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so is it kristina or her partners faults?
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shortiefluff
11-10-2010
Kristina has never been close to winning in her 3 years and I wondering if people have any theorys as to how this is happening, its not like she is Anton for example. (I mean Anton gets the deadwood everry year and therefore will never win).

The closest she has come is with John sergeant and he wouldn't have deserved it, but since then she's been lumbered with Joe Calzaghe who hadn't a snowball in hells chance and now Goldie...

Now I don't think he could have won the competition but he had potential to go mid-way say when the bad ones have been evicted and the potential winners are showing their class.

He has now been evcited and is it because HE isn't rated as good, popular, cute, funny or is it because Kristina hsan't connected with the public and being pared with her is the kiss of death for even the most talented personalities, she hasn't had a lot to reach this conclusion on, it's just my own general pondering.
Mickey007
11-10-2010
Kristina is a very popular dancer, not just on Strictly but also on the sold out Strictly tours and her own personal tours. She has a large and active fan base. Her choreography always brings out the best in her partners and, as you stated, she has not had the best of luck with her celeb partners dancing ability.

She can hardly be held responsible for John Sergeant’s age and the impact that had on their routines (which she choreographed brilliantly, even Arlene Phillips conceded that), or for Joe Calzaghe’s rock solid mid drift (from his years of boxing) or Goldie’s inability to connect with the British public.

She is a great teacher, talented choreographer and has a large fan base with the British public. She is a victim of circumstance, not an instigator of it.

I for one hope she comes back next year and gets a popular celeb with rhythm! x
dmolyneaux@virg
11-10-2010
Absolutely not her fault , look at how amazing she was on tour with mark ramprakash .
Jan2555*GG*
11-10-2010
Three series

Series 1 She did inspired coreography for someone who was never going to be a dancer when she could have just danced round John which Ola pretty much did with Andrew Castle.

Series 2 She was extremely unlucky, she was given a sportsman who in his former life had been extremely light on his feet and WAS expected to be good. Unfortunately for Kristina he turned out to be one of the worst celebs ever but not HER fault.

Series 3 She got a not very well known celeb who turned out to have some potential but didnt have the fan base.....she probably wasnt tough enough on him in training .
Mystical123
11-10-2010
Originally Posted by dmolyneaux@virg:
“look at how amazing she was on tour with mark ramprakash .”

I actually didn't think she was that good on the celeb tour - certainly in the AT Mark outdanced her.

But she was good on the pro tour, that's when I started warming to her.

I don't think either Kristina or Goldie are entirely blameless - her cha cha choreography was not so good, and he spent far too much time messing around in general - but I also don't think you can really pinpoint it to either of them. They just didn't have the fanbase to keep them in that some of the people below them on the leaderboard did, and they paid the price for being mediocre and not really gelling as a partnership, or at least not doing anything memorable.
KipsKaz
11-10-2010
I just think she's been unlucky with the partners she's had. She went a long way with John so that at least seems to suggest she's reasonably popular, unfortunately, Joe was wooden and Goldie fans probably don't watch Strictly much.

From what I've seen of her choreography, I like it and I like her (I'm no expert though). I too hope she comes back next year and gets a decent celebrity as I'm sure she could take them a long way.
DavidJames
11-10-2010
Originally Posted by shortiefluff:
“Kristina has never been close to winning in her 3 years and I wondering if people have any theorys as to how this is happening,”

I have a highly complex and detailed theory.

She's been given rubbish partners.

Err.... that's it.
rossyrahrah
11-10-2010
Originally Posted by DavidJames:
“I have a highly complex and detailed theory.

She's been given rubbish partners.

Err.... that's it.”

You're on fire today!
DavidJames
11-10-2010
Originally Posted by rossyrahrah:
“You're on fire today!”

Bored.

It's Monday.
Tangerine_82
11-10-2010
It's the crap standard of partner she's been saddled with every year she's been in it. John Sergeant, boxer dud and Goldie. She herself is a beautiful dancer and usually comes up with good routines. She's overdue a good partner. Hopefully next year.
SeasideLady
11-10-2010
I think Goldie would have been saved by the judges if we'd still got the dance - off. As they said, he had made a bit of progress this week and tried a lot harder, whereas poor Peter was abysmal.
rickster1995
11-10-2010
Originally Posted by Mystical123:
“I actually didn't think she was that good on the celeb tour - certainly in the AT Mark outdanced her.

But she was good on the pro tour, that's when I started warming to her.

I don't think either Kristina or Goldie are entirely blameless - her cha cha choreography was not so good, and he spent far too much time messing around in general - but I also don't think you can really pinpoint it to either of them. They just didn't have the fanbase to keep them in that some of the people below them on the leaderboard did, and they paid the price for being mediocre and not really gelling as a partnership, or at least not doing anything memorable.”

LOL. that is ludicrous, i mean come on mark was no where close to out dancing her. i think it was more his character that made the dance memorable rather than his dancing skill. which was good but i dont think it was anything better than he has done previously.
tawny
11-10-2010
Sorry to see Goldie go but glad she has gone - she dances for herself. Remember her smirking last year when Chris & ola did well.
katie_p
11-10-2010
I don't like Kristina, and even I don't think it's her fault! The closest you could say that for is her week one choreo for Goldie, which was admittedly naff, but even so there are so many other reasons why he didn't get voted through. And I don't really see why he's so indignant about it when he appears to have spent most of the build-up to week one messing about and not taking it seriously.

I don't think the tour with Mark is proof one way or another of Kristina's ability, if we're talking about choreography and teaching, since both of those were done by Karen. I don't remember a lot of people praising the partnership or thinking that Kristina brought anything new to it... it kind of seemed like Mark won a lot because he had already been taught to a high standard, gained the public affection, and had two very exciting and crowd pleasing routines to perform. IMO he would have won the same number with any pro.

I don't think she should be asked back, but if she is then if only out of fairness she ought to get someone who will have the potential to stay the distance. Although funnily enough, on paper that would rule out John, and he's been by far her most successful partner
muddipaws
11-10-2010
I think she has had a run of bad luck with her partners (in the sense of the show).

I do like her, and hope she does come back and is givn a chance with a decent partner for once, she does some great choreography and was awesome with Brian in the latin
Mystical123
11-10-2010
Originally Posted by rickster1995:
“LOL. that is ludicrous, i mean come on mark was no where close to out dancing her. i think it was more his character that made the dance memorable rather than his dancing skill. which was good but i dont think it was anything better than he has done previously.”

The day I went to see it she made several mistakes and looked uncomfortable, whereas Mark danced masterfully. I like Kristina, but on the day I saw the tour, Mark was better. Not in the salsa, but in the AT, which was what I was talking about, he did dance better than she did, that dance doesn't suit her.


I thought she was much better than the celeb tour every time I saw the pro tour, so I don't think the celeb tour was indicative of her ability at all.
Eugenie
11-10-2010
Originally Posted by tawny:
“Sorry to see Goldie go but glad she has gone - she dances for herself. Remember her smirking last year when Chris & ola did well.”

So you can interpret Kristina's experssions?!

She and Ola have said they were good friends. Joe C held up Chris at the end and they both seem delighted. She was probably smiling with pleasure for them.

I think Christina is great. She can be a lttle sulky, sure, but she is a little bit of a diva - part of her charm.

Hope she comes back with a good partner!
Alli-F
11-10-2010
I think it's mostly the partners, but there's something.....I don't know.....cheap about her. Her outfits, hair, make-up - everything just make her look like a Russian prostitute/transvestite.

She seems lovely when she's interviewed, but of all the female dancers, Natalie apart (absolutely can't stand that woman), there's just something a bit.....off, for want of a better word.
Bonnie96
11-10-2010
A bit of both I think.

Kristina is by all accounts a great dancer but is she able to communicate the skills via teaching? Mark already knew the dances on the Tour thanks to Karen and there were only a few small changes to the routines.

Goldie decided too late on to knuckle down to some serious work.
We all had the classmates who only wanted to fool around in class - were the teachers blamed when they failed the exam?
-Sid-
11-10-2010
I think Kristina's been unlucky, that's all.

I'm not sure any other pro could have choreographed so well for John Sergeant and got as much out of him.

It's taken other pros a while to get the right partner (just think of the Jordans). Hopefully Kristina's turn will come soon because I like her.
katmobile
11-10-2010
It's proof that you can't judge a book by it's cover. She was given Joe who was the favourite last year and he was terrible - Goldie looked like a reasonable bet on paper and yet he wasn't great and the fact he was seen clowning about so much didn't help him - I liked him but I can see why people would rather vote for Peter and Paul who at least were seen to be trying harder. The comedy vote was probably annexed by Ann. Quite often it isn't the worst dancer who leaves first.
blueabu
11-10-2010
Well she hasnt had the best of partners, but I do think that it was mostly that she isnt popular with the public. I think she comes across as hard and calculating - she may well not be like this really but it seems to be how she is perceived.
Erinfan
11-10-2010
I think she's been very unlucky with partners, but she didn't do herself any favours with her choreography for Goldie's cha cha. Mostly it's about the standard of her partners though and I think Goldie was also a little unfortunate.
Richwood
12-10-2010
Originally Posted by KipsKaz:
“I just think she's been unlucky with the partners she's had. She went a long way with John so that at least seems to suggest she's reasonably popular, unfortunately, Joe was wooden and Goldie fans probably don't watch Strictly much.

From what I've seen of her choreography, I like it and I like her (I'm no expert though). I too hope she comes back next year and gets a decent celebrity as I'm sure she could take them a long way.”

Two lousy partners and one average dancer with no fan base amongst SCD viewers. Natalie got Ricky W. to the final last year and she does not seem popular with viewers - a good celebrity partner is essential for major success. I can't see any substantial evidence that people don't like Kristina - if she got a good partner she could win or go close.
Xio
12-10-2010
Originally Posted by Richwood:
“Two lousy partners and one average dancer with no fan base amongst SCD viewers. Natalie got Ricky W. to the final last year and she does not seem popular with viewers - a good celebrity partner is essential for major success. I can't see any substantial evidence that people don't like Kristina - if she got a good partner she could win or go close.”

Despite what this forums suggests, the vast majority of the viewers don't care about the professional dancers. They either support a celeb or they don't. Yes, the chemistry between the couple can matter but it doesn't always.
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