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Orange/T-Mobile/Virgin
countyboy
09-10-2010
As Vigin uses T-Mobile, I just tried to register my phone to be able to roam onto Orange...but was rejected
It seems your contarct actually has to be with T-mobile...
Mystic Eddy
09-10-2010
And? Virgin would need to sign a deal to allow the roaming. It has never been said MVNOs would benefit from the roaming agreement.
Appleseed
09-10-2010
Virgin are as completely separate company as far as Orange are concerned, but that's not to say that when full and seamless roaming is in place MVNOs won't be invited to negotiate to 'join in'.
Daveoc64
10-10-2010
Originally Posted by Appleseed:
“Virgin are as completely separate company as far as Orange are concerned, but that's not to say that when full and seamless roaming is in place MVNOs won't be invited to negotiate to 'join in'.”

They'll have to be eventually. Orange and T-Mobile agreed to drop some of their 2G spectrum as part of the merger.

It's going to get to the stage where they cut down on cell sites that overlap on the two networks.

An MVNO like Virgin would lose out if T-Mobile's cell site was dropped in favour of an Orange site.
Thine Wonk
10-10-2010
Originally Posted by Appleseed:
“Virgin are as completely separate company as far as Orange are concerned, but that's not to say that when full and seamless roaming is in place MVNOs won't be invited to negotiate to 'join in'.”

It won't be roaming, it will be a full network integration.

Basically here's the story:

3 and T-mobile decided to build out the biggest 3G network in the UK and run it under a separate company called MBUK. The new network has taken 18 months to build and has around 12,000 cell sites, built by Nokia Siemens. It is built with mobile broadband and data in mind, and has been built as an upgradable network, so that extra capacity can be added and faster speeds as needed.

At the start of the project 3 knew that the owners of T-mobile wanted to exit the UK, it's been something that has been known for nearly 2 years.

When Orange bought T-mobile there were conditions put in place that 3 must be protected to enable effective competition.

Orange will be joining MBUK, Orange will be decommissioning the vast majority of their cell sites , less than 1 in 3 Orange cells will remain in operation.

Of course all parties will continue to invest in MBUK as well.
Appleseed
10-10-2010
Originally Posted by Thine Wonk:
“It won't be roaming, it will be a full network integration.

Basically here's the story:

3 and T-mobile decided to build out the biggest 3G network in the UK and run it under a separate company called MBUK. The new network has taken 18 months to build and has around 12,000 cell sites, built by Nokia Siemens. It is built with mobile broadband and data in mind, and has been built as an upgradable network, so that extra capacity can be added and faster speeds as needed.

At the start of the project 3 knew that the owners of T-mobile wanted to exit the UK, it's been something that has been known for nearly 2 years.

When Orange bought T-mobile there were conditions put in place that 3 must be protected to enable effective competition.

Orange will be joining MBUK, Orange will be decommissioning the vast majority of their cell sites , less than 1 in 3 Orange cells will remain in operation.

Of course all parties will continue to invest in MBUK as well.”

Is there a source for all this speculation? I was under the impression that T-Mobile and Orange had combined their UK operation rather than one buying the other out.
Daveoc64
10-10-2010
I'm not aware of a source for much of that, but technically Orange did buy T-Mobile.
Thine Wonk
10-10-2010
Originally Posted by Appleseed:
“Is there a source for all this speculation? I was under the impression that T-Mobile and Orange had combined their UK operation rather than one buying the other out.”

You are quite correct, T-mobile was 'up for sale' but because O2 and Vodafone weren't interested at the money they wanted the only other offer was an Orange merger. I always forget that part

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2...kom-uk-mobiles

Quote:
“A few weeks ago René Obermann, Deutsche's chief executive, wanted to exit Britain altogether via a sale. Now, having discovered that Vodafone and Telefónica (owner of O2) don't value T-Mobile as highly as his written-down book value, Obermann has turned to Orange for help.

So, instead of taking cash out of the UK, Deutsche is writing a cheque to make the new alliance a 50:50 venture.”

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