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Old 10-10-2010, 17:31
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I just wanted to know what is considered a flop now? I used to think that getting a No.50+ means a flop but it seems that Top.40 hits are now considered flops? But is it different if the song/album is a second one etc. How much sales would you expect from a flop single/album

I would say a single that only makes it to No.35~ and stays only 2 weeks is a flop, depending if it's a big singer that is expected to do well. If they are indie, then ~No.60 isn't too bad.

If an album only makes it to No.15~ and stays only 3 weeks in the chart then it's a flop imo. But if it re-enters the chart for at least 2 extra weeks then it's not too much a flop. If it sells less than 80k(I'm not very accurate with sales so you might disagree and I might be wrong) then it's a flop

But, Christina had a No.1 album but it was still a bit of a flop.

What do you consider a flop?
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Old 10-10-2010, 19:23
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I think the position counts more for singles but with albums, it's how much they sell over a period of time rather than what position the album peaks at.
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Old 10-10-2010, 19:32
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it's all relative

If I released a song and it made the top 100, I'd consider that a success because a) i cant sing b) dont have a label and c) a complete unknown

however if say Cheryl Cole released a track and it failed to make the top 10, that could be seen as a flop given the amount of promotion.

generally it's a case of weighing up the results against what an artist has going in their favour. the more they have going for them (in terms of established fanbase, airplay, promotion, etc.), the higher position/sales you'd expect
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Old 10-10-2010, 21:27
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wow that was my 500th post yay! wow 500 posts since January! Never knew I had posted so much without realizing
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Old 10-10-2010, 21:30
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it's all relative

If I released a song and it made the top 100, I'd consider that a success because a) i cant sing b) dont have a label and c) a complete unknown

however if say Cheryl Cole released a track and it failed to make the top 10, that could be seen as a flop given the amount of promotion.

generally it's a case of weighing up the results against what an artist has going in their favour. the more they have going for them (in terms of established fanbase, airplay, promotion, etc.), the higher position/sales you'd expect
Yeah, exactly. Alexandra Burke got to No. 8 with Broken Heels, and that was considered a flop... which is only because almost all her other singles have gone straight in at number one.

But Katy B hit No. 6 or 7-ish with Katy on a Mission a few weeks ago and that's considered a huge, huge success. Depends on expectations/repuation.
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Old 11-10-2010, 09:14
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If you're on a Major label the artsts should do as well (or at least as well) as their previous efforts as far as profits are concerned.Under the usual Major Label contract terms the majority of artists will flop at some time.It is almost better not to be too succesful too early as far as making a financial success out of being with a Major.All profits that are made on any previously successes are channelled towards greater promotion etc.If the promo's etc. don't bring in the benefit of greater earnings on the back of higher sales etc. then a the artist will be in danger of being dropped by the label if they don't recoup the investments (promo costs etc.) in the artist.It's a double edged sword for new artists & sometimes even more established acts.
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Old 11-10-2010, 23:01
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What is the obsession with Artists/Albums/Singles "flopping" on this forum?

Its bizarre, firstly because in therms of chart position one artists flop is anothers breakthrough single, some care little about single sales and focus on album, some care little about either and make money from touring, Moby made a large chunk of his cash from selling selling his songs for use in adverts, i'm sure he couldn't care less whether some track from Play got to number 1 or number 101 in the singles chart.

This obsession with chart position reveals a complete misunderstanding of how the music industry actually works. The traditional model of, promotion via

Radio play ---> Single -----> album

Is just not applicable to many artists these days, Faithless even struck a deal with a car company and promoted their new record with a sort of hybrid music video/car advert.

Secondly, I get the feeling some on this forum suport artists the way others support football teams. They seem to want singles to do well before they have even heard them and obsess over the chart position and whether this is a success or not rather than whether they actually like the bloody song.

I remember one poster bemoaning the fact that madonna can no longer expect a top ten hit unless the song was actually ..... shock horror ..... GOOD!

Surely, no matter how much you like madonna the important thing is that she releases good music, not music that sells well?
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Old 12-10-2010, 07:52
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What is the obsession with Artists/Albums/Singles "flopping" on this forum? ....Radio play ---> Single -----> album....
That's the Major Label model though for 'pop' artists anyway.They do back a few other artists with other selling models i.e Album Oriented etc. but not many.This is one of the reason's the music industry is struggling at the moment - they just have no control over this process any more.Most singles are sold on the back of internet viral methods.Only the Hip-Hop / R&B side of pop have managed to get any sort of similar control over their sales patterns, oh! & X-factor of course
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Old 12-10-2010, 11:11
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Christina was regarded as a flop because yes she had a #1 album, but it sold like 25000, one of the lowest totals this year...
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