Does anyone know if 2|Entertain plan to release the classic series onto blu-ray or not, in my opinion I highly doubt it because they can't really improve the picture and audio quality anymore and it wouldn't look much different to the DVD releases, they would also probably have to make a load more special features which I doubt they could afford, what do you think?
What will be the future of The Classic Doctor Who Series?
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Originally Posted by Who-Fan63:
“Does anyone know if 2|Entertain plan to release the classic series onto blu-ray or not, in my opinion I highly doubt it because they can't really improve the picture and audio quality anymore and it wouldn't look much different to the DVD releases, they would also probably have to make a load more special features which I doubt they could afford, what do you think?”
“Does anyone know if 2|Entertain plan to release the classic series onto blu-ray or not, in my opinion I highly doubt it because they can't really improve the picture and audio quality anymore and it wouldn't look much different to the DVD releases, they would also probably have to make a load more special features which I doubt they could afford, what do you think?”
It wont happen as there is no real reason to do so,the quality is as good as Video gets,the only plus there would be is they would able to put many more episodes onto one disc which in theory should drive down costs(but things don't necessary pan out in reality)
I think this subject was discussed previously. My thoughts then as they were now, was that there is no way I would buy the whole series on Blu-Ray having spent years collecting the Videos and then the DVD's. It's just too much!!!! 
The only way I could envisage it working is if they released season box sets of Classic Who on blu-ray with additional extras.
Originally Posted by amos_brearley:
“The only way I could envisage it working is if they released season box sets of Classic Who on blu-ray with additional extras.”
“The only way I could envisage it working is if they released season box sets of Classic Who on blu-ray with additional extras.”
This is the only way I could see a Blu-ray release happening.
Maybe even do Doctor Box sets rather than Season Box sets.
I cant see anything any time soon ,but star wars is being converted to 3-d so in the future mabye we will get 3-d doctor who. It would come when the cost goes down and by then we will probably have all missing episodes animated. After that black & white to colour. But nothing any time soon.
Technically any scenes that were originally shot on film (ie, most outdoor bits prior to the mid-80s, the entirety of at least Spearhead from Space) are candidates for an HD transfer that improves on the DVD version. But that's only if the original film survives and somebody takes the time to put together a new edit, neither of which I suppose is very likely. Even if the internet says that an episode is kept by the BBC on film, it'll usually be a transfer back to film from video tape, causing the additional definition to have been lost.
I think they eventually will, if for no other reason then DVD's (and videos) will be a forgotton format; videos are now to some extent, it's not as though you can easily buy a video player these days.
With the relatively low cost of a Blu-Ray player now then it's only a matter of time before the DVD players start being phased out which will eventually lead to the format being removed from the shelves as videos were.
With the relatively low cost of a Blu-Ray player now then it's only a matter of time before the DVD players start being phased out which will eventually lead to the format being removed from the shelves as videos were.
Relatively low cost? Since when?
Last time I looked, a good Blu-ray player (think equivalent to a decent Cambridge Audio one) was around 300 quid..
Last time I looked, a good Blu-ray player (think equivalent to a decent Cambridge Audio one) was around 300 quid..
Originally Posted by alcockell:
“Relatively low cost? Since when?
Last time I looked, a good Blu-ray player (think equivalent to a decent Cambridge Audio one) was around 300 quid..”
“Relatively low cost? Since when?
Last time I looked, a good Blu-ray player (think equivalent to a decent Cambridge Audio one) was around 300 quid..”
thats High End,Low End players can be had for as low as £70
Originally Posted by JazzSP8:
“I think they eventually will, if for no other reason then DVD's (and videos) will be a forgotton format; videos are now to some extent, it's not as though you can easily buy a video player these days.
With the relatively low cost of a Blu-Ray player now then it's only a matter of time before the DVD players start being phased out which will eventually lead to the format being removed from the shelves as videos were.”
“I think they eventually will, if for no other reason then DVD's (and videos) will be a forgotton format; videos are now to some extent, it's not as though you can easily buy a video player these days.
With the relatively low cost of a Blu-Ray player now then it's only a matter of time before the DVD players start being phased out which will eventually lead to the format being removed from the shelves as videos were.”
But there' a major difference between VHS & DVD and DVD & Blu Ray, in that DVDs can be played on Blu Ray players so no need to replace a DVD with a same quality Blu Ray.
Originally Posted by JazzSP8:
“I think they eventually will, if for no other reason then DVD's (and videos) will be a forgotton format; videos are now to some extent, it's not as though you can easily buy a video player these days.
With the relatively low cost of a Blu-Ray player now then it's only a matter of time before the DVD players start being phased out which will eventually lead to the format being removed from the shelves as videos were.”
“I think they eventually will, if for no other reason then DVD's (and videos) will be a forgotton format; videos are now to some extent, it's not as though you can easily buy a video player these days.
With the relatively low cost of a Blu-Ray player now then it's only a matter of time before the DVD players start being phased out which will eventually lead to the format being removed from the shelves as videos were.”
Whilst Blu Ray has been designed to be the successor of DVD,i cant honestly see the same thing that Happened to VHS happening to DVD,i think both DVD and Blu Ray will carry on together until the next format comes along(be that Holographic Versatile Disc or whatever becomes the dominant disc based format),or even we may eventually skip to totally digital downloads,or cloud based Video Servers
Originally Posted by Adam Kelleher:
“But there' a major difference between VHS & DVD and DVD & Blu Ray, in that DVDs can be played on Blu Ray players so no need to replace a DVD with a same quality Blu Ray.”
“But there' a major difference between VHS & DVD and DVD & Blu Ray, in that DVDs can be played on Blu Ray players so no need to replace a DVD with a same quality Blu Ray.”
Yeah, I agree
Though that won't stop companies cashing in on the Blu-Ray's when they can, I've got a few that are sub-standard already - Ghostbusters for example, shockingly bad example of a Blu-Ray with no real enhancement over the DVD.
Originally Posted by GARETH197901:
“Whilst Blu Ray has been designed to be the successor of DVD,i cant honestly see the same thing that Happened to VHS happening to DVD,i think both DVD and Blu Ray will carry on together until the next format comes along(be that Holographic Versatile Disc or whatever becomes the dominant disc based format),or even we may eventually skip to totally digital downloads,or cloud based Video Servers”
“Whilst Blu Ray has been designed to be the successor of DVD,i cant honestly see the same thing that Happened to VHS happening to DVD,i think both DVD and Blu Ray will carry on together until the next format comes along(be that Holographic Versatile Disc or whatever becomes the dominant disc based format),or even we may eventually skip to totally digital downloads,or cloud based Video Servers”
I think you're probably right but I'm already seeing more shelf space dedicates to Blu-Ray releases, sure not as much as DVD's but it was only say two years ago that you'd be lucky to see even a display stand of Blu-Rays. If left long enough then I can DVD's becoming less and less value to the retail stores, there's already racks of films available for £1 or £3.
As a side note; I really hope we never see a switch to completely digital formats, I'm old skool and really like to physically handle something I've bought.
IMO if Blu-Rays get more accepted and the players lower in price, which seems to be the trends - Then more companies will adopt it and we'll begin to see the Classic Doctor Who series appear on it.
Increase in quality or not - It'll be another format for them to sell it on and the less, uhm, techie people will assume that just because it's on Blu-Ray it will be better quality (as I did with Ghostbusters
) and will therefore purchase it again.
Originally Posted by JazzSP8:
“Yeah, I agree
Though that won't stop companies cashing in on the Blu-Ray's when they can, I've got a few that are sub-standard already - Ghostbusters for example, shockingly bad example of a Blu-Ray with no real enhancement over the DVD.
I think you're probably right but I'm already seeing more shelf space dedicates to Blu-Ray releases, sure not as much as DVD's but it was only say two years ago that you'd be lucky to see even a display stand of Blu-Rays. If left long enough then I can DVD's becoming less and less value to the retail stores, there's already racks of films available for £1 or £3.
As a side note; I really hope we never see a switch to completely digital formats, I'm old skool and really like to physically handle something I've bought.
IMO if Blu-Rays get more accepted and the players lower in price, which seems to be the trends - Then more companies will adopt it and we'll begin to see the Classic Doctor Who series appear on it.
Increase in quality or not - It'll be another format for them to sell it on and the less, uhm, techie people will assume that just because it's on Blu-Ray it will be better quality (as I did with Ghostbusters ) and will therefore purchase it again.”
“Yeah, I agree
Though that won't stop companies cashing in on the Blu-Ray's when they can, I've got a few that are sub-standard already - Ghostbusters for example, shockingly bad example of a Blu-Ray with no real enhancement over the DVD.
I think you're probably right but I'm already seeing more shelf space dedicates to Blu-Ray releases, sure not as much as DVD's but it was only say two years ago that you'd be lucky to see even a display stand of Blu-Rays. If left long enough then I can DVD's becoming less and less value to the retail stores, there's already racks of films available for £1 or £3.
As a side note; I really hope we never see a switch to completely digital formats, I'm old skool and really like to physically handle something I've bought.
IMO if Blu-Rays get more accepted and the players lower in price, which seems to be the trends - Then more companies will adopt it and we'll begin to see the Classic Doctor Who series appear on it.
Increase in quality or not - It'll be another format for them to sell it on and the less, uhm, techie people will assume that just because it's on Blu-Ray it will be better quality (as I did with Ghostbusters
) and will therefore purchase it again.”
The Ghostbusters Transfer isnt that bad for the time it was made and the film stock used,its just that a lot of people think that HD transfer from 35mm film will mean a less grainy look(and that Film Grain is a bad thing),when in some cases its quite the opposite, after all without Film Grain your just left with a blank piece of film
Originally Posted by GARETH197901:
“The Ghostbusters Transfer isnt that bad for the time it was made and the film stock used,its just that a lot of people think that HD transfer from 35mm film will mean a less grainy look(and that Film Grain is a bad thing),when in some cases its quite the opposite, after all without Film Grain your just left with a blank piece of film”
“The Ghostbusters Transfer isnt that bad for the time it was made and the film stock used,its just that a lot of people think that HD transfer from 35mm film will mean a less grainy look(and that Film Grain is a bad thing),when in some cases its quite the opposite, after all without Film Grain your just left with a blank piece of film”
I know this, now, but when I purchased it I assumed it would look as good as my other Blu-Rays
I've bought "old" films that look stunning on Blu-Ray - Some of the James Bond films from the 60's look great!
Ghostbusters was very dissapointing though, I was just using that film as an example of a film being released on Blu-Ray that didn't really make an improvement over the DVD, which in IMO it didn't
Is there even that much of a market for people who give a monkeys about the difference between DVD quality and HD quality for old TV shows? Genuine question. I can see the point of HD for sport and wildlife etc, but wonder if it's of interest to people knowingly buying a load of old TV episodes. They seem to be more interested in the stories, acting, nostalgia etc. rather than replicating a modern cinema style TV experience. An experience that wasn't authentic to the original viewings (unlike, say, Bond films which were designed for the big screen). I may be wrong - haven't seen any HD'd sixties/seventies TV (and don't have a screen that would do HD justice anyway).
People have commented that some of the techniques to "improve" the quality of sixties episodes can actually detract from enjoyment.
The comment about graininess is interesting. Spielberg deliberately filmed the non-effects scenes of Close Encounters on the same grainy stock as needed for scenes intended to have effects added in post production. He did it so the audience wouldn't subconsciously notice the change in graininess and realise an effect was coming up. It meant most of the film looked of "poorer" quality than necessary, but it was worth it to get the overall experience right. It's now part of the feel of the film. I wonder whether cleaning it up would improve it? (maybe they have)
I've got some DVDs that have been cleaned up - The BFI release of Nosferatu, a 20's silent, for example. In that case it was brilliant but I think I recall the restorers said they didn't go much beyond putting the picture back to how it would have looked like first time round. (And they certainly didn't fall into that dreadful trap of applying a sepia tint. Grrr.)
And this is the killer - your DVD collection will play in a Blu Ray machine. VHS didn't fit in my DVDs player.
I can't imagine the sort of people who've spent a small fortune buying all the Who DVDs (many of whom were only replacing VHS to get the extras) starting all over again. So their market may just be new fans coming fresh to it all.
People have commented that some of the techniques to "improve" the quality of sixties episodes can actually detract from enjoyment.
The comment about graininess is interesting. Spielberg deliberately filmed the non-effects scenes of Close Encounters on the same grainy stock as needed for scenes intended to have effects added in post production. He did it so the audience wouldn't subconsciously notice the change in graininess and realise an effect was coming up. It meant most of the film looked of "poorer" quality than necessary, but it was worth it to get the overall experience right. It's now part of the feel of the film. I wonder whether cleaning it up would improve it? (maybe they have)
I've got some DVDs that have been cleaned up - The BFI release of Nosferatu, a 20's silent, for example. In that case it was brilliant but I think I recall the restorers said they didn't go much beyond putting the picture back to how it would have looked like first time round. (And they certainly didn't fall into that dreadful trap of applying a sepia tint. Grrr.)
Originally Posted by Adam Kelleher:
“But there' a major difference between VHS & DVD and DVD & Blu Ray, in that DVDs can be played on Blu Ray players so no need to replace a DVD with a same quality Blu Ray.”
“But there' a major difference between VHS & DVD and DVD & Blu Ray, in that DVDs can be played on Blu Ray players so no need to replace a DVD with a same quality Blu Ray.”
And this is the killer - your DVD collection will play in a Blu Ray machine. VHS didn't fit in my DVDs player.
I can't imagine the sort of people who've spent a small fortune buying all the Who DVDs (many of whom were only replacing VHS to get the extras) starting all over again. So their market may just be new fans coming fresh to it all.
Originally Posted by Galifrey:
“in the future mabye we will get 3-d doctor who. It would come when the cost goes down and by then we will probably have all missing episodes animated. After that black & white to colour.”
“in the future mabye we will get 3-d doctor who. It would come when the cost goes down and by then we will probably have all missing episodes animated. After that black & white to colour.”
Originally Posted by chuffnobbler:
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Missing episodes animated would be uncontroversially good though, wouldn't it?
Once all the DVDs have been released maybe a blu ray set (it is a safe bet that it wont happen) but used for the storage capabilities of blu ray and not becasue the picture would be any better.
In the future I'm sure there will be the technology to get old episodes and remaster the picture to 'hi-def' standards.
But in terms of picture quality that can be gained from blu ray the classics would be pointless as it just inst there in the original source, even after today's remastering, as good as that can be.
In the future I'm sure there will be the technology to get old episodes and remaster the picture to 'hi-def' standards.
But in terms of picture quality that can be gained from blu ray the classics would be pointless as it just inst there in the original source, even after today's remastering, as good as that can be.
Originally Posted by chuffnobbler:
“All 108 of them? The Invasion only had 2, and that wasn't commercially viable!”
“All 108 of them? The Invasion only had 2, and that wasn't commercially viable!”
I said in the future as that is what this topic is about. The price must be dropping to animate episodes as less things are animated in the way The Invasion was. If George Lucas can convert Star Wars to 3-D then the price must be dropping. He did say after all that it was to expensive a while back so it must be dropping rapidly.
Originally Posted by Galifrey:
“I said in the future as that is what this topic is about. The price must be dropping to animate episodes as less things are animated in the way The Invasion was. If George Lucas can convert Star Wars to 3-D then the price must be dropping. He did say after all that it was to expensive a while back so it must be dropping rapidly.”
“I said in the future as that is what this topic is about. The price must be dropping to animate episodes as less things are animated in the way The Invasion was. If George Lucas can convert Star Wars to 3-D then the price must be dropping. He did say after all that it was to expensive a while back so it must be dropping rapidly.”
Yeah But George Lucas's Piggy Bank is considerably Bigger than BBC Worldwide's
Originally Posted by JazzSP8:
“I know this, now, but when I purchased it I assumed it would look as good as my other Blu-Rays
I've bought "old" films that look stunning on Blu-Ray - Some of the James Bond films from the 60's look great!
Ghostbusters was very dissapointing though, I was just using that film as an example of a film being released on Blu-Ray that didn't really make an improvement over the DVD, which in IMO it didn't”
“I know this, now, but when I purchased it I assumed it would look as good as my other Blu-Rays
I've bought "old" films that look stunning on Blu-Ray - Some of the James Bond films from the 60's look great!
Ghostbusters was very dissapointing though, I was just using that film as an example of a film being released on Blu-Ray that didn't really make an improvement over the DVD, which in IMO it didn't
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The reason they look Top Notch is that the owners of that particular Franchise had Lowry Digital take 4k Masters from the Original 35mm film and did a Frame by Frame Digital Restoration of each film,hence the quality of them being stunning,they did the same with The Star Wars Original Trilogy
As for the Ghostbusters Blu Ray,its most definitely a 1080p print just very grainy
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