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Sugar 'regrets hiring Michelle Dewberry'
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Sweet FA
02-10-2010
Originally Posted by LadyCake:
“...It's a shame that Dewberry was so useless! Yasmin became pregnant after only 18 months ish there I think. It's not the best advert for employing women of "child bearing age" but pregnancy is a part of life...

I think he didn't like Badger so couldn't see the point of hiring her. She was the best candidate that series , though. It's nice of him to acknowledge it”

Not even Lord Alan has said this so unless she's worked for you personally how on earth do you know this? You seem to be ignoring the fact the job she was hired for wasn't all that either - certainly not worth putting one's life on hold for!
pulltheotherone
02-10-2010
I think the fact that sugar follows Ruth on Twitter, but not Michelle says alot.
Tercet2
03-10-2010
Originally Posted by pulltheotherone:
“I think the fact that sugar follows Ruth on Twitter, but not Michelle says alot.”

I wouldn't read too much into that. He's new to twitter and possibly hasn't used the find people tool. Afterall with 45k followers he's getting inundated...with a number of abusive idiots too trying to get 15 nanoseconds of pointless fame lol. He got stung by a fake Nick Hewer recently. He's on a learning curve here. Of course, as the main reason for using twitter is to plug the book, plug The Apprentice and feed ego, people need to come to him. Some ex apprentices are more sycophantic than others and have made themselves known. Ok a little unfair, some are unwilling to admit they were done over, or just plain unaware, or swallow the shite and love the attention. I think they thank Sugar, but it's actually Talkback Thames they need to thank for the exposure. Others, like Ruth are relentlessly self promoting their business and other business 'activities' (note to Ruth, Raef & Lee, your tweets are very very boring, where's the real person that makes people want to connect?)

Basically, though looking at who people follow is a bit like looking what books they have on display as an insight, it's too early to say with Sugar. I don't feel he's bitter about what happened with Michelle, a little regretful yes.
thenetworkbabe
03-10-2010
Originally Posted by Kyle123:
“Sorry. I have to say, I find that posts like this are way to often carted out on here. People make out Michelle spent the whole series milking her tough life for all it was worth, and that SAS gave her special treatment as a result. I know your post isnt the worst for it, but so many times people make out Michelle desperatly mentioned it at every chance she got to get a leg-up.

In reality, Michelle said or did nothing about it until asked in the penultimate boardroom, and even then was rather coy about her answer. He asks her if she treats her family, to which she replies "they get what they want" hardly desperatly flaunting her background like people suggest.

Michelle was a perfectly competent contestant, and got on with the job without being overly flashy or showboating. Ruth was probably superior to her, and based on ten weeks work deserved to win, but I totally understand the decision to hire Michelle. I'd much rather have someone like Michelle working for me than someone like Ruth, even if she was a bloody fantastic candidate.”

Don't think Michelle was weaker in any way than Ruth. On CV Michelle won.On academics it was a draw as neither had them. On smarts I think Michelle was at least as smart if not smarter. On the tasks Michelle won. Ruth could sell on the show but she wouldn't sell anything to a lot of people who dislike pushy sales people. Michelle had also set up the type of company SAS was thinking off in the job on offer and had experience of negotiating contracts with overseas suppliers which was also part of the job spec. On the last ground alone Michelle was an obvious choice.

Can't see how he can blame Michelle for not sticking with the idea he sent her away to work up. It was clearly a dud idea which is reportedly what she concluded and if its never seen the light of day its because no one else could turn it into a sensible one either.

The reality is that a lot of SAS jobs look either dull or dead end and over the series, if you look at the winners, Michelle and Ruth were both more impressive than most of them.
pulltheotherone
04-10-2010
Originally Posted by Tercet2:
“I wouldn't read too much into that. He's new to twitter and possibly hasn't used the find people tool. Afterall with 45k followers he's getting inundated...with a number of abusive idiots too trying to get 15 nanoseconds of pointless fame lol. He got stung by a fake Nick Hewer recently. He's on a learning curve here. Of course, as the main reason for using twitter is to plug the book, plug The Apprentice and feed ego, people need to come to him. Some ex apprentices are more sycophantic than others and have made themselves known. Ok a little unfair, some are unwilling to admit they were done over, or just plain unaware, or swallow the shite and love the attention. I think they thank Sugar, but it's actually Talkback Thames they need to thank for the exposure. Others, like Ruth are relentlessly self promoting their business and other business 'activities' (note to Ruth, Raef & Lee, your tweets are very very boring, where's the real person that makes people want to connect?)

Basically, though looking at who people follow is a bit like looking what books they have on display as an insight, it's too early to say with Sugar. I don't feel he's bitter about what happened with Michelle, a little regretful yes.”

Haven't read his book, but had a look at the photo's in it, and Sugar has a photo of all the Apprentice winners except Michelle, OUCH!
Tercet2
04-10-2010
Originally Posted by pulltheotherone:
“Haven't read his book, but had a look at the photo's in it, and Sugar has a photo of all the Apprentice winners except Michelle, OUCH!”

Yeah, that does sort of say something I grant you. Bit unnecessary you'd have thought. Could work the other way however, for a photo to appear the subject has to agree. But I can't she why she wouldn't.

So was there a photo of that soddin' e-mailer?
BelligerentBoss
04-10-2010
Originally Posted by pulltheotherone:
“Haven't read his book, but had a look at the photo's in it, and Sugar has a photo of all the Apprentice winners except Michelle, OUCH!”

1- He chose not to include her picture.
2- Her contract with him and/or the program makers was deemed invalid.
3- An out of court/mutual agreement exists preventing any publication of her picture.

Just guesses of course! It is a very strange thing to hear of this.
LadyCake
04-10-2010
Originally Posted by Sweet FA:
“Not even Lord Alan has said this so unless she's worked for you personally how on earth do you know this? You seem to be ignoring the fact the job she was hired for wasn't all that either - certainly not worth putting one's life on hold for!”

It's obvious he didn't enjoy working with her so I inferred that he found her useless. As for the job , it's not that good a prize for some contestants (it always looks boring to me) but the exposure and guaranteed six figure income makes it attractive for most.
pulltheotherone
04-10-2010
Originally Posted by Tercet2:
“So was there a photo of that soddin' e-mailer?”

No!
pulltheotherone
04-10-2010
Originally Posted by BelligerentBoss:
“1- He chose not to include her picture.
2- Her contract with him and/or the program makers was deemed invalid.
3- An out of court/mutual agreement exists preventing any publication of her picture.

Just guesses of course! It is a very strange thing to hear of this.”

The photo's look like they are from the BBC, so I would imagine Sugar could of used one of their photo's of Michelle, but I could be wrong?
Tercet2
05-10-2010
Originally Posted by pulltheotherone:
“The photo's look like they are from the BBC, so I would imagine Sugar could of used one of their photo's of Michelle, but I could be wrong?”

Well their contract would have allowed any Apprentice related publicity. But that's for Talkback, Taylor Herring and the BBC. Sugar is just another performer like the candidates in that respect, and the publishers would have to get permission, maybe pay a fee. I can't imagine they would say no to having their photos in a book by someone far more famous than them. Pity they didn't shoot new photos rather than just grab part of a press pack. Be a nicer touch, less cheap, less mercenary IMHO. Still provided the 'apprentices' don't embarrass him, he really doesn't care that much. Which possibly explains Michelle

I asked about the e-mailer as he has never admitted the thing was a huge let down financially. As well as a running joke he has to put up with/ignore. He's astonishingly touchy about how the public view him and PR is everything. Michelle may not have been a mistake to win, the mistake was not being able to keep her. If you're that great a business, why not? He doesn't like being shown up.
It would be inconvievable though if he just ignored her in the text.

As her contract with his company would have been for a year, there would have been a settlement contract to end it half way through. Some sort of confidentiality clause would have certainly been in there. That's very common. Considering the media interest would make it mandatory and watertight in this case. As she's not stupid, any clauses would have been binding on both sides. They usually are anyway.
BelligerentBoss
05-10-2010
Originally Posted by Tercet2:
“...As her contract with his company would have been for a year, there would have been a settlement contract to end it half way through. Some sort of confidentiality clause would have certainly been in there. That's very common. Considering the media interest would make it mandatory and watertight in this case. As she's not stupid, any clauses would have been binding on both sides. They usually are anyway.”

Agreed, same as my point 3. This for me is the strongest cause. A clause of an ACAS arbitration maybe? No one will really know, it'll remain guesswork!
Sweet FA
05-10-2010
Originally Posted by LadyCake:
“It's obvious he didn't enjoy working with her so I inferred that he found her useless. As for the job , it's not that good a prize for some contestants (it always looks boring to me) but the exposure and guaranteed six figure income makes it attractive for most.”

So basically you're projecting.

Maybe the role was useless. Some people have boredom thresholds, six figure income notwithstanding...
thenetworkbabe
06-10-2010
Originally Posted by Sweet FA:
“So basically you're projecting.

Maybe the role was useless. Some people have boredom thresholds, six figure income notwithstanding...”

The job was to evaluate and start up a new concept (recycled computers?) She evaluated it and found it was a dud concept. That made implementing it impossible for the rest of the year. We don't know what happened or was offered next, or if it was a real job or a doable one do we?
Styker
15-10-2010
What seemed to win him over was stupid as well. He seemed won over when he asked if her family where proud of her or something and she said yes, and thenn she said, they get what they want!

He replied that he liked that!

So, you give your family whatever they want and thats the reason to win?

Until Yasmina, AS never appointed the strongest candidate to win imo.

Have to say though, Michelle Dewbury is gorgeous. One of the best looking girls ever on that programme.
Pussyfootin
15-10-2010
From memory Michelle and Ruth both worked for him for around six months after filming ended, before the winner was chosen and shown in Tv.

The job he gave her was rubbish and I think he was also annoyed by her personal life, and a combination of the two led to her leaving.
pharoah
15-10-2010
Originally Posted by Pussyfootin:
“From memory Michelle and Ruth both worked for him for around six months after filming ended, before the winner was chosen and shown in Tv.

The job he gave her was rubbish and I think he was also annoyed by her personal life, and a combination of the two led to her leaving.”

Exactly. Why should the winner be commited to the job when the role given to them is bloody awful. They can make their annual salary from 'deals' elsewhere.

I've read that from next year he'll be giving them money to invest in a business rather than a job. That seems better overall. Yasmina was given Digital Signage for Christ's sake. Why would a woman who owned her own restaurant be passionate about that!
Tercet2
15-10-2010
Originally Posted by pharoah:
“Exactly. Why should the winner be commited to the job when the role given to them is bloody awful. They can make their annual salary from 'deals' elsewhere.

I've read that from next year he'll be giving them money to invest in a business rather than a job. That seems better overall. Yasmina was given Digital Signage for Christ's sake. Why would a woman who owned her own restaurant be passionate about that!”

Because you work a 90 hour week and don't get to do things like this and network like crazy
http://www.dailydooh.com/archives/34508

And you still get to be a silent(ish) partner in your restaurant. Recently listed as the 50th best in the UK
http://www.getreading.co.uk/lifestyl...made_top_table
gemma-the-husky
16-10-2010
i've said befre Sir Alan hasnt picked one decent apprentice in any series

Trump is a far better judge.
soulmate61
16-10-2010
Originally Posted by Socha:
“In the last episode and when he presented her as his apprentice he looked almost infatuated with her, maybe in a fatherly kind of way.
”

He was not the only one.

Three other middle-aged men in interview week praised Michelle to the skies. After they delivered their eulogies Margaret spoke with utmost directness, that Michelle bewitched (what was her exact word?) all three of them. At this one man (the rough-speaking one) looked taken aback and slightly wondering whether he had indeed been taken in by beauty. It would be easy to surmise that Mararet who was no longer young and beautiful was jealous of Michelle who was, and not jealous of Ruth who was not.

Margaret's voice was the woman's voice, and the only woman in the selection process, and her direct judgment was ignored. I sit on no high horse as I was in love with Michelle myself, hard not to be. Let men beware, on the subject of women not to dismiss a woman's intuition out of hand.

Michelle declared, with eyes moist, to the effect she would die to land the job. She did, then showed she preferred Syed to the job. Did not even hang on a little and persist. Did Kristina come in the season after Michelle? Perhaps Siralun thought Kristina was Michelle Mark II?
-Sid-
16-10-2010
I'm still glad Sugar didn't hire Ruth. Her main talent was selling, and whilst she was outstanding in that department, there wasn't much else to her.

Ruth's interpersonal skills left a lot to be desired. She worked better on her own.
Monkseal
16-10-2010
One thing I always remember about that series is that there was a poll on the BBC website asking viewers which of the final two they wanted to win. Michelle crushed Ruth by about a 75 to 25% margin. And yet now the opposite seems to be the majority opinion.
Sweet FA
16-10-2010
Originally Posted by Monkseal:
“One thing I always remember about that series is that there was a poll on the BBC website asking viewers which of the final two they wanted to win. Michelle crushed Ruth by about a 75 to 25% margin. And yet now the opposite seems to be the majority opinion.”

A few posters on here isn't representative of anything...
meglosmurmurs
16-10-2010
Originally Posted by -Sid-:
“I'm still glad Sugar didn't hire Ruth. Her main talent was selling, and whilst she was outstanding in that department, there wasn't much else to her.

Ruth's interpersonal skills left a lot to be desired. She worked better on her own.”

You are right about her concentrating on herself. Maybe the reason why her team lost so many times was because she bulldozed through the task getting the best results for herself, leaving the rest of the team with scraps.

Originally Posted by Monkseal:
“One thing I always remember about that series is that there was a poll on the BBC website asking viewers which of the final two they wanted to win. Michelle crushed Ruth by about a 75 to 25% margin. And yet now the opposite seems to be the majority opinion.”

Since that series, I suppose Michelle has got alot of criticism from Lord Sugar, fans of the show and any Apprentice-related programme, whereas Ruth seems to be endlessly praised. lol
trollface
16-10-2010
Originally Posted by LadyCake:
“It's obvious he didn't enjoy working with her so I inferred that he found her useless.”

I seem to remember reading an article once which said that there were clashes between Michelle and Surallen over her "lifestyle". Which I read between the lines as "she's young and likes to party".

Can't find that article now, though.
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