So you try to rubbish it but don't say why.

The Porche example is valid, it's a capacity issue. If you want more capacity you buy a different car. If you want more capacity, buy a different handset. Simple... It's hardly a flaw.


Most people appear to be able to get what they want installed on the handset without issue. I admit there are a few who don't have enough space for everything they want, but they can look at other handsets if the capacity isn't enough for them. It's not a flaw, it's just designed for a certain capacity, same as the Porche that you incorrectly rubbished without any valid reason.


There you go then, buy an iPhone, sorted In the same way I'll avoid buying a Porche and get a decent family sized car instead. Sorted! We're all happy today.


Even when apps install on the SD card they still use a proportion of the handsets memory too. Some use more than others. When I activated the 'force all apps to SD' function I still used space up on my phone's memory and some programs used more than others, so you will still run out of space if you cram lots of stuff in there.

The problem is storage is removable on an Android phone so what do you do if the person is using an app and ejects the card? Die? Crash? Not let you eject the card? It is a real problem.

The reason the iPhone doesn't have this problem is because the storage is not removable. The likes of the Droid X also doesn't have this problem because it has 8GB of internal storage.

I've always thought this was a stupid idea and surprised it's taken this long to fix it.Even the old Symbian OS offered you the choice of where to store your apps.

I wonder how many have a major capacity problem?
Give it another 12 months and the problem will be for phones with only a 32GB SDHC slot rather than the extra high capacity 2TB SDXC slot.

I'll just have to make do with a 32GB.SDHC for my music collection etc.

I would suggest that your Uncle's Porche actually has additional seating attached to the rear however access is only available through the front seats and for certain passengers.

I have a number of big apps like Maps, Flash, Facebook, Vlingo which have wide bums and are taking up too much room at the front of the Porch. If only they could be seated at the rear we could fit even more apps in the front. It's a shame that we have all that space in the back that can't be used and there's not enough space in the front...

I noticed that the HTC Desire HD has over 1Gb of free space after a typical bunch of initial apps have been installed - that's a lot more like it!

I had about 140mb free when the phone was new! I haven't managed to get the workaround to work so I've got to the stage where I run out of space for text messages and I have to start deleting apps to be able to send/receive or even open a text!

It would be a great phone if it wasn't for the lack of phone space - as it is, it is very flawed. Nobody will convince me that this is by good design like a Porsche!

The HD might be the iPhone killer, this one could not be because of this problem.

So I have tried again to apply this fix:


http://androinica.com/2010/08/03/how...oid-2-2-froyo/

It tells me to download and install the Android SDK from here

It then tells me to run SDK Setup.exe - no sign of such a program.

Am I missing something?

I think its already been stated why this isnt a flaw and quite a sensible idea Some apps need to be loaded earlier in the boot process, other dont. Load an app onto your SD card and it may not work for that reason. As its removable media you really dont want services, widgets running on there. If you really must use a SD card invest in one of the many apps to do the brain work for you e.g. app2sd, sdmove etc.

I found this 'issue' to be really annoying when I had a HTC Hero and about 50mb (estimate) for apps. What you need to remember is that Android (and the number of apps available) has increased at a dramatic rate over the past year.

I started using Android 1.5 on my HTC Hero and there were very few *quality* apps available - as a result 50mb was enough. Now that there are many more available (with much larger file sizes), Google have addressed this.

Also, the apps old issue of not being able to install apps on the SD crd is partially down to the way that Android handles USB connections. On the iPhone you can't use your phone while it is updating or syncing. With Android you can - and also use USB tethering etc. If you mount the memory card to USB then it would be hard to use any of the apps on the phone if they were stored on the SD card. Again, Google has addressed with with Froyo.

These 'issues' are always ironed out. It just takes time. Android has come a VERY long way since Android 1.5 (http://www.thesearethedroids.com/wp-...oidmarket1.png). The same thing happened with iOS - when the iPhone was released you couldn't send MMS.

Just something to think about...

A sensible idea?!!!! I can only think you have the wrong end of the stick! How is it a sensible idea that you can only add a few apps before you run out of space?

I have App2SD but very few apps will move to the SD card - the solutions suggested earlier in this thread are supposed to force apps onto the SD card to free up some space, but they don't seem to work. Yes I know some apps and widgets have to remain on the phone, but I presume most don't.

What you have to ask yourself is why dont the apps work - oh right I just explained that to you Forcing apps to the media will cause you issues - hence the reason they need to be forced. Service apps should be on internal memory. There hasnt been a great rush to support SD installation as a significant number of apps work in this way.

I understand perfectly well why most don't work on the SD card - they just have not been coded to allow this yet because only the Froyo release has allowed this capability, so no you haven't explained it correctly at all. Yes there are some apps and widgets that will only work on internal storage, but most would work fine on the SD card if they were coded to allow it or if there was a way of forcing them there.

Because of one simple problem, what do you when the memory card is unmounted if the app is running or has a background process that is about to be woken up.

It's not a simple thing to solve.

No it seems you dont understand the issue at all MOST applications wont work because of the reasons already stated. You attempt to paint a picture of badly written apps (I can agree a few are very badly written ) but for the most part they follow a generic algorithmic pattern, as Google provide excellent examples. The issue is they simply cant be moved to SD safely based on how they interact with the Android operating system not because they are missing this feature. Its a pretty simple task to copy an apk to an sd, if this was all you need to do everyone would add this capability. Unfortunately its a lot more sophisticated than this as many people have pointed out already.

So you're a programmer and you program these apps do you?

There is no reason why many of these apps can't run from the SD card - it's just that they haven't been coded that way yet, but apparently there is a way of overriding this as I know of people who have done it successfully... unfortunately the methods linked to earlier in this thread don't work and are very time consuming so I haven't worked out how it can be done yet.

My company develops Android, Symbian and Iphone applications. Due to my - ahem - experience I have a better title than programmer

Sure you can override this but your phone will stop working eventually and will need to be factory reset - not worth it imho, good luck with you endeavours

I'm glad we established that:

a) You are not a programmer
b) It can be overridden

What we have established...
I have a better title than programmer.
Tools exist to do this where the application supports migration to the SD card

God, I'm lost with this argument.
Running A2SD hasn't caused me any problems yet. What will go wrong with my Blade? Surely the apps either work or don't work when I put them in the EXT2 partition?

We have also established that:

a) I already have App2SD
b) You are a manager who is no longer in touch with programming... if you ever were!

No we have established.

a. You have App2SD but havent a clue what it is actually doing
b. You make far too many assumptions
c. You really need to do some research prior to make claims
d. You dont read/understand the responses on this thread.

Just to put you mind at ease, I develop Android stuff at work all the time As I indicated in the post you failed to grasp ,my title is very cool. No where does it indicate/suggest/infer that this is a hands off role.

All the best

You shouldnt have any problems if you use it correctly. OP is trying to ignore advice not to move specific applications . Panic over nothing imho.