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katmobile
05-10-2010
Originally Posted by Balthus:
“Strictly is just a bit of sparkly fun on a Saturday night, not the World Ballroom Championships. Alesha's role on the judge's panel is to offer advice/guidance/encouragement to the celebs -- having gone through the whole experience, she knows enough about the show to be qualified to do that.”

yes it's sparkly fun which is why we have the judges we have but 'you did well babe' isn't exactly interesting to sit through if the judges don't tell us anything we don't know then what's the point of them? Alesha like many of the talented only seems to emphathise with those whom are also gifted she had naff all sympathy for Craig Kelly and Lailia Rousous last year. I don't exactly see much blinding insight from her at the contestant's POV really and I found her saying 'I know what's it's like to do the waltz first' a bit grating when it wasn't her first dance. Look I don't hate Alesha I just think she's pointless as a judge.
katmobile
05-10-2010
Originally Posted by parthena:
“Given that this is an Alesha thread, and the frequency of "would of" in here, I'm can't figure out if you're joking, Kat

parthena”

I think what i meant to say if they had to replace Arlene then they should have done it with someone whom could offer so sort of technical insight not with a former contestant. If my grammar's ropey i know that's not great but then grammaratic errors in others don't bother me.
isis333
05-10-2010
Originally Posted by Balthus:
“Quite frankly, Alesha can't win. If she gives technical advice, people complain she's not qualified to do so. If she doesn't critique, she's accused of not contributing anything. If she gives an opinion that differs from the other judges, "how dare she... she thinks she knows it all".

Alesha's doing fine, IMHO -- plus she adds a bit of glamour to the panel. After all, SCD is just a glitzy light entertainment show, not a serious dance competition. In any case, she's definitely an improvement on the increasingly embarrassing Arlene...”

You've hit the nail on the head. Alesha cant win! She's vilified by many on here regardless of what she say or does!
BuddyBontheNet
05-10-2010
Originally Posted by StrictlyRed:
“Neither do I, but I think Craig's are about the closest in terms of dancing, although not necessarily in who my favourites are”

Me too! I also like the fact he uses more paddles than the others !
Bourdain
05-10-2010
Originally Posted by petertard:
“No-one has said she should be got rid of, so far. Has she become acceptable ?”

All I can say is it took 15 minutes of her appearing on my screen on Friday to make pray for her horrible death.


Originally Posted by Balthus:
“ she adds a bit of glamour to the panel.”

Haha! What are you talking about, who the hell is Alesha, what has she ever done outside Strictly and why is she on my telly on a weekend eve? Would Chris Hollins add "glamour" (!) if he was on that bloody panel too.
Chris1964
05-10-2010
Alesha was the BBC's panic response to Cheryl Cole and the surge in X Factor ratings which I think confused them to death. Alesha's young and good looking they thought( and she is), lets dump Arlene and bung her on the panel.

The folly here is that anyone can be an X Factor judge, but maybe that isnt the case with dance.

I think Alesha is great but she cannot win here -the other three have lifetimes of knowledge to back up their showmanship and they cannot disagree with Alesha in the same way as they did Arlene. In the end the panel is awkward and they, the contestants and the audience know it.
katmobile
05-10-2010
Originally Posted by Chris1964:
“Alesha was the BBC's panic response to Cheryl Cole and the surge in X Factor ratings which I think confused them to death. Alesha's young and good looking they thought( and she is), lets dump Arlene and bung her on the panel.

The folly here is that anyone can be an X Factor judge, but maybe that isnt the case with dance.

I think Alesha is great but she cannot win here -the other three have lifetimes of knowledge to back up their showmanship and they cannot disagree with Alesha in the same way as they did Arlene. In the end the panel is awkward and they, the contestants and the audience know it.”

Can I just say that you hit the nail on the head and did it with enough tact that no one can be in any doubt that you aren't down on Alesha - well done
katmobile
05-10-2010
Originally Posted by Balthus:
“Quite frankly, Alesha can't win. If she gives technical advice, people complain she's not qualified to do so. If she doesn't critique, she's accused of not contributing anything. If she gives an opinion that differs from the other judges, "how dare she... she thinks she knows it all".

Alesha's doing fine, IMHO -- plus she adds a bit of glamour to the panel. After all, SCD is just a glitzy light entertainment show, not a serious dance competition. In any case, she's definitely an improvement on the increasingly embarrassing Arlene...”

To stand a chance of winning the game you've got have enough experience and training to able to play it to the same standard as everyone else. No she can't win but not because 'us hatus' won't let her but because she doesn't have the skills too. I would say it's not her fault but she thinks she can do it. It doesn't make her a bad person Criag Kelly seemed like a nice guy but I wish that people would acknowledge that to believe she shouldn't be a judge doesn't mean we all hate her and/or love Arlene - I just wish someone would acknowledge the mistake and let her get on with doing things she is good at.
librarygirl
05-10-2010
Originally Posted by Chris1964:
“Alesha was the BBC's panic response to Cheryl Cole and the surge in X Factor ratings which I think confused them to death. Alesha's young and good looking they thought( and she is), lets dump Arlene and bung her on the panel.

The folly here is that anyone can be an X Factor judge, but maybe that isnt the case with dance.

I think Alesha is great but she cannot win here -the other three have lifetimes of knowledge to back up their showmanship and they cannot disagree with Alesha in the same way as they did Arlene. In the end the panel is awkward and they, the contestants and the audience know it.”

I agree with your assessment, there is very little banter between the panel now, whereas in the past even though there were heated discussions at times, the panel worked. Alesha needs to be replaced by a competent judge.
Chris1964
05-10-2010
Originally Posted by katmobile:
“Can I just say that you hit the nail on the head and did it with enough tact that no one can be in any doubt that you aren't down on Alesha - well done ”

Thank you
Rikki65
05-10-2010
Originally Posted by Bourdain:
“All I can say is it took 15 minutes of her appearing on my screen on Friday to make pray for her horrible death.




Haha! What are you talking about, who the hell is Alesha, what has she ever done outside Strictly and why is she on my telly on a weekend eve? Would Chris Hollins add "glamour" (!) if he was on that bloody panel too.”


What a nice person you are Its not even funny.
Paace
06-10-2010
Originally Posted by librarygirl:
“I agree with your assessment, there is very little banter between the panel now, whereas in the past even though there were heated discussions at times, the panel worked. Alesha needs to be replaced by a competent judge.”

Good point. Before there was banter and disagreement between Arlene and the others . I suppose Alesha's comments are so bland its not worth saying anything. She must be like a fish out of water when they retire to their judges room.
EmmaGx
06-10-2010
Originally Posted by katmobile:
“If I were Jimi (or Flavia) I'd be upset at Alesha - he was better than all of the people she gave the same mark and to make matters better than the two she gave one mark higher than.

The problem I think with the marking is that you don't get to see everyone before you mark - Len has admitted in the frist program of series six that he gave Tom a 9 and then had to give Austin a 10 because although he didn't think he was flawless he was better than Tom and had to have a higher mark. Of course the answer to mark lower to begin with.”

Alesha doesn't really have that excuse for mis-placing Jimi though ... by Sat night she'd already given out each of her marks at least once so had plenty of other dancers to compare him with ... the only reason she can possibly have for justifying that mark is that she thought he was only better than Paul ... and equal or worse than everyone else from Friday's show ... I really don't know what she was watching to think that though ...
dancingfan
06-10-2010
Originally Posted by Chris1964:
“Alesha was the BBC's panic response to Cheryl Cole and the surge in X Factor ratings which I think confused them to death. Alesha's young and good looking they thought( and she is), lets dump Arlene and bung her on the panel.

The folly here is that anyone can be an X Factor judge, but maybe that isnt the case with dance.

I think Alesha is great but she cannot win here -the other three have lifetimes of knowledge to back up their showmanship and they cannot disagree with Alesha in the same way as they did Arlene. In the end the panel is awkward and they, the contestants and the audience know it.”



I agree that the dynamics of the Panel have been lostwith Len & Bruce pouncing on everyting Craig says - it is getting boring now - and the "I agree with the boys" tosh she utters my OH said "wow bet Len & Craig are relieved with that" and clearly Clauia has been told to cite Alesha's comments !!!

AD needs to distance herself from SCD - IMO this has not worked -
*stargazer*
06-10-2010
Why oh why isn't Karen on the judging panel?
librarygirl
06-10-2010
Originally Posted by *stargazer*:
“Why oh why isn't Karen on the judging panel?”


I agree with you, every time she's on ITT , I want to ask the same question. She was excellent on choreography corner again last night, she knows her stuff - Alesha patently doesn't. The excuse that she is there to bring a competitor's perspective does not make up for her banal comments.
Caramel Crunch
06-10-2010
I think Alesha would be more suited to a role supporting the contestants & appearing once a week on ITT to update us on who she is helping.
missfrankiecat
06-10-2010
Originally Posted by Caramel Crunch:
“I think Alesha would be more suited to a role supporting the contestants & appearing once a week on ITT to update us on who she is helping.”

I would buy this. She looks great and her general demeanour is becoming more polished, so she has something to contribute. But her banality is misplaced on the judging panel. She offers no constructive comment or criticism and the "you looked great babe" "that was hot" type remarks don't add anything to what we can all say at home.
*stargazer*
06-10-2010
Originally Posted by Caramel Crunch:
“I think Alesha would be more suited to a role supporting the contestants & appearing once a week on ITT to update us on who she is helping.”

Good solution!
summertime09
06-10-2010
I love Alesha, she is not only my favourite winner ever, she is my favourite contestant ever, i so vividly remember her ballroom dancing, she was breathtaking, HOWEVER!!! as a judge!! i would much rather have Arlene, Karen or Lillia, not only is Aleshas English awful, but i just cannot take her seriously.
isopap
06-10-2010
Originally Posted by *stargazer*:
“Why oh why isn't Karen on the judging panel?”

Because she'd annoy us just as much as Alesha but in a very different way?
*stargazer*
06-10-2010
Originally Posted by isopap:
“Because she'd annoy us just as much as Alesha but in a very different way?”

I don't agree. She has never annoyed me. I bow to her expertise and knowledge and I reckon the contestants would hang on her every word. I mean "you look hot babe" is hardly going to improve their dancing is it?
Ignazio
06-10-2010
Originally Posted by *stargazer*:
“I don't agree. She has never annoyed me. I bow to her expertise and knowledge and I reckon the contestants would hang on her every word. I mean "you look hot babe" is hardly going to improve their dancing is it?”

Well put indeed!
Dorabella14
06-10-2010
Originally Posted by lynxmale:
“So many of your posts are rude ad hominem attacks... why don't you go back to your frites and warm beer and leave him to it?
p.s. I do know what ad hominem means and I've seen you do it before to several. Distancing yourself by attacking the "post" is hardly better.”

I neither consume frites nor drink warm beer.
I attacked the post, not the poster. Take another look.
Dorabella14
06-10-2010
Originally Posted by missfrankiecat:
“I would buy this. She looks great and her general demeanour is becoming more polished, so she has something to contribute. But her banality is misplaced on the judging panel. She offers no constructive comment or criticism and the "you looked great babe" "that was hot" type remarks don't add anything to what we can all say at home.”

The problem Alesha faced last year was "Damned if you do, damned if you don't." Every time she advanced a comment on the technical side, referring to arms, hands, posture etc she got slammed. Every time she commented politely with an encouraging general remark on an unbrilliant performance, she got slammed.

My guess is that this year she'll ignore the naysayers and just say what she wants to. When she says something nice after a dose of Craig or Len, the contestants usually do look grateful for that bit of humanity.

So I'm happy she's back on the panel, and just hope the media can keep off her this year.
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