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so is it kristina or her partners faults?
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dmolyneaux@virg
12-10-2010
i think you will find out of all the female pro dancers kristina has a huge fanbase ,we love her .pro tour showed that
katie_p
12-10-2010
Originally Posted by dmolyneaux@virg:
“i think you will find out of all the female pro dancers kristina has a huge fanbase ,we love her .pro tour showed that”

What are you basing that on? She seems quite unpopular on DS, hardly anyone posts on her AT, and I seem to remember her doing quite badly on the polls we've had in the past year or so. I would have said she's one of the least popular pros on the show.
Mystical123
12-10-2010
DS isn't indicative of public support, I think there's probably a lot less bad feeling against the likes of Natalie and James in general than there is on here. And of course all the pros have fanbases, but they're varying sizes. Kristina was lucky in a way that she got John Sergeant in her first year, because that got her noticed. She's had newsworthy partners the past 2 years, but not this year, so that may not have helped her. And of course because she's never got to the business end of the competition, some people may not remember who she is.
fatskia
12-10-2010
Kristina is a great show dancer and always puts on a great performance.

With John, I was impressed with her comedy choreography which hit the right tone, and she did get a very decent Waltz out of him.

Joe was a strange situation. The two of them mayhave lost the plot a bit. Joe was never going to be good, but in his last dance in the dance-off, he actually danced better when the pressure was off, and thats why I think Kristina should have been able to get a bit more out of him.

Goldie? Maybe she should have taken him aside and explained what it took to stay in the show. He seemed to catch on after the first dance but it was too late then.
I've no idea why she choreographed so much disco dancing into a Cha Cha Cha, because its a dance she is brilliant at and I was expecting Goldie (who could have done a great Cha Cha Cha), to really shine.
Glistener
12-10-2010
It's all down to the editing.

We see what the producers want us to see and anyone who believes all they see in the training room clips and then bases an opinion on it is deluding themselves.

Some posters seem to forget that in this new tackier version of the show, the celebs are "required" to fill a persona; Ann, the pantomime character, Kara the sex kitten, Scott the hottie etc. In this case, Goldie was the clown. Sadly it backfired as the public didn't relate to him for all sorts of reasons that had nothing to do with Kristina
Kristina is a talented dancer and choreographer. She has had some less talented dancers as partners. But she also been portrayed in a particular way because it suits the show. That the real Kristina isn't a sexy siren but is kind, sweet and intelligent means nothing. Without her "flashy" image, we wouldn't be writing about her and keeping the Moira Ross machine publicity moving.
Glistener
12-10-2010
Originally Posted by katie_p:
“What are you basing that on? She seems quite unpopular on DS, hardly anyone posts on her AT, and I seem to remember her doing quite badly on the polls we've had in the past year or so. I would have said she's one of the least popular pros on the show.”

Some of us do have other things in our lives and can't spend all our time on here, you know!
librarygirl
12-10-2010
Originally Posted by Glistener:
“It's all down to the editing.

We see what the producers want us to see and anyone who believes all they see in the training room clips and then bases an opinion on it is deluding themselves.

Some posters seem to forget that in this new tackier version of the show, the celebs are "required" to fill a persona; Ann, the pantomime character, Kara the sex kitten, Scott the hottie etc. In this case, Goldie was the clown. Sadly it backfired as the public didn't relate to him for all sorts of reasons that had nothing to do with Kristina
Kristina is a talented dancer and choreographer. She has had some less talented dancers as partners. But she also been portrayed in a particular way because it suits the show. That the real Kristina isn't a sexy siren but is kind, sweet and intelligent means nothing. Without her "flashy" image, we wouldn't be writing about her and keeping the Moira Ross machine publicity moving.”

Well said Glistener. Judging by the comments on here I think the public have fallen for the SCD spin machine version of Kristina's character is. They marketed her as Marilyn Monroe from the beginning. In her interviews she is gracious and self effacing, she doesn't boast about herself like some of the pro dancers. Her choreography with John Sargent was amazing and one of the highlights of all the series for me. I hope she gets a better celeb next year, she certainly deserves one.
Aquajaney
12-10-2010
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/ar...ance-baby.html

This may explain why her dancing in the Strictly tour was a bit hit and miss.
dmolyneaux@virg
12-10-2010
[quote=katie_p;44767943]What are you basing that on? She seems quite unpopular on DS, hardly anyone posts on her AT, and I seem to remember her doing quite badly on the polls we've had in the past year or so. I would have said she's one of the least popular pros on the show.[/
very clear to me you dislike kristina for some reason ,have you actually met her ,do you know anything about her ? no matter what anyone says you always seem to drag her down . i find many comments you make very nasty and i am not the only one who has noticed ,we are all allowed a opinion i agree but maybe you should take a deeper look into kristinas background before saying some hurtfull comments . kristina really does have a huge fanbase ,its not all about ds .
dmolyneaux@virg
12-10-2010
Originally Posted by Aquajaney:
“http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/ar...ance-baby.html

This may explain why her dancing in the Strictly tour was a bit hit and miss.”

on tour she was amazing far from hit and miss ,scoring full marks with the judges most nights who knew nothing about her medical condition.
dmolyneaux@virg
12-10-2010
Originally Posted by katie_p:
“What are you basing that on? She seems quite unpopular on DS, hardly anyone posts on her AT, and I seem to remember her doing quite badly on the polls we've had in the past year or so. I would have said she's one of the least popular pros on the show.”

more posts than erins ola natalie aliona not all fans choose to use ds
muddipaws
12-10-2010
I really like Kristina and have done from the start, she may come across as hard but you do tend to find that from where she originated from initially they do come across like that. A really close friend of mine who is a sweetie, when people first meet her they dont take to her at all, he mannerisms etc but when they do get to know her they realise they should not judge book by its cover.

Rmember English is Kristina's second language and sometimes their intentions are good but may not come across as that, I think she is a nice lass
bluebluecow
12-10-2010
I think its the partners she has, I would vote for her as she is a great dancer and a very nice person. When she was dancing with John, I was doing a charity auction to raise money for my sons school and "Special Kids UK" I wrote to all of the dancers, Including the production team, from the production team we got an annaul with some of the dancers and celeb sigs in it, the bog standered they have done a few for cases like this. I got quite a lot of emails back from pas for other dancers who said that they have their own chairty ( a signed photo would not hurt their own charity)

YET Kristina sent us a lovely signed photo of her and John, signed by both of them with a personlised message, we informed her we had raised £726 on the auction of all the stuff, and she informed me she was pleased to off helped. I was impressed that it wasnt a bog stander picture. The only other dancer that sent a signed photo was camilla.
yohinnchild
12-10-2010
Kristina seemed to take over the mantle of Nicole in always getting a crap or unpopular dancer.

Both just seem to be unlucky really
Paace
12-10-2010
Originally Posted by Aquajaney:
“http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/ar...ance-baby.html

This may explain why her dancing in the Strictly tour was a bit hit and miss.”

Thanks for posting the link Aquajaney. I'm sure the BBC knew about this and although I don't think it effected Kristina's dancing or Goldie been eliminated Claudia could have mentioned it in their interview as a warning to women to get any pain checked. As Kristina says "I am talking about it now because I want women to realise that you have to take care of yourself".

Good luck to Kristina. I hope she's back next year and they give her a celeb who has a decent chance of doing well.
Mystical123
12-10-2010
Originally Posted by Aquajaney:
“http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/ar...ance-baby.html

This may explain why her dancing in the Strictly tour was a bit hit and miss.”

She did miss a couple of tour dates too, I did know about that, although not when I saw the tour. Brave lady to go through all that and still put herself through the rigours of the celeb tour and then the pro tour straight after!

It's just my opinion that she wasn't good on the celeb tour, and I'm allowed to have that opinion just as much as people are allowed to disagree. I have met Kristina twice and she is absolutely lovely in person, chatting and joking with us on the last day of the pro tour, and she did dance well on that tour. So disliking her dancing on a particular tour doesn't mean I hate her or have anything aginst her, same with thinking her choreography for the cha cha was not good (especially after she choreographed the great finale to the pro tour!).

Posts in appreciation threads on here are no indication of a pro's popularity, it's not a contest as to who can post most - the Ali & Brian thread has the most posts but a lot of general forum posters dislike Brian.

It's a shame that this thread has turned into an onslaught of accusations against anyone who dares to say Kristina made a few mistakes and they played a part in Goldie's exit. At the end of the day, this is not an Appreciation thread, so people can be critical if they want to. If it descends any further into argument it could be closed for being unconstructive, which is a shame as the topic is actualy interesting.
memmh
12-10-2010
I don't think that's a question that can be answered until Kristina is paired with a real contender and we see how long she stays in the competition then.

As for her partners:

» John was entertaining and popular but he stayed in longer than his dancing ability warranted.

» Joe was never going to make a dancer, regardless of who his partner was.

» Goldie put a lot of people off by not taking it seriously in week 1 and, given that the week 1 and week 2 scores were combined to determine who would leave, it was probably too late to regain lost ground.
teeswolf
12-10-2010
I remember feeling so dissapointed when a better dancer was eliminated and John and Kristina survived 2 series ago.

This time Kristina and her patner lose out because the public save the worst dancers. I guess it proves these things even themselves out over time.
mintchocchip
12-10-2010
I suspect a lot of votes for John were because of Kristina's choreography for him, she utterly embraced his personality and her routines for him were funny. We were all in on the joke with both of them and while I definitely think he was on the show too long I really feel she deserves a lot of credit for that.

There wasn't much she could do with Joe and she was unlucky with Goldie. Like all the pros she has made mistakes with choreography and had some genius moments. In general I just think she's been unlucky enough to get 3 people in a row who didn't possess some natural ability really. I know its an interesting discussion and for most of us its all there is to go on but I'm not sure Strictly is the best vehicle to judge people's teaching ability or choreography skills. I did get the impression Goldie realised too late that he needed to work hard at the show, and his fanbase perhaps wouldn't tune into he show.
super bantams
12-10-2010
Originally Posted by tawny:
“Sorry to see Goldie go but glad she has gone - she dances for herself. Remember her smirking last year when Chris & ola did well.”

I totally agree with you its all about HER HER HER and as you say she dances for herself and is always smirking and you see it a lot when she thinks the cameras are not on her. I think she her choreography is too hard at the beginning of the series and so it makes it difficult for a non-dancer but not for her of course. Goldie would have improved and improved cos he's very competitive as has been proved in previous reality shows and won the one where he was competing to conduct an orchestra. I felt really sorry for him and she should hold her head in shame
Glistener
12-10-2010
Originally Posted by super bantams:
“I totally agree with you its all about HER HER HER and as you say she dances for herself and is always smirking and you see it a lot when she thinks the cameras are not on her. I think she her choreography is too hard at the beginning of the series and so it makes it difficult for a non-dancer but not for her of course. Goldie would have improved and improved cos he's very competitive as has been proved in previous reality shows and won the one where he was competing to conduct an orchestra. I felt really sorry for him and she should hold her head in shame”

I have just looked at some of your other posts. I may not agree with some of the other posters' views on here but I do respect them for their opinion. However, you don't seem to have anything pleasant to say about anyone so why do you think anyone on here should take you seriously?
I certainly don't.
Kristina totally rocks!
millie3
12-10-2010
Originally Posted by super bantams:
“I totally agree with you its all about HER HER HER and as you say she dances for herself and is always smirking and you see it a lot when she thinks the cameras are not on her. I think she her choreography is too hard at the beginning of the series and so it makes it difficult for a non-dancer but not for her of course. Goldie would have improved and improved cos he's very competitive as has been proved in previous reality shows and won the one where he was competing to conduct an orchestra. I felt really sorry for him and she should hold her head in shame”

And you need your head examining.
Monkseal
12-10-2010
Originally Posted by super bantams:
“I totally agree with you its all about HER HER HER and as you say she dances for herself and is always smirking and you see it a lot when she thinks the cameras are not on her. I think she her choreography is too hard at the beginning of the series and so it makes it difficult for a non-dancer but not for her of course. Goldie would have improved and improved cos he's very competitive as has been proved in previous reality shows and won the one where he was competing to conduct an orchestra. I felt really sorry for him and she should hold her head in shame”

Goldie lost Maestro, despite being a clearly superior conducter to Sue Perkins. The only time the public voted were on the final two and he lost. He was also evicted first from Celebrity Big Brother by public vote. Just seems like Goldie's not someone who can win a public vote, whether it's held on BBC 1, BBC 2 or Channel 4.
AntoniaA
12-10-2010
I think Kristina has drawn the short straw each year she has been on the show. All three are nice guys but rubbish dancers. She does her best with them.

I wonder if she will be so fed up with it all that she will not come back next year.
Helena Handcart
12-10-2010
Goldie was exactly the sort of contestant who goes out early: not bad enough to get the sympathy vote, not good enough to get the 'wow' vote and not bringing a significant fanbase to the show. So... in this case it's bad luck, not Kristina.
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