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Old 19-10-2011, 01:22
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Slightly big news - One half of Beer Money has just won the World Title.
And the match is apparently about 1 minute long as Angle is too injured to wrestle. Did I mention it's absurd?
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Old 19-10-2011, 01:45
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And the match is apparently about 1 minute long as Angle is too injured to wrestle. Did I mention it's absurd?
Not really absured when the obvious storyline is Roode getting seriously pissed at Storm for taking the title he should have won and thus turning heel, leading to Storm vs Roode for the title.

Didnt you believe Hulk's tweets that Roode losing was part of a bigger storyline?
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Old 19-10-2011, 02:10
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Not really absured when the obvious storyline is Roode getting seriously pissed at Storm for taking the title he should have won and thus turning heel, leading to Storm vs Roode for the title.

Didnt you believe Hulk's tweets that Roode losing was part of a bigger storyline?
That's all well and good, but they've hurt PPV getting there, their "biggest show of the year" and they do the title change on the next free show? They're showing people pay per view doesn't matter.
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Old 19-10-2011, 03:06
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That's all well and good, but they've hurt PPV getting there, their "biggest show of the year" and they do the title change on the next free show? They're showing people pay per view doesn't matter.
There was still plenty of good stuff on the PPV to make it value for money. Would a 2 minute match with a title change be better than a 14 minute match without a title change anyway?

TNA dont have the luxury of putting on poor matches and relying on the brand to keep viewers watching like WWE.
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Old 19-10-2011, 05:07
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There was still plenty of good stuff on the PPV to make it value for money.
aye sure there was
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opening match and sting vs hogan were good, the rest of it was just one big steaming pile of crap
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Old 19-10-2011, 11:24
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Hulk Hogan is and always will be a self serving ****. End of.
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Old 19-10-2011, 17:23
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aye sure there was
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opening match and sting vs hogan were good, the rest of it was just one big steaming pile of crap
Disagree, think RVD/Lynn had some fantastic spots, the I Quit match was decent as well. You forgot Anderson/Bully Ray, which despite the broken ending, was a good, hard-hitting encounter. Gotta give Bully Ray props, his time in WWE really shows as he knows how to pace a match like a pro.

BFG wasn't a great PPV, but it was good. It's not as if WWE fanboys can say much about it after the total limp biscuit that was Wrestlemania 27, which bizarrely appeared to be one giant promo for Wrestlemania 28.
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Old 19-10-2011, 17:51
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Disagree, think RVD/Lynn had some fantastic spots, the I Quit match was decent as well. You forgot Anderson/Bully Ray, which despite the broken ending, was a good, hard-hitting encounter. Gotta give Bully Ray props, his time in WWE really shows as he knows how to pace a match like a pro.

BFG wasn't a great PPV, but it was good. It's not as if WWE fanboys can say much about it after the total limp biscuit that was Wrestlemania 27, which bizarrely appeared to be one giant promo for Wrestlemania 28.
i'm entitled to gripe about it because i forked out my hard earned dollar to go to the damn event, i like many others who paid to get into said event were pretty much disgusted, rvd vs lynn was just a quick spotfest had it been given an extra 10 mins then it might have been a great match but to me it was just quick, bully ray is the man and if he isn't champion any time soon then **** tna.
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Old 19-10-2011, 21:33
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So they built up a big "boyhood dream" thing with Robert Roode, then booked him to lose at the PPV and put the belt on James Storm on free TV. Poor decision, but to be expected. They're not the first company to do it.

However, I can't believe they ran a three-month tournament, a brand new format (well, for TNA) to crown a number one contender, and then booked him to lose. It just kills the format. That's one thing that I don't think WWE would do. The first MITB winner had to win the belt, to put the stipulation over. Ditto the Royal Rumble.
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Old 20-10-2011, 22:24
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So they built up a big "boyhood dream" thing with Robert Roode, then booked him to lose at the PPV and put the belt on James Storm on free TV. Poor decision, but to be expected.
Agree with all the above. I'm happy for James Storm as much as the next guy but the whole thing was just so stupid.

Then again it is TNA, who not only listen to Hogan & Bischoff, but gave them fat 2-year contract extensions despite them doing next to nothing to help the company.
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Old 21-10-2011, 03:41
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The impact on challenge on sunday starts with a talking segment that is apparently 40 minutes long.
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Old 22-10-2011, 13:56
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The impact on challenge on sunday starts with a talking segment that is apparently 40 minutes long.
Compared to 7 minutes of wrestling on the show. The longest match being the Knockouts Tag Title match.
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Old 22-10-2011, 16:02
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Q1: 1.38 rating - Sting promo, Sting calls out Hulk Hogan, Dixie Carter walks to the ring before the commercial break

Q2: 1.38 rating - Sting and Dixie Carter in the ring, Kurt Angle and Beer Money segment

Q3: 1.32 rating - Sting books the main event, Storm steps up and takes the title shot when Roode contractually could not, Eric Bischoff and Immortal confront Hulk Hogan backstage, two commercial breaks

Q4: 1.42 rating- Brooke Tessmacher and Tara vs. Angelina Love and Winter, Jeff and Karen Jarrett call out Jeff Hardy

Q5: 1.38 rating - Jarrett and Hardy pull apart, Angle promo backstage, Hogan and Sting video package, Eric Young announces to Robbie E and Rob Terry that he's bringing in a guy from Jersey Shore, Gunner calls out Abyss

Q6: 1.30 rating - Abyss vs. Gunner, Velvet Sky backstage, Gunner backstage, Velvet video package, Velvet, Karen Jarrett, and Traci Brooks in-ring segment

Q7: 1.34 rating - Knockouts continuation, Immortal and Hulk Hogan segment with Sting and Garrett Bischoff

Q8: 1.29 rating - Beer Money backstage, James Storm beats Kurt Angle for the TNA Title


But look at the ratings. The fans stayed tuned for those segments. The lowest point of the show was the main event. If that doesn't speak volumes to fans then what will? People think pro wrestling should be all that is on a wrestling show. Maybe in other organisations that is the case but with TNA the fans tuned int to see the stars and they didn't just tune out after 5 minutes. They stayed tuned in.
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Old 22-10-2011, 20:01
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People think pro wrestling should be all that is on a wrestling show.
Nobody thinks that.
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Old 22-10-2011, 20:25
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The main event match that i am pretty sure everyone watching that show knew the result of drew the lowest quarter. People tuned out! And a TNA original was crowned champion! Even 1.29 is a great rating. It wasn't like last year when after the fallout from who 'they' were got high ratings and then the rest of the show went way back down to normality. People seem to have stuck with this show in the US and most of it is talking segments. It's just like WWE the night after Wrestlemania, it's very promo heavy. You need to do that to tie up the loose ends, end some stories completely and then start entire new ones. James Storm as champion is a new start and TNA have another set of TV tapings outside the Impact Zone in a few weeks. Finally it seems as though things are moving forward.
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Old 27-10-2011, 02:20
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They put the title on Roode tonight, turning him heel and having him hit Storm with a beer bottle for the pin.

Goodbye Beer Money, it was fun.
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Old 27-10-2011, 14:14
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"Hogan changed the ending of BFG at the last minute as he felt Roode wasn't ready for the title"

Yet he was 2 weeks later? LOL, I can't believe anybody actually believed such nonsense in the first place, proof positive to take whatever you read in the dirtsheets with a pinch of salt.

Also AJ Styles vs. Bobby Roode has been made for the Turning Point main event. Should be an excellent match, glad to see AJ back in the main event picture, although I don't expect him to win.
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Old 27-10-2011, 19:06
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"Hogan changed the ending of BFG at the last minute as he felt Roode wasn't ready for the title"

Yet he was 2 weeks later? LOL, I can't believe anybody actually believed such nonsense in the first place, proof positive to take whatever you read in the dirtsheets with a pinch of salt.

Also AJ Styles vs. Bobby Roode has been made for the Turning Point main event. Should be an excellent match, glad to see AJ back in the main event picture, although I don't expect him to win.
The plan was for Roode to win the title at BFG. Hogan got the decision changed on the weekend of the show. Judging by what they've done, Hogan thinks Storm is the better option as the babyface champion. Hogan's right that Storm is a better babyface and Roode's a better heel, but they shouldn't have booked it in the way they did. TNA clearly went with the idea of Roode being the guy. If that wasn't the plan as Meltzer has said, why did they spend the last several months doing the hard sell babyface stuff with Roode if he was just going to lose to Angle and then turn on his partner a couple of weeks into Storms title reign. They've changed their long term plans and according to several people within the company, it was Hogan. As for the Storm vs Roode stuff, it's way to quick. Slow the f*ck down.

I heard that the AJ vs Roode match is announced on the last segment of the last show before the PPV. Not the best.
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Old 27-10-2011, 19:49
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Hogan got the decision changed at BFG - then Bruce Pritchard took over.

I agree with the final situation, but it should not have happened this way. If you want heel Roode as champ, let him win at BFG, and turn on Storm whilst heel (being afraid of losing the title).

And it shouldnt have happened this quickly. They drag out the stories nobody cares about (the 18 month main event mafia, the reign of Immortal that is likely to go on until Lockdown), and blow their wad on the good stuff faster than a teenage virgin finally getting his first boobage.
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Old 27-10-2011, 23:15
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The plan was for Roode to win the title at BFG. Hogan got the decision changed on the weekend of the show. Judging by what they've done, Hogan thinks Storm is the better option as the babyface champion. Hogan's right that Storm is a better babyface and Roode's a better heel, but they shouldn't have booked it in the way they did. TNA clearly went with the idea of Roode being the guy. If that wasn't the plan as Meltzer has said, why did they spend the last several months doing the hard sell babyface stuff with Roode if he was just going to lose to Angle and then turn on his partner a couple of weeks into Storms title reign. They've changed their long term plans and according to several people within the company, it was Hogan. As for the Storm vs Roode stuff, it's way to quick. Slow the f*ck down.
Lol, I still can't believe people like yourself hang on every word Meltzer says. Whenever his predictions don't come true - which is most of the time - he comes up with some bullshit excuse like "plans were changed at the last minute", or his favourite TNA excuse, "it was Hogan/Russo/Bischoff's fault".

The reason they did the babyface stuff with Roode only to have him lose was simply to swerve the audience in the following weeks of Impact by having him turn on his partner. Now you can debate until you're blue in the face the merits and demerits of this type of booking, but either way, this explanation makes a helluva more sense than Hogan supposedly changing the outcome at BFG and then putting the belt on Roode again 2 weeks later.

Personally, I had little problem with Roode losing at BFG as I knew he'd be remaining in the main event picture, but the problem was that it was the main event and it was a damp squib of an ending.
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Old 28-10-2011, 03:08
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Lol, I still can't believe people like yourself hang on every word Meltzer says. Whenever his predictions don't come true - which is most of the time - he comes up with some bullshit excuse like "plans were changed at the last minute", or his favourite TNA excuse, "it was Hogan/Russo/Bischoff's fault".

The reason they did the babyface stuff with Roode only to have him lose was simply to swerve the audience in the following weeks of Impact by having him turn on his partner. Now you can debate until you're blue in the face the merits and demerits of this type of booking, but either way, this explanation makes a helluva more sense than Hogan supposedly changing the outcome at BFG and then putting the belt on Roode again 2 weeks later.

Personally, I had little problem with Roode losing at BFG as I knew he'd be remaining in the main event picture, but the problem was that it was the main event and it was a damp squib of an ending.
Meltzer doesn't make predictions anymore; for a start if he said something they'd change it purely because he said it, WWE would anyway. Observe this brother! He said it made sense for Roode to win at BFG. And it did.

As someone pointed out here recently, pro wrestling is not MMA, people aren't watching purely to see who wins, they want to see solid storytelling- and putting in an illogical plot twist that made no sense given the months of build up purely to swerve the internet is not good storytelling.
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Old 28-10-2011, 17:11
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Meltzer doesn't make predictions anymore; for a start if he said something they'd change it purely because he said it, WWE would anyway. Observe this brother! He said it made sense for Roode to win at BFG. And it did.

As someone pointed out here recently, pro wrestling is not MMA, people aren't watching purely to see who wins, they want to see solid storytelling- and putting in an illogical plot twist that made no sense given the months of build up purely to swerve the internet is not good storytelling.
How was Roode losing an illogical plot twist? Once again this is the IWC throwing terms like 'illogical' out every 5 seconds without even stopping to think about what it means.

Roode LOST a match - thanks to Angle cheating - and according to some people this is illogical. No, it's not. It makes perfect sense. It was just a badly booked ending to BFG as there was a sense of "Was that it?".
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Old 28-10-2011, 17:35
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Building up a babyface for months and then booking him to lose in 14:00 minutes at the "biggest PPV of the year" is illogical.
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Old 28-10-2011, 17:49
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Lol, I still can't believe people like yourself hang on every word Meltzer says. Whenever his predictions don't come true - which is most of the time - he comes up with some bullshit excuse like "plans were changed at the last minute", or his favourite TNA excuse, "it was Hogan/Russo/Bischoff's fault".
If you listen to anyone whose worked in major companies, they say stuff changes all of the time. Whether you want to believe that, it's up to you. However in this instance we have had several insider sources saying the same thing. People within the company saying the same thing. Didn't AJ go on twitter and berate Hogan (might be kayfabe). Hogan traditionally has done stuff like this, so realistically it isn't untoward to think he did this again.

The reason they did the babyface stuff with Roode only to have him lose was simply to swerve the audience in the following weeks of Impact by having him turn on his partner. Now you can debate until you're blue in the face the merits and demerits of this type of booking, but either way, this explanation makes a helluva more sense than Hogan supposedly changing the outcome at BFG and then putting the belt on Roode again 2 weeks later.
Or maybe the reason was they planned on Roode being the babyface champion by coming from low in the BFG series to winning the BFG series and pushing him strong for 3 months with vignettes a plenty, winning the Title at BFG and Hogan made the call to amend the finish. Then you have a scenario where Roode is portrayed as weak for failing to win the belt against Angle, plus your adding babyface aspects to a heel character due to the build up.

Personally, I had little problem with Roode losing at BFG as I knew he'd be remaining in the main event picture, but the problem was that it was the main event and it was a damp squib of an ending.
It made him look stupid. Storm winning the title in a fluke 2 minute match didn't make him look legit either. Plus he loses on his first defence.
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Old 28-10-2011, 18:52
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Or maybe the reason was they planned on Roode being the babyface champion by coming from low in the BFG series to winning the BFG series and pushing him strong for 3 months with vignettes a plenty, winning the Title at BFG and Hogan made the call to amend the finish. Then you have a scenario where Roode is portrayed as weak for failing to win the belt against Angle, plus your adding babyface aspects to a heel character due to the build up.
You're still overlooking one key fact - if Hogan had enough stroke in TNA to change the ending of the main event of their biggest PPV at the last minute, then what happened to all this stroke when the belt was put on Roode 2 weeks later?

You wanna talk about illogical? It is illogical that people think Hogan changed the ending of the main event of BFG at the last minute for supposedly not thinking Roode was ready, only for Roode to get the belt 2 weeks later. So one of two things happened. Either:

a) Hogan changed his mind, which seems highly unlikely given that Roode displayed nothing at BFG in his match with Angle that suggested he was main event material

or

b) Hogan was overruled by higher powers who decided they were going to put the belt on Roode anyway. If this was the case, it calls the entire BFG Hogan screwjob ending into serious question, because you don't change the ending of your biggest PPV main event and then get overruled on an episode of Impact.
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