Anybody know where this came from and where the others from this set are? (Somebody told me there were more.)
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/5116/rtdgdlset.jpg
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/5116/rtdgdlset.jpg
RTD 'Ranting' at Gareth-David-Lloyd on the COE set during filming??
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Never heard of this... why is that 'ranting' rather than roaring with laughter or doing a big, daft RTD silly voice?
Originally Posted by tallorder:
“Never heard of this... why is that 'ranting' rather than roaring with laughter or doing a big, daft RTD silly voice?”
“Never heard of this... why is that 'ranting' rather than roaring with laughter or doing a big, daft RTD silly voice?”
Originally Posted by Granny McSmith:
“It's just a picture of RTD and GDL. Who says he's ranting?”
“It's just a picture of RTD and GDL. Who says he's ranting?”
I thought he was laughing too
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Again why assume he's ranting - I hate to raise the spectre of the Writer's Tale but judging by his appreciation of GDL acting and attributes I doubt he'd rant at him. Just a conversation I think.
He's saying "We've got this Pandorica here. We can put you inside and you can come out for the finale."
I think it's just RTD being an enormous over-enthusing homosexual Welshman - probably telling a filthy joke!
Originally Posted by Muttley76:
“looks like he is laughing to me.”
“looks like he is laughing to me.”
Aye. Looks like a friendly chin-wag.
The only time I know RTD got angry on DW or its spin-offs was the time the second London bus was wrecked during the POTD shoot (Davies "exploded", according to this Telegraph article).
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/t...s-wrecked.html
Originally Posted by Residents Fan:
“Aye. Looks like a friendly chin-wag.
The only time I know RTD got angry on DW or its spin-offs was the time the second London bus was wrecked during the POTD shoot (Davies "exploded", according to this Telegraph article).
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/t...s-wrecked.html”
“Aye. Looks like a friendly chin-wag.
The only time I know RTD got angry on DW or its spin-offs was the time the second London bus was wrecked during the POTD shoot (Davies "exploded", according to this Telegraph article).
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/t...s-wrecked.html”
Obviously that's where he got the idea for Captain Jack's explosion then carrying on as normal...
It's a fast paced, high pressured show, I don't expect everyone to be all nicey nicey cagey monkey 24 hours a day.
I doubt there was anything more than random flare-ups due to stress though, apart from Chris Eccleston I imagine they're all still talking to one another, if not best buddies then on friendly terms enough to have a chat at an awards ceremony or something.
Originally Posted by broadshoulder:
“Gareth probably told him it was a shit script.”
“Gareth probably told him it was a shit script.”
Do you think so?
I'm not a big TW fan (except for Rhys...I love Rhys), but I thought CoE was exceptionally good - script, acting, pacing, everything.
You know, you could take a moment out of most conversations and make them look like someone was ranting. Big deal over nothing.
Have the Save Ianto Jones idiots got wind of this photo yet? Those crazy girls will say it's 'evidence' of bullying or unfair dismissal or something.
One looks like he's telling an enormous joke and the other looks wryly amused.
Not much of a 'rant', is it?
Besides John Barrowman's second autobiography is really astonishingly candid (on such subjects as his annoyance over the mini-series concept of CoE, and his falling out with director Euros Lyn) and there's not the merest hint of any trouble on set for anyone with Davies.
Not much of a 'rant', is it?
Besides John Barrowman's second autobiography is really astonishingly candid (on such subjects as his annoyance over the mini-series concept of CoE, and his falling out with director Euros Lyn) and there's not the merest hint of any trouble on set for anyone with Davies.
Originally Posted by Nuallain:
“One looks like he's telling an enormous joke and the other looks wryly amused.
Not much of a 'rant', is it?
Besides John Barrowman's second autobiography is really astonishingly candid (on such subjects as his annoyance over the mini-series concept of CoE, and his falling out with director Euros Lyn) and there's not the merest hint of any trouble on set for anyone with Davies.”
“One looks like he's telling an enormous joke and the other looks wryly amused.
Not much of a 'rant', is it?
Besides John Barrowman's second autobiography is really astonishingly candid (on such subjects as his annoyance over the mini-series concept of CoE, and his falling out with director Euros Lyn) and there's not the merest hint of any trouble on set for anyone with Davies.”
Any chance you could give us more details : )
Yes: more goss please. I haven't read the book (or seen Torchwood for that matter), but would like to know more!
Well, he writes about considering the five episode season an insult and feeling frustrated that the harder the Torchwood team worked, and the higher the ratings they brought the BBC, the less respect they got. IIRC he also says he found Davies' attempts to argue that it was a sign of prestige to get this great one-week drama slot unconvincing (and, indeed, Davies has since admitted he was trying to be upbeat and positive for the sake of the team about something he wasn't hugely happy about himself).
The other thing is that writes about finding Euros Lyn very difficult to work with. Their problems seemed to be grounded in Lyn's desire to get an underplayed, more introspective performance out of Barrowman and Barrowman's push-back that such an approach was wrong for Jack. The sticking point was that Lyn didn't so much make the suggestion, as mount take after take after take after take till he got what he wanted - leading IIRC a frustrated Barrowman to storm off the set in a temper on one occassion.
Reading between the lines, it seems like Lyn took inspiration from Nicholas Meyers' comment on making Star Trek II -- that the key to directing William Shatner was to make him do so many takes he became too tired and beaten down to 'do his William Shatner routine' and simply acted instead.
Which, in both Shatner and Barrowman's cases, seems to lead, ironically, to the director to get the best performances out of them being the ones they got on with the least well.
The other thing is that writes about finding Euros Lyn very difficult to work with. Their problems seemed to be grounded in Lyn's desire to get an underplayed, more introspective performance out of Barrowman and Barrowman's push-back that such an approach was wrong for Jack. The sticking point was that Lyn didn't so much make the suggestion, as mount take after take after take after take till he got what he wanted - leading IIRC a frustrated Barrowman to storm off the set in a temper on one occassion.
Reading between the lines, it seems like Lyn took inspiration from Nicholas Meyers' comment on making Star Trek II -- that the key to directing William Shatner was to make him do so many takes he became too tired and beaten down to 'do his William Shatner routine' and simply acted instead.
Which, in both Shatner and Barrowman's cases, seems to lead, ironically, to the director to get the best performances out of them being the ones they got on with the least well.
That's interesting. I don't remember thinking that JB's performance was toned down in CoE. The content of the series was darker, so naturally that was reflected in the performances.
I thought the acting was excellent throughout.
What is it with the BBC? Their decisions are very difficult to fathom, sometimes.
Btw, I like my Captains, Kirk and Jack to be definitely OTT. That's what I watch them for!
I thought the acting was excellent throughout.
What is it with the BBC? Their decisions are very difficult to fathom, sometimes.
Btw, I like my Captains, Kirk and Jack to be definitely OTT. That's what I watch them for!
Originally Posted by Nuallain:
“Well, he writes about considering the five episode season an insult and feeling frustrated that the harder the Torchwood team worked, and the higher the ratings they brought the BBC, the less respect they got. IIRC he also says he found Davies' attempts to argue that it was a sign of prestige to get this great one-week drama slot unconvincing (and, indeed, Davies has since admitted he was trying to be upbeat and positive for the sake of the team about something he wasn't hugely happy about himself).”
“Well, he writes about considering the five episode season an insult and feeling frustrated that the harder the Torchwood team worked, and the higher the ratings they brought the BBC, the less respect they got. IIRC he also says he found Davies' attempts to argue that it was a sign of prestige to get this great one-week drama slot unconvincing (and, indeed, Davies has since admitted he was trying to be upbeat and positive for the sake of the team about something he wasn't hugely happy about himself).”
Though it would have been nice to have a full run (with COE maybe playing out of the last four episodes as the series climax), I think the fact that the show got bumped up a channel every series suggests the opposite. A thirteen week series in the 9pm slot on the main channel is a big move to make for (at the time of series 2) a relatively average rating, rather expensive (by UK tv norms) drama.
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“The other thing is that writes about finding Euros Lyn very difficult to work with. Their problems seemed to be grounded in Lyn's desire to get an underplayed, more introspective performance out of Barrowman and Barrowman's push-back that such an approach was wrong for Jack. The sticking point was that Lyn didn't so much make the suggestion, as mount take after take after take after take till he got what he wanted - leading IIRC a frustrated Barrowman to storm off the set in a temper on one occassion.
Reading between the lines, it seems like Lyn took inspiration from Nicholas Meyers' comment on making Star Trek II -- that the key to directing William Shatner was to make him do so many takes he became too tired and beaten down to 'do his William Shatner routine' and simply acted instead.
Which, in both Shatner and Barrowman's cases, seems to lead, ironically, to the director to get the best performances out of them being the ones they got on with the least well.”
“The other thing is that writes about finding Euros Lyn very difficult to work with. Their problems seemed to be grounded in Lyn's desire to get an underplayed, more introspective performance out of Barrowman and Barrowman's push-back that such an approach was wrong for Jack. The sticking point was that Lyn didn't so much make the suggestion, as mount take after take after take after take till he got what he wanted - leading IIRC a frustrated Barrowman to storm off the set in a temper on one occassion.
Reading between the lines, it seems like Lyn took inspiration from Nicholas Meyers' comment on making Star Trek II -- that the key to directing William Shatner was to make him do so many takes he became too tired and beaten down to 'do his William Shatner routine' and simply acted instead.
Which, in both Shatner and Barrowman's cases, seems to lead, ironically, to the director to get the best performances out of them being the ones they got on with the least well.”
Does he agree with Euros in hindsight or does he still feel that he should have been left to play it how he felt was right for Jack?
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“Does he agree with Euros in hindsight or does he still feel that he should have been left to play it how he felt was right for Jack?”
“Does he agree with Euros in hindsight or does he still feel that he should have been left to play it how he felt was right for Jack?”
He's still sure he was right and Lyn wrong.
It's very hard to see from this picture exactly what is happening. It doesn't look like ranting, more like RTD trying to explain something serious.....could be anything to be honest!!!
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