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Smooth National Radio Thread
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Ramsay Ladders
06-10-2010
Anyone in the East/West Midlands tell us what the "computer problem" Carlos has just apologised for is?



Originally Posted by Martin Phillp:
“Which also would have gone out on 102.2 in London, as it's now a relay of the DAB service.”

I was wondering if DAB was getting the London feed due to the amount of London ads I am hearing?
JELLIES0
06-10-2010
Originally Posted by wirewolf:
“Not sure Carlos is up there with Tony Blackburn, I just don't think he's fits the format. As for Neil Fox - I'm just glad he's only on the radio in London. Thank God the rest of the country doesn't have to suffer him.”

I've just spent 25 minutes listening to Carlos and he sounds really great.
I listened to Lynn Parsons for a while this morning and, quite frankly didn't like her at all. She talked far, far too much. Her show sounded too much like Sarah Kennedy's for my liking.
Perhaps she would be more suited as Sarah's replacement on Radio Two.
VoA
06-10-2010
Are these problems due to issues with "segregating" the ads & idents for different coverage areas and /or playout system problems (which one do they use btw?) and scheduling? Sorry if I haven't used the correct terminology, I'm not in radio.
cubwolf
06-10-2010
Originally Posted by Ramsay Ladders:
“Anyone in the East/West Midlands tell us what the "computer problem" Carlos has just apologised for is?”

The east midlands adverts were not firing so we had dead air until a back up song played.

They seem to have just fed the East Midlands TX with the West Midlands feed for now so wrong idents and ads etc.
Ian_22
06-10-2010
Same just happened with the London feed. All a bit of a joke really, this is professional radio I assume!
Mapperley Ridge
06-10-2010
I admit that it's quite embarrassing to have these problems still happening on day three. But I still say give them a chance to sort it out. I remember the very eaerly days of Classic Gold networking in the South of England and there were no end of blank ad breaks, jingles playing out of sync and other cock ups.
Ramsay Ladders
06-10-2010
Originally Posted by cubwolf:
“The east midlands adverts were not firing so we had dead air until a back up song played.

They seem to have just fed the East Midlands TX with the West Midlands feed for now so wrong idents and ads etc.”

Thanks for that.

Originally Posted by Mapperley Ridge:
“I admit that it's quite embarrassing to have these problems still happening on day three. But I still say give them a chance to sort it out. I remember the very eaerly days of Classic Gold networking in the South of England and there were no end of blank ad breaks, jingles playing out of sync and other cock ups.”

Fair enough but this is a national service and presumably they had planned this for months so it could be argued the service should be near perfect by the on air date? I do of course realise that cock ups do occur but dead air etc is a bit off.
hanssolo
06-10-2010
Originally Posted by JELLIES0:
“I listened to Lynn Parsons for a while this morning and, quite frankly didn't like her at all. She talked far, far too much.”

Influenced by Tony Blackburn's "more chat less music!".
On Saturday he said when they both used to be at Radio 1 she once brought in a trampoline for fun! But looking at dates he had left R1 before she joined, but he was then on BBC Radio London!
Martin Phillp
06-10-2010
Originally Posted by Ramsay Ladders:
“Anyone in the East/West Midlands tell us what the "computer problem" Carlos has just apologised for is?





I was wondering if DAB was getting the London feed due to the amount of London ads I am hearing?”

I'd love to know what these London ads are as whenever I listen to Smooth on DAB/102.2, 95% of them are national ads, unlike Smooth WM (online) which has more regional.
Ramsay Ladders
06-10-2010
Originally Posted by Martin Phillp:
“I'd love to know what these London ads are as whenever I listen to Smooth on DAB/102.2, 95% of them are national ads, unlike Smooth WM (online) which has more regional.”

So 5% are London ads then? Answers your own question

Not done an audit of ads like you, maybe the London ads just stick out more for me.
JOHN HASTINGS
06-10-2010
I love Smooth Radio - a station that plays Katie Melua, George Benson and Bonnie Raitt (3 of my favourite artists) does it for me always.

How long before Real Radio goes national, one wonders - especially with Capital going UK wide next year (and possibly Magic, so I've heard).
Martin Phillp
06-10-2010
Originally Posted by JOHN HASTINGS:
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How long before Real Radio goes national, one wonders - especially with Capital going UK wide next year (and possibly Magic, so I've heard).”

GMG have said Real's strength is staying regional and is very strong in South Wales and Central Scotland.
dpb
07-10-2010
Originally Posted by hanssolo:
“Influenced by Tony Blackburn's "more chat less music!".
On Saturday he said when they both used to be at Radio 1 she once brought in a trampoline for fun! But looking at dates he had left R1 before she joined, but he was then on BBC Radio London!”

He was at Capital Gold when Lynn was on Radio 1. She was at Capital FM before then so maybe there's where the trampoling took place!
Tazman1966
07-10-2010
I heard him say that and I don't think there was any mention of Radio 1. Remember prior to the changes, she used to follow him on Saturday and Sunday on 102.2. Maybe that's what he meant.

As an aside, Cecilia by Simon & Garfunkel seems to be on heavy rotation...
Bundyman
07-10-2010
Originally Posted by cubwolf:
“The east midlands adverts were not firing so we had dead air until a back up song played.

They seem to have just fed the East Midlands TX with the West Midlands feed for now so wrong idents and ads etc.”

Day 3 & it's still happening then!

Bet they wish they had left it local. Networking always goes wrong. Bet R2 are really really scared now!
Phillip Swift
07-10-2010
Originally Posted by Bundyman:
“Networking always goes wrong.”

Networking does not always go wrong 99.9% of the time networking works fine and actually if you were going to compare automation and network mistakes with mistakes made by presenters you'd find that local jocks make alot more mistakes.

Anyway I am suprised at these problems happening to GMG because it's not as if they are new to networking, they've been doing it very well with Real and Smooth for sometime.
SouthCity
07-10-2010
Originally Posted by Bundyman:
“Day 3 & it's still happening then!

Bet they wish they had left it local. Networking always goes wrong. Bet R2 are really really scared now!”

Yes, I'm sure they really regret saving all those salary costs plus the costs of running various studios in the Midlands & the North East.

Networking hardly ever goes wrong on Heart, on the rare occasion that it does it's headline news on here.
Bish_Bash
07-10-2010
Originally Posted by Martin Phillp:
“Smooth will be replaced by Rock Radio on MXR Yorkshire and MXR South Wales & Severn Estuary.

http://licensing.ofcom.org.uk/radio-...es/update0910/”

I read about this on Radio today and out of curiosity I thought I'd check the two smooth radios, the Yorkshire multiplex is running at 128kbps stereo while the digital 1 version is running at 112kbps stereo and even with my dodgy hearing I could tell the difference. The Yorkshire multiplex sounded a little sharper, which is the one that's going to be Rock Radio.

There maybe different compressions and sound shaping between the two multiplexes, but it's the same output on both. Is that little bit of difference between the bit rates between the two multiplexes making that much difference for DAB sound quality?
hanssolo
07-10-2010
Originally Posted by Bish_Bash:
“There maybe different compressions and sound shaping between the two multiplexes, but it's the same output on both. Is that little bit of difference between the bit rates between the two multiplexes making that much difference for DAB sound quality?”

Ofcom approved 112k providing new advanced encoders and listening tests were done.
Also the latest Orban digital audio compression units are supposed to help to improve coding at low bit rates!

Maybe they have not got the setup right or the bit rate does make a difference. Galaxy and BFBS were 112k at one time and are now back to 128k!
Interesting a while back most of D1 was empty, now we have 12 stations and 3 data channels fighting for the bits!
Absolute 90's was supposed to have been a test until October but now looks like it is staying on D1!

Global and GMG who still own the MXR regional muxes can now expand coverage, but do not seem to be in any rush to do it!
hanssolo
07-10-2010
Seems some older DAB sets do not cope well with 112k whereas other sets are OK, see the In Car DAB Reception Problem thread!
194
07-10-2010
Originally Posted by VoA:
“Are these problems due to issues with "segregating" the ads & idents for different coverage areas and /or playout system problems (which one do they use btw?) and scheduling? Sorry if I haven't used the correct terminology, I'm not in radio.”

Smooth use RCS for their playout.
Amara
07-10-2010
Originally Posted by Tazman1966:
“I heard him say that and I don't think there was any mention of Radio 1. Remember prior to the changes, she used to follow him on Saturday and Sunday on 102.2. Maybe that's what he meant.

As an aside, Cecilia by Simon & Garfunkel seems to be on heavy rotation...”


I really like Smooth BUT asome songs like Seal, Paloma Faith & Eliza Dolittle need to be dropped or drastically cut back on rotation.
SouthCity
07-10-2010
Originally Posted by hanssolo:
“Global and GMG who still own the MXR regional muxes can now expand coverage, but do not seem to be in any rush to do it!”

They have no intention of spending any more of their own shareholders' money on further transmitters, in an article today Stuart Taylor has repeated Ashley Tabor's view that the licence fee should pay for it. A decision on this is due next year.

http://www.mediaweek.co.uk/news/rss/...estone-Smooth/
hanssolo
07-10-2010
Originally Posted by SouthCity:
“They have no intention of spending any more of their own shareholders' money on further transmitters, in an article today Stuart Taylor has repeated Ashley Tabor's view that the licence fee should pay for it. A decision on this is due next year.

http://www.mediaweek.co.uk/news/rss/...estone-Smooth/”

Guess they are after the BBC TV DSO fund surplus which might also go to broadband or regional TV rather than DAB!

Smooth (2.8m) is not the 2nd most listened to commercial radio station after Classic as Heart (7.7m) Galaxy/Capital (5m ish) Kiss (3.7m) and if Magic (3.7) each combine into single stations will have more total listeners according to Rajar!

He says about Nokia phones having DAB chips, not sure about this but some Samsung and LG phones have DMB chips which should be able to pick up DAB, but are not enabled in the UK!
Originally Posted by Amara:
“I really like Smooth BUT asome songs like Seal, Paloma Faith & Eliza Dolittle need to be dropped or drastically cut back on rotation.”

He also says about listeners like new music, much of it fits the easy listening format very well, but some listeners will be unfamilar with the songs and artists, but I think most 40+ year olds like them!
Paloma and Eliza seem like they will be at home in the 1930's!!.
There are some great up and coming new artists with good easy listening material which should be played.
Bish_Bash
07-10-2010
Originally Posted by hanssolo:
“Seems some older DAB sets do not cope well with 112k whereas other sets are OK, see the In Car DAB Reception Problem thread!”

Thanks for the tip, I was using an evoke-1 hooked up to an even older Pioneer A-300 amp with Senheiser HD595 headpones, I've got a newer evoke flow to re-test on, but I'm gonna have to be quick before the comparison dissapears the downside to doing it now is that a lil beer alters the hearing, so gonna check it tomorrow
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