I'd agree with this - Hayley did look weaker in comparison to the rest of the pros. I also think it's only fair to give Jared & the new boys more time before we start judging them.

And perhaps we can get back to now (yes, the redhead one...)

Let's see how many forumers pounce on that throwaway comment to justify their right to post what they like when and where they like and generally adopt a defensive stance...

You all crack me up!

You seem to be ogling for a fight and disappointed that most posters like Aliona.

So despite the suggestion you look at the Aliona Appreciation Thread as a perfect example of people liking Aliona, plus three pages of posts that contain plenty of on topic replies, you want us to post some more so you can have a good laugh?

You will get a reputation as a WUM if that's the case.

If you think this thread has gone off topic, goodness only knows what you'd have made of pandacam!

Quit moaning

I think that has already been a suggestion by many ,

She's deeply, tragically, and irrevocably boring.

Next?

I'm not looking for a fight. I'm sharing an observation.

I'm not criticising anyone by directly calling them deeply, tragically and irrevocably boring. I'm making a fair comment about the thread spiralling off on a tangent and that the defensive people were going to feel the need to HAVE to have their say by replying... Which has just been proved correct.

I'm also not gender-stereotyping (she's a he).

I'm familiar with forum etiquette having moderated many but I didn't realise it was offensive to so many people to make an honest comment and be curtly informed I'm labelled a WUM by the playground bullies.

To quote so many of you. It's a public forum and I'm not breaking any rules, so why feel
the need to take such an offensive stance.

I thought I was actually contributing some thought-provoking threads, but clearly I'm an idiot and a WUM.

If you had used a different title and first paragraph, you might have had a discussion thread.

Those are the bits that made it look like a wind up.

Your title says 'why hate Aliona', a question which provokes debate.

Your original post was bemoaning the lack of positive posts about her. You were then directed to her Appreciation thread by several people, which basically rendered this thread answered and the mods could have closed it then.

Instead others started saying that they believed Aliona was not worthy of a place on the show, and then those who feel she is began defending her, which turned into a debate about the merits of focusing on pros' competitive CVs alone. Nothing off-topic at all. If you want to build yourself a reputation of being argumentative, that's your prerogative, but please don't lecture people in going off-topic when we were having the constructive debate you claim to want to have.

Did you go to the Aliona Appreciation thread at all? You'll find the positive posts you were originally looking for in there

Please, please, PLEASE show me where I have attempted to lecture anyone.

I am not argumentative, I have been misinterpreted repeatedly and no amount of explaining seems to be registering - which is rather frustrating as I'm sure you can imagine - particularly when a mere comment provokes childish name calling and as much vehement arguing as I have been told I'm apparantly adding. That sort of confirms the playful second part of the comment I originally made.

Now I seem to be guilty of going off on a tangent, so to bring this mess to a conclusion - I like Aliona. You may not and I'm keen to hear why - discuss...

Boxes ticked?

I'm not sure why you don't think that question hasn't already been answered. In this thread we have discussed the fact that actually quite a lot of people do like her, and where you can see proof of that. That some people don't like her choreography or think she showed off too much with Rav. That some people don't think the producers should have replaced world champions with someone who lacks anything approaching the same credentials. And finally, that her hair is distracting!

What, that you couldn't find the "appreciation" forum?


Because your OP was, frankly, wrong. And that was pointed out, almost immediately.

So we're just babbling now.


Your OP and thread title was not honest - or if it was, it displayed a certain lack of knowledge about how to navigate a forum.

I think some of the comments are a bit hard on the OP.

Maybe using the word hate was a bit strong in the title but it was an interesting and valid topic for discussion.

It's difficult to believe that the OP wanted a discussion, because the OP was so clearly biased - and, well, totally wrong.


What topic?

Seriously.

There Is No Topic.

The topic, as I understood it, was why Aliona doesn't seem to attract the same level of enthusiasm from posters on DS as other pros.

Compared to some of the tripe that gets posted on this board I thought it was a valid question (and yes, I do realise that I contribute some of the tripe ).

I have obviously missed the point completely (as usual) and this is some kind of conspiracy theory.

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/s...091&highlight=
Here in your first post .Perhaps not lecturing but certainely patronising and bossy .
Thats my opinion on the matter .

Nope, the topic was "Why does everyone hate her"; from the OP:


And as the answer is "they don't", there's not much of a topic left to discusss...

I asked a question - why hate Aliona?

A question tends to warrant a discussion particularly when there's many people with different opinions. So in what respect is there NO topic. If I had wanted to read post after post praising her, I would have turned to the appreciation thread. I didn't. My question implied I wanted to hear why people didn't warm to her. That's very different. So that's that cleared up... Hopefully.

Everyone keeps making very misguided accusations that I'm argumentative and trying to lecture people. Again, not one person can actually quote me to show me how. And yet this thread has now gone so off topic with people adamantly telling me if I wanted to read positive comments (which I've explained I didn't), I should've gone to the appreciation thread (lecturing?), stop moaning (lecturing?), I'm a WUM and generally reaffirming the forum is a school playground, and my thread had no topic to start with (an opinion not held by everyone which is open to debate - and
hopefully now covered by the above explanation). But that we have now also been told, as fact - not as an individual's own opinion, this is not correct. Seriously. (argumentative?) we have also been told that the existing responses should have already answered my original question and therefore we are now babbling - since when is a thread limited to a certain amount of responses
(lecturing?)

If people choose to argue, and I choose that word carefully, grammar, semantics, validation of another person's own opinion rather than focus on a very simple question - why hate Aliona - that's their prerogative too, but I find it very unproductive and hypocritical when their opinions, although not always expressed as such, are equally as spammy - particularly when they avoid simple questions like - show me an example of where I've acted like you're saying I have as I'm very open to where you're getting this from.

That's my personal opinion however and I understand if not everyone sees it the same way... Have to make that clear.

Simples!



I don't see

I quote your post below, where you were telling us all to get back on-topic when we were actually still discussing Aliona in the context of a comparison to Nicole and Karen and the other professionals in general. I was trying to have a discussion in this thread, so the 'perhaps we can now get back on-topic' in your post below was not appreciated. That's all I have objected to. There was a discussion going on in this thread which your interlude interrupted, and it was my impression that you had wanted a debate, so now I'm entirely confused as to what your point is. If you want to discuss Aliona in a positive light, she has an appreciation thread. If you want a discussion of different opinions on her, then perhaps your original post has misled people, who thought all you wanted was a pointing to where the positive posts were.

And if you read my responses in this thread you'll see that i do like Aliona and have been defending her. You said you had searched and not found any positive comments about her and I and others directed you to her appreciation thread, so I don't see how that doesn't answer the original point of this thread.

I'm interested in the context of this thread to see what people thought of Aliona's choreo last night? She obviously has a very talented celeb, so why the gimmicks? This is something I don't like from any pro... for me, props like that should be saved for when you need to distract the audience from the fact that the celeb isn't very good.

Matt will obviously be in for a long run, so I hope Aliona can do him better justice with her choreo in weeks to come.

im a fan of Aliona and so pleased she is back this year and with someone like Matt, i dont want to see anymore props though

I'm definitely a fan - www.alionavilani.co.uk

I thought the gimmicks perfectly suited the fun cha cha cha, Aliona was very clever with her choreography and I thought they thoroughly deserved 31. Just hope she doesn't over-do the choreography for the foxtrot. Gimmicks don't work in every dance, but last night was enjoyable, especially as I remembered their randomness about wellies on Twitter

Best choreographers last night in my opinion were James, Ola and Aliona - and two of those used gimmicks. Ola because she basically had to and made it work. Aliona because she wanted to and it added to the fun of the dance