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HTC Desire HD or Nokia N8
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gadget_uk
06-10-2010
Which one out of these 2 phones would you go for?

Thanks in advance
technoflare
06-10-2010
Originally Posted by gadget_uk:
“Which one out of these 2 phones would you go for?

Thanks in advance”

HTC all the way, I have a N97 and Symbian is a terrible OS, and from what I have read V3 is no big improvement. Android however is on the rise and this new phone looks very good. cant wait to dump my N97!
John_Elway
06-10-2010
For me no contest... HTC for sure.
monkey_123
07-10-2010
The nokia N8 would have been a great phone if it wasn't for the poor Symbian os.
RED_
07-10-2010
Originally Posted by John_Elway:
“For me no contest... HTC for sure.”

Agreed, Nokia are crap. Plus their OS is utter rubbish.
BoBaDoB
07-10-2010
Features wise i would say the N8 may slightly top the HD however i have to agree the symbian OS seems a little dated. In saying that they should have improved it and have now added improved widgets.

TBH windows phone 7 looks the most promising and i think i will wait till the announcements come for that and get me a windows phone 7 device!
RED_
07-10-2010
Dont have high hopes for windows 7 phones, mostly because of their previous OS but it'll be good to see what they release. Everyone seems to be saying good things, i think the layout is a bit weak tbh.
sotek
07-10-2010
Originally Posted by monkey_123:
“The nokia N8 would have been a great phone if it wasn't for the poor Symbian os.”

Completely agree. The hardware of the N8 is fabulous but no way am I touching anything that runs on Symbian.
phonefollower
07-10-2010
I have used a Desire and based on that I am sure the Desire HD will be exceptional.
fmradiotuner1
07-10-2010
I would also get the Desire as well.
Also the Samsung Galaxy S looks really nice.
clonmult
07-10-2010
Originally Posted by RED_:
“Agreed, Nokia are crap. Plus their OS is utter rubbish.”

Whats rubbish about the OS?

Its got better power management than any other mobile OS, has always fully supported multi tasking (and does it better than Android).

The only thing lacking is on the UI, which has a set of bland icons. Which can easily be sorted with a nice and simple (and generally free) theme.

The N8 does have a few advantages - USB OTG support is pretty neat, its got flawless HDMI output, and has a camera that easily beats any other mobile on the market. And it even betters most compact dedicated cameras.

And of course Symbian is poor, its only the best selling smartphone OS by a gigantic margin.

ps. I've been using Android for a week, and I do like it - the obvious advantage is the android market, but thats the only area where Android has any real advantage.
Gormond
07-10-2010
Originally Posted by clonmult:
“And of course Symbian is poor, its only the best selling smartphone OS by a gigantic margin.”

That's because Nokia sell alot of cheap phones with Symbian on it. Also Symbian market share has been dropping for a while now.

For me I would go for the HTC phone as i'm not a fan of Symbian.
mrvgarg
07-10-2010
Nokia N8 - true multi tasking (browser continues to load in background), camera, hdmi out, not tied down to ovi store for apps/themes, long batery life, etc etc
clonmult
07-10-2010
Originally Posted by Gormond:
“That's because Nokia sell alot of cheap phones with Symbian on it. Also Symbian market share has been dropping for a while now.”

Thats selective reporting - reduced market share, but still with increasing sales.

And its nothing to do with cheap phones - its only in the last year or so that the 5800/5530/5230 started to make Symbian more affordable.

As for the choice of the two, it'd be difficult. I'd probably go for the N8, purely as its a considerably better device for imaging and music, but Android is a pretty cool OS.
technoflare
07-10-2010
i think anyone who owns an N97 will agree that Symbian is a dog of an OS and nothing reported so far about V3 suggests its a big leap. The specs of the N8 do look impressive but after suffering 17months with my N97 I'm not going to take the risk. I would say if you are considering the N8 then wait and see how the reviews go and wait for others to report on it before getting it. Personally its the HTC for me and an OS on the rise and not one in decline
ThePhenom
07-10-2010
HTC for sure. I only managed to keep my N97 for 6 months before I sold it and got an iPhone 3G. Have my Desire HD on pre-order now.
mrvgarg
07-10-2010
I think a lot of people have problems with N97 however I have Nokia 5800 and I think its brilliant.
lalaland
07-10-2010
I have to admit, I really like the look of the new Nokia N8. I think as a handset it looks great. If it was running Android I'd be tempted, but I'm not going back to Symbian having moved from there recently to Android. It would be like driving a Fiesta, swapping it for a Ferrari and then going back to the Fiesta because it had air con added on the new model - no thanks...

Symbian's had it's day, Android is the only choice for me at the moment.

I appreciate it's a new release of Symbian but looking at the videos on the web I can't help but feel it's still not a patch on 2.2 Android. And while the N8 looks great, I don't think it even comes close to the Desire, never mind the Desire HD.

Personally I'd go for HTC Desire or Desire HD on Froyo. But I'd advise trying both in the store and seeing which you prefer yourself because it's you that will have to live with your choice for x amount of months.
lalaland
07-10-2010
Originally Posted by mrvgarg:
“I think a lot of people have problems with N97 however I have Nokia 5800 and I think its brilliant.”

Although it started out well, the N97 developed issues that really let Nokia down and I think it caused them a lot of damage at the worst possible time. This has given Android the chance to sneak in and I don't think that Nokia will recover many of those who jumped ship towards Samsung and HTC's Android offerings when Nokia let them down.
clonmult
07-10-2010
Originally Posted by lalaland:
“I have to admit, I really like the look of the new Nokia N8. I think as a handset it looks great. If it was running Android I'd be tempted, but I'm not going back to Symbian having moved from there recently to Android. It would be like driving a Fiesta, swapping it for a Ferrari and then going back to the Fiesta because it had air con added on the new model - no thanks...

Symbian's had it's day, Android is the only choice for me at the moment.

I appreciate it's a new release of Symbian but looking at the videos on the web I can't help but feel it's still not a patch on 2.2 Android. And while the N8 looks great, I don't think it even comes close to the Desire, never mind the Desire HD.”

Interesting viewpoint, but I can't help but feeling that you're incredibly wide of the mark.

I can see that the N97 was viewed as a dog, but other incarnations of the S^1 platform worked perfectly - the 5800 in later releases, the 5230 (on release) were perfectly capable, reliable feature rich devices.

As I've said before, the only area that S^3 is obviously lacking is in the theme and icon design, which is straight off the original 5800. Just get a free theme and it looks as good as anything else out there.

And Symbian very definitely hasn't had its day, S^3 has had a complete re-write under the skin, and the UI on top has been refined to be consistent in its operation.

I can't help but feel that the majority of commenters are following some of Dilberts Logical Fallacies ....

1. AMAZINGLY BAD ANALOGY
Example: You can train a dog to fetch a stick. Therefore, you can train a potato to dance.

6. GENERALIZING FROM SELF
Example: I’m a liar. Therefore, I don’t believe what you’re saying.
Russ_WWFC
07-10-2010
HTC for sure, my Nokia N95 was good but the dire lack of apps on Symbian meant I got an iPhone. Plus it's as ugly as sin IMHO and crashes far too often for my liking. Nokia have always had great cameras though, so if you are not big on apps the Nokia may be worthy of consideration
sotek
07-10-2010
Originally Posted by clonmult:
“I can't help but feel that the majority of commenters are following some of Dilberts Logical Fallacies ....”

Or maybe we are just not willing to get bitten by Nokia again ... 'Fool me once, shame on you but fool me twice, shame on me'

Nokia had their chance with me. They blew it and no way am I going to get caught again when they are persisting with the dreadful Symbian.
L_Silverwolf
07-10-2010
Originally Posted by sotek:
“Nokia had their chance with me. They blew it and no way am I going to get caught again when they are persisting with the dreadful Symbian.”

I'm interested, especially after reading some of the other comments about how good it is. What, exactly, makes it "dreadful", in your experience. The more specific & detailed you can be, the better, as it's hard to quantify hyperbole.
lalaland
07-10-2010
Originally Posted by clonmult:
“Interesting viewpoint, but I can't help but feeling that you're incredibly wide of the mark.”

You're entitled to your own view as I am mine. I'll do a little explaining as to why I think the way I do...

Originally Posted by clonmult:
“I can see that the N97 was viewed as a dog, but other incarnations of the S^1 platform worked perfectly - the 5800 in later releases, the 5230 (on release) were perfectly capable, reliable feature rich devices.”

They were good, but having made the jump to Android looking back at them they now feel dated. The recent, modern Android handsets are really setting the bar high for smartphones and Symbian is one of the OSs that's starting to flag, which is shown by the fact that although Symbian is currently the leader in smartphone OS in terms of most users, it's starting to see a decline and other OSs are catching it up - most notably Android, which will soon over take it.

Originally Posted by clonmult:
“As I've said before, the only area that S^3 is obviously lacking is in the theme and icon design, which is straight off the original 5800. Just get a free theme and it looks as good as anything else out there.”

I don't agree. I doubt you'll find any theme on Symbian that will give you as good an experience as Sense or even modern iOS for example. It's not just about the looks either, if what's under the bonnet is starting to feel dated then there's only so much polish you can put on it...

Originally Posted by clonmult:
“And Symbian very definitely hasn't had its day, S^3 has had a complete re-write under the skin, and the UI on top has been refined to be consistent in its operation.”

Again I disagree. Although it currently has the most smartphone users it's starting to see a decline and other operating systems are rapidly gaining on it. Also consider that Samsung has just ditched it in favour of Android and Bada etc. and Sony Ericcson have also just ditched Symbian, again opting for the more popular Android OS. Nokia's starting to get lonely with it's dated operating system as lack of interest spreads. In fact, in June this year Nokia were even reporting that they were thinking about dropping Symbian for their N series handsets after the N8!! What does that tell you?

You may think that with Samsung and SE leaving Symbian it's not big deal, but it is. These are two very big players who were contributing to the Symbian project and with them leaving so will their input and funding. Fair enough, they may remain in a position where they monitor how it's progressing, but if they aren't using it they won't be giving much more than a passing glance. This will certainly hamper Symbian's future development.

Such problems for Symbian have even caused Gartner, an organisation who produce many of the facts used by articles and even internet forum posts, who are recognised for their reports - as a failure! And this isn't old news, we're talking about comments made in 2010 by respected analysts.

Yes, we're seeing a newer release of Symbian, but the problem is that it still has a similar general feel and appearance. It doesn't look like a modern OS and with the hype surrounding Windows Mobile 7 too, it's another possibly new kid on the block to knock it back.

Another issue for Symbian is that it just doesn't have the interest currently that Android and iOS both have in terms of developers producing software. While you get a lot of pointless and useless apps, there's no denying that app sales are big business and people are seeking phones that allow them to download and use a wide variety of software.

In all truth, I honestly hold the belief that in a year or so we'll see Symbian demoted from running on Nokia's flagship handsets to being the OS that runs on their budget handsets.

Originally Posted by clonmult:
“I can't help but feel that the majority of commenters are following some of Dilberts Logical Fallacies ....

1. AMAZINGLY BAD ANALOGY
Example: You can train a dog to fetch a stick. Therefore, you can train a potato to dance.

6. GENERALIZING FROM SELF
Example: I’m a liar. Therefore, I don’t believe what you’re saying.”

I suggest that people are simply posting their views. And remember that these people are buying handsets, if the majority are going off Symbian then that's less sales for Nokia and couple that with less companies being involved too, it's certainly not a very bright future for Symbian as a flagship smartphone OS.


So considering all the above it seems you suggesting that I'm wide of the mark is perhaps not true
sotek
08-10-2010
Originally Posted by L_Silverwolf:
“I'm interested, especially after reading some of the other comments about how good it is. What, exactly, makes it "dreadful", in your experience. The more specific & detailed you can be, the better, as it's hard to quantify hyperbole. ”

It's SLOW, buggy and unreliable, and those are the good points!

Seriously, if I was to list everything I hate about it I would be here all day and, of course, mine is just an individual opinion no more valid than anyone else here. 'Try before you buy' is the only thing I suggest.
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