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smithers3162
22-09-2010
Originally Posted by tingramretro:
“There's nothing wrong with video-only technology snobs think there is. Video is still widely used by a lot of people, which is why blank tapes are still being sold in a lot of shops.

I still listen to vinyl, too. I prefer it to CD.”

Absurd. Watch a video and follow it by watching a digital recording, and if you can't tell that the latter is better, you're blind. In fact I'd suggest people who think this are technology anti-snobs. But, obviously your choice, just seems funny in these days of HD etc, that you still record the show on video. But I am aware that that statement in itself makes me sound like a snob, so I will humbly apologise
Eaglestriker
22-09-2010
DVDs are objectively better quality, but tapes are still good, for nostalgia.

I even occasionally add a slight hiss / warbly-tuning to some of my music to make it sound like its on a tape.

Occasionally.

Too weird?
lach doch mal
22-09-2010
Originally Posted by Eaglestriker:
“DVDs are objectively better quality, but tapes are still good, for nostalgia.

I even occasionally add a slight hiss / warbly-tuning to some of my music to make it sound like its on a tape.

Occasionally.

Too weird?”

I'm honest I don't know what is better quality, but in my mind it really doesn't matter. I've some William Hartnell stories on videotape, I would certainly not exchange them. I also still record stuff on videotapes. As long as it is Doctor Who, I don't care what the medium is.
sebbie3000
22-09-2010
Originally Posted by lach doch mal:
“I'm honest I don't know what is better quality, but in my mind it really doesn't matter. I've some William Hartnell stories on videotape, I would certainly not exchange them. I also still record stuff on videotapes. As long as it is Doctor Who, I don't care what the medium is.”

According to a Gadget show twst, MP3s have the best sound quality* - with vinyl a close second.

*This obviously is only true if you have quality speakers/headphones for them, as they often come with especially bad ones (yes, Apple, I'm looking at you!).
smithers3162
22-09-2010
Originally Posted by Eaglestriker:
“DVDs are objectively better quality, but tapes are still good, for nostalgia.

I even occasionally add a slight hiss / warbly-tuning to some of my music to make it sound like its on a tape.

Occasionally.

Too weird?”

Yeah, a bit!!

No, nostalgia is great, but as for recording things for posterity, video will age and degenerate much quicker. I can't think of a reason why video might be considered better, but 4 reasons for digital spring readilly to mind:
1)Better quality
2)Smaller and easier to store
3)Better longevity
4)Easier cueing of the required show / scene etc.

Anyway, this debate is probably a little off the track of this thread, apologies for dragging it here!!
Eaglestriker
22-09-2010
Yep, there's no doubt that MP3s/DVDs/Blu-ray (or digital stuff in general) is capable of much better quality than the other mediums, but its still down to personal taste.

Tapes are still popular in a niche market and provide comedy when they go wrong. Watch 'Be Kind Rewind'
JohnFlawbod
22-09-2010
Originally Posted by smithers3162:
“Absurd. Watch a video and follow it by watching a digital recording, and if you can't tell that the latter is better, you're blind. In fact I'd suggest people who think this are technology anti-snobs. But, obviously your choice, just seems funny in these days of HD etc, that you still record the show on video. But I am aware that that statement in itself makes me sound like a snob, so I will humbly apologise ”

Much as it pains me, I have to side with Tingra (if only partly) on this one when it comes to DW: the Hartnell/Troughton and some early Pertwee episodes suffer frm being too clean and remastered for me...the opening scene of "An Unearthly Child" for instance has its own mysterious charm but even more so in the fuzzy old days before Digitality...it's a little like colourisation which for me is summed up by Gremlins II - "Casablanca, now in full colour with a happier ending!"

Not all innovations are good for all purposes.
smithers3162
22-09-2010
Originally Posted by JohnFlawbod:
“Much as it pains me, I have to side with Tingra (if only partly) on this one when it comes to DW: the Hartnell/Troughton and some early Pertwee episodes suffer frm being too clean and remastered for me...the opening scene of "An Unearthly Child" for instance has its own mysterious charm but even more so in the fuzzy old days before Digitality...it's a little like colourisation which for me is summed up by Gremlins II - "Casablanca, now in full colour with a happier ending!"

Not all innovations are good for all purposes.”

Fair enough - it was more the fact that he was still taping today's Who on video which amused me.
JohnFlawbod
22-09-2010
Originally Posted by smithers3162:
“Fair enough - it was more the fact that he was still taping today's Who on video which amused me.”

Well tbh I've had two DVD Players, one DVD Recorder and One DVD/Hard Drive Recorder in the past four years and all failed so quickly I ended up taping TEH on my 10 year old VHS which is still going strong...
cathrin
22-09-2010
Originally Posted by Granny McSmith:
“I
Anyway, to get back on topic, the Rose/Reinette thing. I just took it that the doctor was completely bowled over by Mme de Pompadour, both the legend and the person. Rose's reaction was very well played, i thought..”

I thought so too; it was a perfect example of "Less is more". Her silent moment of devastation was a million times more effective than her jealous bitching in the previous episode when she felt threatened by SJ. In School Reunion I found her reaction to a "rival" annoying, but in TGITF I really felt for her.
tingramretro
22-09-2010
Originally Posted by smithers3162:
“Absurd. Watch a video and follow it by watching a digital recording, and if you can't tell that the latter is better, you're blind. In fact I'd suggest people who think this are technology anti-snobs. But, obviously your choice, just seems funny in these days of HD etc, that you still record the show on video. But I am aware that that statement in itself makes me sound like a snob, so I will humbly apologise ”

You are possibly correct in the part of your statement I've bolded. I am, in fact, partially blind in one eye and have reduced depth perception as a result (which is why I don't drive), and this may be why I can see absolutely no difference between the quality of DVD and that of video. But I still can't, all the same, and I have no problem with that at all.
smithers3162
22-09-2010
Originally Posted by tingramretro:
“You are possibly correct in the part of your statement I've bolded. I am, in fact, partially blind in one eye and have reduced depth perception as a result (which is why I don't drive), and this may be why I can see absolutely no difference between the quality of DVD and that of video. But I still can't, all the same, and I have no problem with that at all.”

Thanks, that goes some way towards explaining it then
crazzyaz7
22-09-2010
Originally Posted by Adam Kelleher:
“It would have been more believable without the Rose thing going on. As someone else has posted, as a stand alone story it was believable, as part of Series 2 less so. It would have been better to have had this story in Series 3 or 4 or as one of the specials.”

Originally Posted by Granny McSmith:
“I better not tell you I haven't got a mobile phone, then, or you'll totally despise me

I know a few people who actually prefer vinyl and collect 78s.

Anyway, to get back on topic, the Rose/Reinette thing. I just took it that the doctor was completely bowled over by Mme de Pompadour, both the legend and the person. Rose's reaction was very well played, i thought.

The thing that bugged me, as so often in DW was that in the next episode it was not referred to, and the Rose/Doctor relationship was back to its normal self.”

I pretty much agree with Granny here....The Doctor was basically swept up by Reniette....and she did most of the leading...plus everything literally happend for him over a couple of hours.....and yes he did leave Rose in the future....but he already knew he would see her again, even if it would be a slow path....plus, initally wasn't Moff going to put in a line about the Tardis taking Mickey and Rose home automatically, which was mentioned for Donna in the Library story? So that would have bean a slighltly shorter wait...With Doomsday and the parallel world, he literally didn't think he was ever going to see her ever again....so that is why he was more sad then.....

so yeah Ifeel it does fit....it even adds to the theme of the idea that the Doctor and Rose think they will be togtherforever....an as Rose says in Fear Her that they keep trying to split them up but never will be able to....well we know what happend after that.

As for not mentioning....well it depends, the Tenth Doctor isn't one to know what exactly what to say...and rather just get on with it, then deal with things...hence his treatment of Martha....but also, we don't know how many adventures they may have had inbetween TGITF and TROTC....and may have said something or another...but then again, as Doomsday, and the Beach scene show, they didn't ever really talk about exactly how they feel before that point....
Granny McSmith
22-09-2010
Originally Posted by crazzyaz7:
“I pretty much agree with Granny here....The Doctor was basically swept up by Reniette....and she did most of the leading...plus everything literally happend for him over a couple of hours.....and yes he did leave Rose in the future....but he already knew he would see her again, even if it would be a slow path....plus, initally wasn't Moff going to put in a line about the Tardis taking Mickey and Rose home automatically, which was mentioned for Donna in the Library story? So that would have bean a slighltly shorter wait...With Doomsday and the parallel world, he literally didn't think he was ever going to see her ever again....so that is why he was more sad then.....

so yeah Ifeel it does fit....it even adds to the theme of the idea that the Doctor and Rose think they will be togtherforever....an as Rose says in Fear Her that they keep trying to split them up but never will be able to....well we know what happend after that.

As for not mentioning....well it depends, the Tenth Doctor isn't one to know what exactly what to say...and rather just get on with it, then deal with things...hence his treatment of Martha....but also, we don't know how many adventures they may have had inbetween TGITF and TROTC....and may have said something or another...but then again, as Doomsday, and the Beach scene show, they didn't ever really talk about exactly how they feel before that point....”

I think you're right, crazzy, especially about not knowing what came in between. I hadn't considered that, I must admit.

I wish Moff had put in a line about the Tardis automatically taking Rose & Mickey back home, though, as he did in the Library episode. As it stands it makes him look a bit callous just leaving them there.

He may have known he would see her again, but she didn't, surely?
JohnBoy Walton
22-09-2010
Originally Posted by cathrin:
“I thought so too; it was a perfect example of "Less is more". Her silent moment of devastation was a million times more effective than her jealous bitching in the previous episode when she felt threatened by SJ. In School Reunion I found her reaction to a "rival" annoying, but in TGITF I really felt for her.”

Me too. I filled up in that episode. Which after the floods I had for K9 in the episode before was not a good thing.
cathrin
22-09-2010
Originally Posted by Granny McSmith:
“I
He may have known he would see her again, but she didn't, surely?”

How did he know he would see her again? (I know that's probably a dumb question, but I'm not too good at the wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff so I always get confused over this sort of thing!) At the point when he trapped himself on the slow path, how did he know he would get back? I thought all the doors had been closed (apart from the loose connection which he didn't yet know about), so as far as he was concerned he was trapped for good?

On the subject of "less is more", I like the fact that we don't see the Doctor's reunion with Rose, we just sort of catch up with them mid-hug instead of getting the full-on moment of reunion, which is an interesting bit of writing and direction. I guess SM wanted to keep the focus on the Doctor's relationship with Reinette.
cathrin
22-09-2010
Originally Posted by JohnBoy Walton:
“Me too. I filled up in that episode. Which after the floods I had for K9 in the episode before was not a good thing.”

Aww! I reckon it's a very good thing indeed. There's nothing healthier than a good old sob during DW!
Granny McSmith
22-09-2010
Originally Posted by cathrin:
“Sorry to ask what is probably a dumb question, but: how did he know he would see her again? I'm not too good at the wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff so I always get confused over this sort of thing. At the point when he trapped himself on the slow path, how did he know he would get back? I thought all the doors had been closed (apart from the loose connection which he didn't yet know about), so as far as he was concerned he was trapped for good?

On the subject of "less is more", I like the fact that we don't see the Doctor's reunion with Rose, we just sort of catch up with them mid-hug instead of getting the full-on moment of reunion, which is an interesting bit of writing and direction. I guess SM wanted to keep the focus on the Doctor's relationship with Reinette.”

I was really quoting crazzy with that line. I took her to mean that the Doctor would live long enough to reach Rose's time again, so would meet her then, but she may not have meant that at all
JohnBoy Walton
22-09-2010
Originally Posted by cathrin:
“Aww! I reckon it's a very good thing indeed. There's nothing healthier than a good old sob during DW! ”

Good! Because I have done it a lot!
crazzyaz7
22-09-2010
Originally Posted by Granny McSmith:
“I think you're right, crazzy, especially about not knowing what came in between. I hadn't considered that, I must admit.

I wish Moff had put in a line about the Tardis automatically taking Rose & Mickey back home, though, as he did in the Library episode. As it stands it makes him look a bit callous just leaving them there.

He may have known he would see her again, but she didn't, surely?”

Originally Posted by cathrin:
“How did he know he would see her again? (I know that's probably a dumb question, but I'm not too good at the wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff so I always get confused over this sort of thing!) At the point when he trapped himself on the slow path, how did he know he would get back? I thought all the doors had been closed (apart from the loose connection which he didn't yet know about), so as far as he was concerned he was trapped for good?

On the subject of "less is more", I like the fact that we don't see the Doctor's reunion with Rose, we just sort of catch up with them mid-hug instead of getting the full-on moment of reunion, which is an interesting bit of writing and direction. I guess SM wanted to keep the focus on the Doctor's relationship with Reinette.”

The Doctor would have just taken the slow path and catched up with Rose on the year 3000 or if she had gone back to 2007 via the Tardis....just like Jack waited for th Doctor...simple really...he doesn't age that badly.....it would havebeen a long time...but he knew he would see her, she was in the same world as him.....like I said the line wasn't mentioned about the Tardis taking them home...but it was planned...and maybe it would have been mentioned if it was about to take place, just like it did in the Library two parter....

As for the simple reunion...well for the Doctor, it had only been a little while from when he left Rose behind, and then went back again through the fireplace, and he was keen to get back when he knew he could....it was Rose who waited five hours.....hence why she was the one doing the most hugging....there was no need for the Doctor to get too emotional on their renion....
cathrin
22-09-2010
Originally Posted by JohnBoy Walton:
“Good! Because I have done it a lot!”

You and me both! So which episode produces the most tears? My own top tear-jerking moments:

Donna's mind-wipe in Journey's End
Rose losing Pete in Father's Day
The bookshop scene in TEOT Part 2 ("Were you?")
The beach scene in Doomsday
The Lone Centurion story in TBB
and the Remembrance Day scene in The Family Of Blood, which reduces me to a sobbing wreck every time I see it.

Oh dear, I'm welling up just thinking about it!

Sorry, wandered off topic there! Blame the raw emotion....sniff....
Granny McSmith
22-09-2010
Originally Posted by cathrin:
“You and me both! So which episode produces the most tears? My own top tear-jerking moments:

Donna's mind-wipe in Journey's End
Rose losing Pete in Father's Day
The bookshop scene in TEOT Part 2 ("Were you?")
The beach scene in Doomsday
The Lone Centurion story in TBB
and the Remembrance Day scene in The Family Of Blood, which reduces me to a sobbing wreck every time I see it.

Oh dear, I'm welling up just thinking about it!

Sorry, wandered off topic there! Blame the raw emotion....sniff....”

The bookshop scene, Donna's mind-wipe, the scene in Journey's end when they are all in the Tardis, in fact, any scene involving singing Ood, the scene in Family of Blood when John Smith has to decide what to do - and all the rest of that episode, and all of Vincent and the Doctor.
cathrin
22-09-2010
Originally Posted by Granny McSmith:
“The bookshop scene, Donna's mind-wipe, the scene in Journey's end when they are all in the Tardis, in fact, any scene involving singing Ood, the scene in Family of Blood when John Smith has to decide what to do - and all the rest of that episode, and all of Vincent and the Doctor.”

Me too! It's interesting how that bookshop scene has made such an impact. I guess it's another "less is more" moment: no tears, no melodrama, just a simple moment of depth and calm, beautifully acted. Also, it was so unexpected: I guess we all knew he would go and find Rose and Martha etc, but it never occurred to me that Joan would be on his mind. (And what a contrast with Martha and Mickey's "goodbye" scene, which I cringe every time I watch!)
Granny McSmith
22-09-2010
Originally Posted by cathrin:
“Me too! It's interesting how that bookshop scene has made such an impact. I guess it's another "less is more" moment: no tears, no melodrama, just a simple moment of depth and calm, beautifully acted. Also, it was so unexpected: I guess we all knew he would go and find Rose and Martha etc, but it never occurred to me that Joan would be on his mind. (And what a contrast with Martha and Mickey's "goodbye" scene, which I cringe every time I watch!) ”

I think you're right. It's poignant in itself, but it also reminds me of the scene in FoB where he is torn between staying with Joan and becoming the Doctor again, and he sees what could have been, and its like losing that all over again.

And there's the fact that he knows he broke Joan's heart (unwittingly), which must have been a source of pain for him.

Writing about it makes me want to watch TEoT again!
daveyboy7472
22-09-2010
Originally Posted by Granny McSmith:
“I think you're right. It's poignant in itself, but it also reminds me of the scene in FoB where he is torn between staying with Joan and becoming the Doctor again, and he sees what could have been, and its like losing that all over again.

And there's the fact that he knows he broke Joan's heart (unwittingly), which must have been a source of pain for him.

Writing about it makes me want to watch TEoT again!”

I agree Granny!

That was a really nice touch for the 10th Doctor's final minutes and as you say, totally unexpected. As you know, we all expected Rose to crop up somewhere along the line but this little scene was a real gem and if I hadn't watched it so many times since New Year's Day, I'd dig it out and rewatch it myself!!!!!
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