[DejaVoodoo]

Originally Posted by wildmovieguy

What else can they do? Their main angle for their next PPV has had to be cancelled due to Anderson's injury and Jeff's court dates. Jeff wont be appearing on Impact at all and Anderson wont be cleared to wrestle anytime soon so the best thing is to just keep them on the sidelines so that when they are both able to go back to work they can give them the proper amount of TV time needed to hype the match up. Even if nothing was wrong with Anderson the fact is Jeff cannot make any Impact tapings at all and might not even make the PPV.

It's no different than WWE sending John Cena to all the Smackdown house shows next week even though he is a Raw star. I'm sure a lot of Raw fans will be upset at not seeing him but.....the Undertaker is injured yet again. Sometimes plans need to be changed at the last minute. Anderson is the top face in TNA right now and he can't work. They had to do something.

I was actually talking about the Hogan real idea rather than holding off Anderson vs Hardy, which giving the circumstances is fair enough. Only issue you could say is they knew Hardy's trial was coming up so maybe should have turned someone else.

Originally Posted by whedon247

3 russo impacts in a row.....3 best impacts ever,thank you vince

And the trolling continues.....

[decemberboy]

TNA gives Hardy the world title and then have to remove him from TV.

No wonder championship belts mean nothing.

[The Alpha Gamer]

Actualy I heard that the reason Jeff missed tapings was because his daughter was born a few days ago

[Georged123]

Originally Posted by decemberboy

TNA gives Hardy the world title and then have to remove him from TV.

No wonder championship belts mean nothing.

I dont see how the champion not being present means they championship is being devalued.

[decemberboy]

Originally Posted by Georged123

I dont see how the champion not being present means they championship is being devalued.

The championship belt (and therefore the champion) is what an organisation should be built around.He should be the centrepiece of the TV show.

If he's off TV due to selling a beating or something only to make a comeback at the pay-per-view then fine but Hardy isn't, he's just not there.

[JasonWatkins]

Originally Posted by Georged123

I dont see how the champion not being present means they championship is being devalued.

The only way you can really devalue a championship is by constantly giving it to different people and having those matches end in cheap decisions.

I remember back in the day when Vader was WCW World Champion for over a year straight and you knew that the belt meant something then - he was booked to defend it against anyone and everyone and usually booked to go over relatively clean as well and it really made it a strong belt and made it a big deal when he eventually lost it.

Those were the days

[Georged123]

Originally Posted by decemberboy

The championship belt (and therefore the champion) is what an organisation should be built around.He should be the centrepiece of the TV show.

If he's off TV due to selling a beating or something only to make a comeback at the pay-per-view then fine but Hardy isn't, he's just not there.

As JasonWatkins has said, I only find a championship to be devalued if it changes hands all the time. With his daughter being born and court troubles he has other things on his mind.

Was it a great idea then to give him the title now? Timing wise no but for storyline purposes yes. As long as it is just one or two shows then I dont have much of problem, it certainly doesnt make the belt look cheap.

[wildmovieguy]

With Fortune and Immortals being booked so strongly there is no way they are taking that belt off Jeff anytime soon.

[Karl Rove]

Seen TNA I got bored watching it after hafe an hour.And I seen Smackdown and there was more action on.Everything on TNA was all cheap cheese promo's and look like a amater version of WCW in 1998 around early mid 99 when it was not doing well.it was hard to watch and was like a weak WCW thunder without the darkness and the lighting.

I am not dissing the TNA fans but they need too improve the company's show more.

[wildmovieguy]

Well when their top face is out for the time being what else can they do? I know Anderson vs Hardy is still being advertised for the PPV but they were right to not even mention it on Impact because it might end up neither man can make the PPV. Something HAD to happen on Impact to compensate for losing the people in their main storyline, it just so happened to be a Matt Morgan turn and no one can say it wasn't written well because i know there is a lot of marks online moaning all the time about concussions and all the other stuff they come out with regarding injurys to the head. So they probably loved all that talk about concussions on the show and the fact it was treated seriously.

And Fortune really should have 4 members. They were right to get rid of Morgan because he hasn't benefitted from being with the group, the rest have all had a decent amount of TV time to themselves. Doug Williams is another one who doesn't really benefit from it, he is just there in the background aswell.

[DejaVoodoo]

Originally Posted by wildmovieguy

Well when their top face is out for the time being what else can they do? I know Anderson vs Hardy is still being advertised for the PPV but they were right to not even mention it on Impact because it might end up neither man can make the PPV. Something HAD to happen on Impact to compensate for losing the people in their main storyline, it just so happened to be a Matt Morgan turn and no one can say it wasn't written well because i know there is a lot of marks online moaning all the time about concussions and all the other stuff they come out with regarding injurys to the head. So they probably loved all that talk about concussions on the show and the fact it was treated seriously.

And Fortune really should have 4 members. They were right to get rid of Morgan because he hasn't benefitted from being with the group, the rest have all had a decent amount of TV time to themselves. Doug Williams is another one who doesn't really benefit from it, he is just there in the background aswell.

Matt Morgan or any guy who has recently turned babyface shouldn't be losing in the short term, especially on the same show he did his turn. Not if you want him to get over and especially if you have him headlining the next ppv.

[Ghost World]

Originally Posted by wildmovieguy

Well when their top face is out for the time being what else can they do?

Kurt Angle would have been the most obvious choice. Nobody is going to be up in arms if Angle vs. Jarrett is delayed.

Samoa Joe? No idea what his situation is.

The Pope? He was part of the "They" storyline, so it would have made sense for him to face off with the man who sold his soul to join "Them". Plus it would save us from the Last Rites match.

If they really needed to turn someone, I think AJ Styles would have made more sense. AJ could have turned on Flair (accusing him of selling out by aligning himself with Hogan). Plus, he's a former World Champion who has been at the top before.

I would think any of those options would have been more sensible than turning him heel in the space of one show.

Originally Posted by wildmovieguy

Something HAD to happen on Impact to compensate for losing the people in their main storyline, it just so happened to be a Matt Morgan turn and no one can say it wasn't written well because i know there is a lot of marks online moaning all the time about concussions and all the other stuff they come out with regarding injurys to the head. So they probably loved all that talk about concussions on the show and the fact it was treated seriously.

People already have; it was rushed and out-of-character. You tried to defend it by saying maybe Morgan would be back in the group and it would be the start of a longer storyline, but that wasn't the case.

[wildmovieguy]

Matt Morgan shouldn't be headling or winning any matches just yet. They can't let Fortune or Immortal look weak.

Morgan already admitted his faults and admitted that he had put Hernandez out for 3 months. He used the argument that they are young superstars and the 'older' guys need to look out for them. Kurt Angle is no younger guy so he cant make that argument and Kurt is already a face. Neither Kurt or Pope could make the argument about concussions like Matt could. Kurt has his problems with Flair and Bischoff, Pope is just fighting the good fight and taking on all comers, Samoa Joe cant very well make a miraculous comeback after what happened to him last week and Jeff seems to want to make a statement every week so he was the ideal choice for Morgan to go after especially since it was Jeff scheduled to take on Anderson.

Yes it may have been rushed but they turned the right guy and gave him a good argument to turn and when it comes to concussions he is the right guy for it since that is exactly what he did to Hernandez. It is more believable coming from him.

There is no point having AJ going after the title just now. We've already seen it done for far too long, it's time to give other people a chance at the gold. They are booking Immortal and Fortune really well by not letting any babyfaces really get to them. The longer they dominate the more people will want to see everyone else in TNA team up and take them on and hopefully...pay for it on PPV.

A week on Monday when the next taping begins they will be in a better position to judge what to do. They will know what dates Jeff will and wont be able to make and they will know what Anderson will and wont be able to do. Right now the match is still on for the PPV and it could still go ahead.

[jamespondo]

As mentioned,TNA have enough credible babyfaces without having to run a quick heel turn.There is RVD,Dinero and Samoa Joe...or even Mick Foley (he was also screwed over by Hogan/Bischoff).
Despite this TNA appears to have done it's best to make it believable.

I read they jobbed their new major babyface to 40 something Jeff Jarrett in less than 4 minutes,without any outside interference.That is why TNA struggles to create credible headliners.

[Ghost World]

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[wildmovieguy]

Yeah but no Anderson/Hardy takes a large part out of the show. They cant just ignore that they are not there. Matt Morgan will never be a headliner, having him bloodied and choked out was the right thing to do. None of those going against Fortune/Immortal should have any winning matches against them at least until the next PPV. Why have them winning? All that does is take heat off of Fortune/Immortal. They need to keep building that heat up week by week.

[Ghost World]

Originally Posted by wildmovieguy

Matt Morgan shouldn't be headling or winning any matches just yet. They can't let Fortune or Immortal look weak.

You can keep the faction strong without jobbing out your title challenger to a 40-year-old nobody.

Nobody is going to pay to see Matt Morgan face Jeff Hardy unless he's booked strongly.

[wildmovieguy]

Originally Posted by Ghost World

You can keep the faction strong without jobbing out your title challenger to a 40-year-old nobody.

Nobody is going to pay to see Matt Morgan face Jeff Hardy unless he's booked strongly.

But you can't have it all happen in one night. He turned his back on his partners. He needs to pay for that before he can start going against them with any kind of threat. Right up until that chain match he was still trying to talk Jeff around and talk him out of it. No one expected that match to happen and that was their intention.

[John.Ditchfield]

I see Mr Flehr is directing traffic tonight, has anyone else noticed how Dixie Carter looks like Celine Dion

[jamespondo]

Originally Posted by wildmovieguy

Yeah but no Anderson/Hardy takes a large part out of the show. They cant just ignore that they are not there. Matt Morgan will never be a headliner, having him bloodied and choked out was the right thing to do. None of those going against Fortune/Immortal should have any winning matches against them at least until the next PPV. Why have them winning? All that does is take heat off of Fortune/Immortal. They need to keep building that heat up week by week.

Maybe he will,maybe he won't.He can certainly talk,looks believable,work a solid short match and work a decent enough longer match with the right opponent.Either way,the guy deserves a shot - being made to look inferior to a 43 year old never was is certainly not progressive.Jarrett's not going to draw big bucks at this stage in his career and has jobbed numerous times anyway.

How about Morgan convincingly beats down Jarrett but the match ends in a no contest.Then Immortal/Fortune attacks and bloodies Morgan.Both parties lose no face.

Let's not forget it's the likes of Morgan working the live events every weekend, Jarrett less so.He's needs to look strong - who pays to see a show filled with less credible wrestlers.

[DejaVoodoo]

Originally Posted by jamespondo

How about Morgan convincingly beats down Jarrett but the match ends in a no contest.Then Immortal/Fortune attacks and bloodies Morgan.Both parties lose no face.

Makes too much sense.

[JCR]

Originally Posted by jamespondo

who pays to see a show filled with less credible wrestlers.

Not many: TNA house show Port Huron, Michigan on 24/10/10:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rJZ6...layer_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EumR1...eature=related

Less than 200 people there.

[Georged123]

Originally Posted by JCR

Not many: TNA house show Port Huron, Michigan on 24/10/10:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rJZ6...layer_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EumR1...eature=related

Less than 200 people there.

Meltzer said there was 700 there, Im shocked you are going against what the great man has said.

[JCR]

Originally Posted by Georged123

Meltzer said there was 700 there, Im shocked you are going against what the great man has said.

So he did. I've been lied to by the internet! I'll never post again! (Without checking the Observer first ).

[wildmovieguy]

I also see you ignored the comments from other youtubers who were there, one who even said that this was well before the show and that he tooks pictures which shows there were a lot more people there.