tear on the "death" of the Third Doctor...

Actually Tony it is you that is the nasty one this Who forum, all that myself and others are doing is pulling you up on it. Maybe treat other posters opinions that differ from your own with respect instead of calling them crap or other posters morons. It is you that starts the provocative baiting posts that others respond to.

TGITF is one of my favourites.

My other favourites have to be (in no particular order):
Father's Day, The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances, Army of Ghosts/Doomsday, Human Nature/Family of Blood, Blink, Turn Left, The Eleventh Hour.

I think there can be a distinction made between being knowledgeable and a fanatic. By his own admission, Tingramento has on video (video!) every single episode of Dr Who still available, including 4 years of NuWho which he professes to hate with a vengeance, which makes his taping of it week in week out a little strange to say the least. Obviously, with all this info at his fingertips, he can come up with answers on many obscure topics, and good luck to him. However, it appears to me that outside the realm of facts and figures, his opinions are extreme at times, with often little intelligent thought processes behind them. None of this would matter if he wasn't so "curmudgeonly" in your words, downright rude in mine, about any opinion which doesn't fit into his cosy little view of what the world of Who should be, and it makes my blood boil when people offer support to him when he's clearly spouting juvenile spiteful bile about people like RTD and fans like myself who appreciate what that man has achieved in moving the show into the 21st century. Sorry, but sue me if that's such a terrible thing for me to say.

I know many fans really rate Girl in the Fireplace, but I must admit it's not really a favourite of mine. Don't get me wrong; it's not rubbish (IMO only one new Who story is rubbish, and that's Love and Monsters) but there are lots of stories I like better.

I think a lot of it is because the relationship between the Doctor and Reinette didn't really grab me, and that's such a key part of the story.

tingra - you have to understand (and that's not an edict but an assumption) that you have made your own bed with certain repetetive posts on certain subjects for which you are now affectionately mocked...as for other Who forums, they can be infinitely more vitriolic and unpleasant than this one and often far less enlightening..."deliberately provocative" by the way, could be construed as Posting in a thread about the good things of the RTD era as a person who hates it with a passion...and yet you do it on an astoundingly regular basis...

...as for TGitFP...I have no idea why, but my other half loved it when we first saw it but stayed stoic...I just blubbed at the end and still do every time I see it...I have a feeling there must be blipverts in there somewhere that only I can see of small kittens in distress

What's wrong with video?

Sorry to have made your blood boil, maybe you are taking it all too seriously. I agree with your posts more often than ting's but that doesn't stop me liking him (or you). I like who I like.


Really? I thought that relationship was absolutely believable! I think that's mainly why I liked it so much.




I agree. (Apart from the other half bit).

It would have been more believable without the Rose thing going on. As someone else has posted, as a stand alone story it was believable, as part of Series 2 less so. It would have been better to have had this story in Series 3 or 4 or as one of the specials.

Have you watched Last of the Timelords, Voyage of the Damned, End of Time and The Big Bang? All rubbish (although at least The Big Bang was entertaining rubbish) and far worse than Love and Monsters.

Nothing wrong with video....a decade ago! Nothing wrong with 78 gramaphone records too!

Of course "making my blood boil" is rather emotive and not completely accurate, and of course you are welcome to like who you like! But when this guy reacts so badly to any kind of personal criticism when he dishes it out with gay abandon, he makes himself sound a bit of an ass, and few of his posts help alleviate that opinion in my mind. But hey, we're all different - but he needs to accept that people who disagree with him are not mindless morons, in general they make better arguments than he does

I think because it followed directly on from School Reunion, where the Doctor basically says that he can't get involved, and then in the next story, he does just that.

I agree as a stand alone story as a special, it would have been er.... special. (But then it would have been too close to The doctor befriending Amelia).

There's nothing wrong with video-only technology snobs think there is. Video is still widely used by a lot of people, which is why blank tapes are still being sold in a lot of shops.

I still listen to vinyl, too. I prefer it to CD.

I better not tell you I haven't got a mobile phone, then, or you'll totally despise me

I know a few people who actually prefer vinyl and collect 78s.

Anyway, to get back on topic, the Rose/Reinette thing. I just took it that the doctor was completely bowled over by Mme de Pompadour, both the legend and the person. Rose's reaction was very well played, i thought.

The thing that bugged me, as so often in DW was that in the next episode it was not referred to, and the Rose/Doctor relationship was back to its normal self.