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Well we will obviously have to agree to disagree then and I bow to your obvious superior knowledge (not)
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Who is the seventh?
![]() John Sergeant effect and she won't bow out if the judges don't like her.
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Well we will obviously have to agree to disagree then and I bow to your obvious superior knowledge (not)
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I don't think that's true at all - would anyone have thought that Chris last year would be able to do a very good foxtrot after watching his first week tango? And before I get a million responses saying Chris was not a good dancer, he was in comparison to where he started from. Good dancer does not mean 'the best' dancer, that is entirely subjective.
And how on earth can you tell someone's potential at Latin if they do a ballroom dance first? Cherie was brilliant at ballroom but she was not good at Latin, and you couldn't tell that just from watching her Foxtrot! So don't write Jimi and Flavia off. It's not that you can tell if someone is good at latin having only seen them do ballroom. It's that you can tell whether someone will ever be a good dancer based on seeing them dance. |
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I think the comparison between Chris' week 1 rumba and the one he did towards the end showed that he didn't really progress much at all. He started off quite good, and ended up in more or less the same place. He did get better at remembering routines as he went on.
(Although to be fair, I think it's generally overstated how much people improve over time. At very specific things maybe, but their overall standard of dancing doesn't really shift that much, especially as they keep changing disciplines every five seconds) |
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Based on week one opinions Colin Jackson and Ricky Whttle shoud have walked it and Darren Gough shouldn't have got within a month of the finals, never mind winning it.
I can't remember seeing anyone who was the obvious choice in week one ending up winning it. Who am I forgetting? |
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Based on week one opinions Colin Jackson and Ricky Whttle shoud have walked it and Darren Gough shouldn't have got within a month of the finals, never mind winning it.
I can't remember seeing anyone who was the obvious choice in week one ending up winning it. Who am I forgetting? |
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Gethin did a very mediocre Cha Cha Cha first dance and scored much the same as Jimi so I dont think your first impressions always works.
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Alesha maybe I cant remember now how good her week 1 was.
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Matt's approaching 2-1 best odds. I can't remember anyone being such a solid favourite this early on. Strictly punters are notoriously stupid, but in this case I think they're right. Barring an injury I'd say it's an open and shut case.
Matt's obviously by far the best dancer on this basis. He looked like a pro. I can't remember seeing a better first dance, even with all the comedy rubbish stuff at the start. Timing, performance, technique. We've not seen the ballroom, but he's so far ahead of the others that everyone will be playing catchup on that performance. Dance-wise, Matt is the one to beat. |
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I still maintain that Matt will be hampered by Aliona in the end. If Jimi has any king of journey then I think he might do it........Flavia's fans are a force to be reckoned with.
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I think the comparison between Chris' week 1 rumba and the one he did towards the end showed that he didn't really progress much at all. He started off quite good, and ended up in more or less the same place. He did get better at remembering routines as he went on.
(Although to be fair, I think it's generally overstated how much people improve over time. At very specific things maybe, but their overall standard of dancing doesn't really shift that much, especially as they keep changing disciplines every five seconds) |
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I'm sorry but Chris Hollins was not a good dancer. He was mediocre at best. That's just a fact. He got better than where he started from like you said but that does not mean that he ended up good lol. It just means he got less rubbish. Best I agree is entirely subjective. It implies that among good dancers you get to pick and choose which impresses you more. But that doesn't mean that you can look at someone who's mediocre and someone who is clearly a dancer and say the mediocre guy is better. You can prefer them but it's nothing really to do with dancing then is it.
It's not that you can tell if someone is good at latin having only seen them do ballroom. It's that you can tell whether someone will ever be a good dancer based on seeing them dance. |
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John Sergeant effect and she won't bow out if the judges don't like her.
