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Old 12-10-2010, 11:54
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Click on below if you want any proof

http://www.rockradio.co.uk/rock-news...hart/s8ni5k27/
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Old 12-10-2010, 12:52
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Good to see that. TV's obsession with chart music is clearly out of synch with public taste.
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Old 12-10-2010, 13:25
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never ceases to amaze me how out of touch the media can be sometimes.
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Old 12-10-2010, 14:17
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Lady Gaga only 10th in the list as well - perhaps she's not quite as big as all the hype would make us believe.
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Old 12-10-2010, 16:32
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Well, well, well, who'd have thought it? Acts that can actually play sell more tickets.
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Old 12-10-2010, 17:41
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old acts with an old following, us older people have more money to spend then the general fans of singles chart music. many of those acts have ben around over 20 years and have amassed a huge fanbase.

what im saying is that theres no real comparison between this list and 'chart' music, of course rock has always been popular, the only ones not thinking so are those who think the singles chart is the be all and end all of music.
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Old 12-10-2010, 18:06
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Well, well, well, who'd have thought it? Acts that can actually play sell more tickets.
Spot on

It seems to me as if there is now a world of difference between chart acts and live musicians with less and less crossover between the two.

Chart acts are all about image, with very little substance. Some may be able to sing a bit and it's acceptable to mime when performing 'live' because it's all about the 'show' - the staging and the dancing. This is OK if it's done honestly but not if it's conning the audience. These shows should be advertised as being wholly or partly mimed performances. I'd like to see that passed as a law!!

Anyway, I'm off to see Guns n'Roses at the O2 on Thursday and I don't expect there'll be any miming going on there!!

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Old 12-10-2010, 18:19
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The rock scene is always about live gigs than CD sales. It's been like this for ages. Rock acts can sell out arenas but get absolutely no publicity outside of the alternative and indie worlds (and I don't just mean NME!)

Acts know there's increasingly less money to be made from selling music now, so if they're good on the live scene then all the best!
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Old 12-10-2010, 23:57
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Its an interesting set of statistics. The one in three figure is interesting and certainly shows that rock music is still the most popular form of live music in the world.

What was interesting to me and perhaps alarming for the long term health of rock music was perhaps the lack of "strength in depth" to borrow a football phrase in the rock music world, 34% of the bands could be classed as "rock" but it jumped out at me that the top 3 artists were hardly recent and, that while the top 3 in the "rock list" were 1,2 and 4 on the over all list the 4th artist on the "rock list" was 17th on the over all list. That is a hell of a jump.

More to the point you have to go to 25 on the rock list and 74th over all to find a band (30 seconds to mars) who have broken through in the last 5 years. Only 2 of the rock list could, I think, be described as "new" (the other being Vampire Weekend).

The sucess of older acts like AC/DC, Bon Jovi and Metallica may be masking a lack of new rock bands, frankly looking at the top 5 rock acts it could have been 1990's top live rock acts not 2010.

Thats fine but the worry being with bands who were around 20 years ago dominating the rock list to such an extent, are new acts able to build up a live following as AC/DC, Bon Jovi and Metallica did in the 80's, and as a result will rock dominate the 2020 list in the same way?
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Old 13-10-2010, 00:17
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Its an interesting set of statistics. The one in three figure is interesting and certainly shows that rock music is still the most popular form of live music in the world.

What was interesting to me and perhaps alarming for the long term health of rock music was perhaps the lack of "strength in depth" to borrow a football phrase in the rock music world, 34% of the bands could be classed as "rock" but it jumped out at me that the top 3 artists were hardly recent and, that while the top 3 in the "rock list" were 1,2 and 4 on the over all list the 4th artist on the "rock list" was 17th on the over all list. That is a hell of a jump.

More to the point you have to go to 25 on the rock list and 74th over all to find a band (30 seconds to mars) who have broken through in the last 5 years. Only 2 of the rock list could, I think, be described as "new" (the other being Vampire Weekend).

The sucess of older acts like AC/DC, Bon Jovi and Metallica may be masking a lack of new rock bands, frankly looking at the top 5 rock acts it could have been 1990's top live rock acts not 2010.

Thats fine but the worry being with bands who were around 20 years ago dominating the rock list to such an extent, are new acts able to build up a live following as AC/DC, Bon Jovi and Metallica did in the 80's, and as a result will rock dominate the 2020 list in the same way?
Though the list doesn't feature bands who took all or most of the year off from touring so maybe not fair to be too specific.

And some of the non-rock acts were no spring chickens either (James Taylor & Carole King at no. 15, for example).

The full list is here:

http://www.pollstarpro.com/specialfe...op100Tours.pdf

Note that acts like Coldplay and The Cranberries are not regarded as "rock".
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Old 13-10-2010, 00:23
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Nickelback at number 6?

I sincerely hope that that is a sick joke. That band are dire.
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Old 13-10-2010, 00:30
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Though the list doesn't feature bands who took all or most of the year off from touring so maybe not fair to be too specific.

And some of the non-rock acts were no spring chickens either (James Taylor & Carole King at no. 15, for example).

The full list is here:

http://www.pollstarpro.com/specialfe...op100Tours.pdf

Note that acts like Coldplay and The Cranberries are not regarded as "rock".
Thanks, my next question was going to be "has anyone seen the full list?"

Its not really possible to declare the live rock scene in trouble due to the lack of newer acts but its certainly note worthy if nothing else that the pop world is a little better at bringing new talent through than the rock world (or perhaps it just does it more gradually.....)

However, there is definately a joke to be made about the top four acts on the over all list all being Dinosaurs.

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Old 13-10-2010, 00:34
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However, there is definately a joke to be made about the top four acts on the over all list all being Dinosaurs.

Shame Marc Bolan isn't still around to tour.
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Old 13-10-2010, 00:54
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Good to see that. TV's obsession with chart music is clearly out of synch with public taste.
I know, that's nearly all the music channels show is the same few chart songs all the time. Can get boring after a while.
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Old 13-10-2010, 02:05
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How I would break down the stats / list (top 30)

Rock
Over a million ticket sales
1 AC / DC (formed 1973) Hard Rock
2 Bon Jovi (formed 1983) Hard Rock
4 Dave Mathews Band (formed 1990) Jam Rock
Over 1/2 Million ticket sales
17 John Mayer (formed 1992) Blues rock
18 Metallica (formed 1981) Thrash / Heavy Metal
Below 1/2 million
21 Nickleback (formed 1995) Post-grunge / Metal
23 Eagles (formed 1971) Country Rock
24 Phish (formed 1983) Jam Rock
26 Paul McCartney (active from late '50's) Rock
27 Muse (formed 1994) Alternative / Progressive / Heavy Rock
29 Depeche Mode (formed 1980) early synth-pop / later Alternative (gothic) pop rock

Pop
Over 1/2 million ticket sales
5 Black Eyed Peas (formed 1992) R&B / Hip-Hop pop
7 Michael Buble (formed 1996) Crossover Vocal Jazz / Pop (perhaps should be in other classification even ?)
10 Lady Gaga (formed 2005) Dance pop
11 Pink (formed 1995) general pop rock
12 Taylor Swift (formed 2006) Country pop / teen pop
14 Justin Bieber (formed 2009) Pop / R&B pop
Below 1/2 million
22 X-factor - general pop

Other
Over 1/2 million ticket sales
3
6 Tim McGraw (formed 1992) Country
8 Brad Paisley (formed 1997) Country / Southern Rock
9
13 Brooks & Dunn (formed 1990) Country
15 James Taylor / Carole King (formed '60's) Singer-song writer / folk rock (early period could be considered pop but not part of mainstream pop now)
16
20 Rascal Flatts (formed 2000) Country
Below 1/2 million
25
28 Winter Jam - mixed genres tour
30 George strait etc. - Country

The rest of the list seems to follow a similar pattern with rock again coming out on top over pop.
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Old 13-10-2010, 02:41
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This thread has failed to take note of the following:

1) Pop artists generally perform few concerts than rock acts, so will have few tickets sold as a result.
2) Pop concert tickets cost a lot more than rock concerts - probably about twice to three times as much as standard.
3) Nobody ever said rock music wasn't popular, it just doesn't shift CDs as it used to, relying entirely on TicketMaster.
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Old 13-10-2010, 07:25
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Shame Marc Bolan isn't still around to tour.
he was pop....
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Old 13-10-2010, 09:25
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This thread has failed to take note of the following:

1) Pop artists generally perform few concerts than rock acts, so will have few tickets sold as a result.
2) Pop concert tickets cost a lot more than rock concerts - probably about twice to three times as much as standard.
3) Nobody ever said rock music wasn't popular, it just doesn't shift CDs as it used to, relying entirely on TicketMaster.
Good points. Stats like this are fine, but all it tells us about is the live scene, just as using the singles charts to assert the popularity of pop music would be overly simplistic, using live attendance to assert rock music only tells us that there is a very healthy live rock scene.
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Old 13-10-2010, 09:51
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Lady Gaga only 10th in the list as well - perhaps she's not quite as big as all the hype would make us believe.
Depends entirely on how you interpret the stats. ACDC have had about 40 years to buid up a fan base big enough to shift 1.8million tickets. Lady Gaga's been around for maybe two years, three tops, and is already shifting nearly half that amount. It also doesn't take into account how many tour dates it took for the respective bands to sell that many tickets. Is a band that sells 15,000 tickets on 100 tour dates (1.5 million tickets) in 100 different cities more popular than a band that sells 50,000 on 20 tour dates (1 million tickets) in 10 different cities?
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Old 13-10-2010, 10:01
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Its not really possible to declare the live rock scene in trouble due to the lack of newer acts but its certainly note worthy if nothing else that the pop world is a little better at bringing new talent through than the rock world (or perhaps it just does it more gradually.....)

However, there is definately a joke to be made about the top four acts on the over all list all being Dinosaurs.

I think it just takes longer for rock acts to "break through".

A new pop act is heavily marketed before their first single is even released, in all the tabloids, TV shows, etc. Whereas a rock band works their way up building their fan base.

But I do agree whilst there is a top level of rock bands, as the list shows but there aren't too many bands pushing to replace them.

3) Nobody ever said rock music wasn't popular, it just doesn't shift CDs as it used to, relying entirely on TicketMaster.
Rock music does still shift CDs, but bands shift albums, rather than singles and downloads.

I think this is why rock music has become so seperate from pop music these days. The media still concentrate very much on the singles chart so for those who pretty much only get their music information from the general media rock music pretty much passes them by.
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Old 13-10-2010, 14:38
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Shame Marc Bolan isn't still around to tour.
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Old 13-10-2010, 16:56
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Indeed.

I think it just takes longer for rock acts to "break through".

A new pop act is heavily marketed before their first single is even released, in all the tabloids, TV shows, etc. Whereas a rock band works their way up building their fan base.

But I do agree whilst there is a top level of rock bands, as the list shows but there aren't too many bands pushing to replace them.
Indeed, a rock band is not going to get the level of mass exposure that lady Gaga has had, which has allowed her to build the live following she has in the last few years, instead its a much more gradual process and thats probably quite healthy.

I do worry as you said that there does not seem to be rock bands pushing ACDC etc, especially as it does take so long for a rock band to build a live following via gradual build up.

My fear is that when ACDC pack it in (if they ever do :P) will that listed by topped be X factor live and Lady Gaga and so on.
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