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Old 08-10-2010, 20:02
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Your logic is equally bewildering. Cars arent made to crash. Yet thought is given to the choice of materials, welding techniques, etc.

It seems apple have not given enough thought to the materials it uses. Maybe it should...then again it will spoil the look of the product, so that is probably why they dont.
Urgh?

Cars aren't meant to crash - yes well done.

Thankfully drivers have insurance (and are forced to have said, quite pricey, insurance) so for the careless, and the unfortunate - their car is fixed or recovered.

Not sure what your point is.

Your post makes no sense: "It seems apple have not given enough thought to the materials it uses. "

ERM . . . .WHAT?!. . .

Apple make their phone out of toughened glass - if someone DROPS THE PRODUCT AND THE SCREEN CHIPS. . .what the hell has that got to do with Apple's materials?

I crash my car. . .big dents occur. . .perhaps Volkswagen should make my car out of reinforced titanium, or replace it for free because I've been careless and the car cost me 7-8 grand. . . .and because of its high price I should be allowed free cars every time I scratch or dent my own due to stupidity.

Don't be silly.
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Old 08-10-2010, 20:32
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Think I'll be drinking my wine out of metal goblets and beer out of metal tankards from now on. These new fangled glasses have a major design flaw and break when I drop them
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Old 08-10-2010, 20:36
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Think I'll be drinking my wine out of metal goblets and beer out of metal tankards from now on. These new fangled glasses have a major design flaw and break when I drop them
LMAO. I know. Shocker It's the manufacturer's fault for not making stronger glass - it's not your fault for dropping it! God when it comes to Apple products Digital Spy logic goes out the window

Oh and remember. . . a budget £5 glass that smashes is ok - it's only glass and you'd expect it to smash if you drop it.

An expensive, nicely designed glass that costs £15 that smashes . . .well this glass ISN'T expected to smash when you drop it, because it's £15 glass - It's actually the manufacturers fault for not using invulnerable glass.

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Old 08-10-2010, 20:45
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The back comes off very easily - two screws and it slides off - that's it. Surely replacements can be procured from somewhere. Or some enterprising oriental type will start selling them made out of different materials...
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Old 08-10-2010, 22:45
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The back comes off very easily - two screws and it slides off - that's it. Surely replacements can be procured from somewhere. Or some enterprising oriental type will start selling them made out of different materials...
I was told by Apple that had the chip been on the back they could maybe repair it, because it was on the front i had to get a replacement handset. Still..... Im now insured through Bubble. Cant afford anymore drops!
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Old 08-10-2010, 22:49
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Replacing the front glass would have been a bit more complicated due to the touchscreen and the display. Glad you have insurance now, not heard of this bubble so don't know how good they are. Mine is covered on my home contents
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Old 09-10-2010, 09:47
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Amazing how some on here are trying to claim that a more expensive phone is somehow less likely to be dropped. What a load of tosh.

At least my metal/plastic Desire can survive with being dropped - the maximum damage was a scratch on the battery cover, total cost to replace :- £12, next day delivery, and all of about 30 seconds to change over.

I guess HTC knows that *glass* is not a great thing to put on something that is not likely to be dropped.

After doing this, I bought an OtterBox for said phone. A very good investment, and I know that I can drop-kick the thing and it would be fine.

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If you drop the device - it's *YOUR* fault that damage occurs. Not anyone elses. How people are arguing this post is bewildering. It's not made to be dropped.
I guess some people are still defending the indefensible when it comes to Apple. Apple could have used slightly more robust materials that can withstand drops/scratches/rough handling - it's a fact of life that it's going to happen. Apple chose something that scratches easily and smashes/chips with ease.
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Old 09-10-2010, 11:07
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I guess some people are still defending the indefensible when it comes to Apple. Apple could have used slightly more robust materials that can withstand drops/scratches/rough handling - it's a fact of life that it's going to happen. Apple chose something that scratches easily and smashes/chips with ease.
All capacitive touch screen phones use glass for the screen just like the iPhone. Apple use the strongest glass available for this but it can still be damaged just like every other phone.

I have friends who have dropped HTC phones and the screen has smashed/cracked so your statement is nonsense.

You say Apple should use a more robust materiel.... such as? Gorilla Glass is the best there is ATM.
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Old 09-10-2010, 11:16
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All capacitive touch screen phones use glass for the screen just like the iPhone. Apple use the strongest glass available for this but it can still be damaged just like every other phone.

I have friends who have dropped HTC phones and the screen has smashed/cracked so your statement is nonsense.

You say Apple should use a more robust materiel.... such as? Gorilla Glass is the best there is ATM.
I was referring to the back of the phone - not the screen. Doesn't Apple use standard glass for this? Why not use it on both sides of the phone - it is after all a premium device.
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Old 09-10-2010, 11:54
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I guess HTC knows that *glass* is not a great thing to put on something that is not likely to be dropped.
If it's not likely to be dropped it doesn't matter what it's made of now does it?

First sensible thing I have seen you write (though I highly suspect it was a typo, though I have quoted you in case you get your reality distortion machine or the edit button out again) as phones are clearly not designed to be dropped with the possible exception of a crap phone with a rubber case nokia did once.
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Old 09-10-2010, 12:10
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Apple use the strongest glass available for this but it can still be damaged just like every other phone.
A bit like all phones using the strongest glass then?
I assume that because no names were given Apple bought theirs for tuppence ha'penny.

That's quite a strange claim that Apple use the 'strongest glass' considering both technology competition and Apple's is a no name glass.

It is the design that makes the new iPhone far easier to break.
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Old 09-10-2010, 12:14
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as phones are clearly not designed to be dropped with the possible exception of a crap phone with a rubber case nokia did once.
Some phones handle it better than others.

To use the car analogy that someone brought up:

Cars aren't designed to be crashed, but some fare better than others. For example, older Volvos have legendary crashworthiness - you can usually drive it home again. Others fare much worse, such as, say, a Citroen Saxo.

The iPhone 4 seems to be nearer to the Saxo end of the spectrum. Many other phones, which use better materials/construction (screen excepted, although it appears that Gorilla Glass differs in toughness in different phone models), seem to be toward the Volvo end.
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Old 09-10-2010, 12:24
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Some phones handle it better than others.

To use the car analogy that someone brought up:

Cars aren't designed to be crashed, but some fare better than others. For example, older Volvos have legendary crashworthiness - you can usually drive it home again. Others fare much worse, such as, say, a Citroen Saxo.

The iPhone 4 seems to be nearer to the Saxo end of the spectrum. Many other phones, which use better materials/construction (screen excepted, although it appears that Gorilla Glass differs in toughness in different phone models), seem to be toward the Volvo end.
But as you've admitted that the phone isn't likely to be dropped (just like car's aren't likely to be crashed) in the post I quoted above but cut out all reference to that admission in your quote, all this is a bit irrelevant

The phone isn't likely to be dropped, therefore it matters not what it is made of now does it?
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Old 09-10-2010, 12:34
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The phone isn't likely to be dropped, therefore it matters not what it is made of now does it?
How can you say that it isn't likely to be dropped? Accidents happen, especially in lightweight devices that can very easily fall out of your hand, be knocked out of your hand, if you trip over, etc.

You're right, it was a typo when I said "that is not likely to be dropped". This must come as a real shock (pun not intended), you agreed with me and now you might not. Phones *are* going to be dropped, whether it is an iPhone 4 or a £5 CPW special.
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Old 09-10-2010, 12:47
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Going back to the car analogy but accidents happen in them too. Which is what insurance is for.

Are you honestly telling me that if someone crashes a car causing damage to the bodywork that the damage is the responsibility of the manufacturer as they should have built a stronger car? Is it heck!! It's the fault of the daft sod who just crashed it. Just like if someone drops a phone and it suffers damage then it's the silly fault of the person who dropped it. Phones are not made to be dropped. Yes it happens, but no manufacturer would warrant that a phone would survive being dropped as it's simply not an intended use of any phone

Next you'll be telling us it's a design flaw or manufacturing defect that the iPhone can't survive THIS
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Old 09-10-2010, 12:50
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Are you honestly telling me that if someone crashes a car causing damage to the bodywork that the damage is the responsibility of the manufacturer as they should have built a stronger car? Is it heck!! It's the fault of the daft sod who just crashed it. Just like if someone drops a phone and it suffers damage then it's the silly fault of the person who dropped it. Phones are not made to be dropped. Yes it happens, but no manufacturer would warrant that a phone would survive being dropped as it's simply not an intended use of any phone
Of course it's not the manufacturer's fault if you drop the phone, but they are not absolved of criticism if they choose to build the phone with lesser quality materials / a poor design that makes it more likely to break if you do drop it.

Especially when the manufacturer in question makes some of the most expensive phones in the industry, and likes to wax lyrical about how brilliant their products are.

It isn't Volvo's problem if you crash your car, but it's more likely to be fixable (and you can probably still drive it away).

Next you'll be telling us it's a design flaw or manufacturing defect that the iPhone can't survive THIS
Doesn't work, but I'm guessing it's a video showing a totally unreasonable situation for any phone. Are you writing this from your iPhone? It goes to m.youtube.com.
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Old 09-10-2010, 12:56
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Doesn't work, but I'm guessing it's a video showing a totally unreasonable situation for any phone. Are you writing this from your iPhone? It goes to m.youtube.com.
Yes I was, try THIS. Good guess though it does show a rather silly situation that you wouldn't reasonably expect any phone to survive. Rather like dropping really
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Old 09-10-2010, 13:49
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LOL this thread is hilarious. Remember the 'unbreakable' phone at CES? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programme...ne/8450385.stm
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Old 09-10-2010, 15:04
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LOL this thread is hilarious. Remember the 'unbreakable' phone at CES? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programme...ne/8450385.stm
Claiming something as unbreakable was just asking for trouble. Bit like a boat that claimed to be unsinkable
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Old 09-10-2010, 15:17
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Claiming something as unbreakable was just asking for trouble. Bit like a boat that claimed to be unsinkable
Based on the auto advice I've received from this thread I'm off to buy a used Sherman Tank. Gotta surely be better then a Volvo
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Old 09-10-2010, 16:55
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Based on the auto advice I've received from this thread I'm off to buy a used Sherman Tank. Gotta surely be better then a Volvo
Better to be safe than sorry. After all you wouldn't want to be driving very fast into other objects with a car with a manufacturing defect like a volvo would you
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Old 09-10-2010, 19:07
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Haven't bothered reading most of Moox's typical anti-apple hyperbole but I'll repeat incase he missed it:

If you drop an iPhone - it's YOUR FAULT it breaks.

If you crash a car - it's YOUR FAULT you have dented it.

How Apple's materials come into question is bewildering.

Car's dent when crashed. . .they cost THOUSANDS of pounds. . .where is Moox's outrage that such highly expensive car suffer damage when misused?

Oh that's right. . .the cars aren't made by Apple
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Old 09-10-2010, 19:47
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Haven't bothered reading most of Moox's typical anti-apple hyperbole but I'll repeat incase he missed it:

blah blah blah blah blah blah
Then you ought to try reading.

I merely said that some phones (i.e not Apple's) handle being dropped better than others. I mean, really, who puts glass on both sides of the phone (and not even decent glass on the back - simply the cheapest!).

I fear that you will fail to absorb this, as it is not pro-Apple.
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Old 09-10-2010, 19:55
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Then you ought to try reading.

I merely said that some phones (i.e not Apple's) handle being dropped better than others. I mean, really, who puts glass on both sides of the phone (and not even decent glass on the back - simply the cheapest!).

I fear that you will fail to absorb this, as it is not pro-Apple.
If a product gets dropped and breaks - that is not the manufacturers fault - regardless of how you try to say it is.

As I've said - my car is pricey. . . pricier than a VW Lupo. . .I'd still expect it to dent if I misuse it.

It's not VW's fault.

It's not Apple's fault.

Obviously you'll fail to absorb that and blame Apple for people misusing the product - being anti-apple and invading most Apple threads just to have a go
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Old 09-10-2010, 20:02
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This Sony Erricson is water proof.

I'm outraged that when I dropped my iPhone into the toilet - it didn't work when I fished it back out.

I mean. . .it should be waterproof. .considering that Sony phone is.

Isn't the iPhone advertised with the slogan "Drop me. I'm invincible. Throw me in water - I'm indestructible".

Oh - you mean it's highend technology that should be treated with respect

My bad.
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