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Ipod Touch Con!
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turbo10
13-10-2010
Just got myself a new IPod Touch (Latest Version)
It’s a great device but what a disappointment when registering on crazy ITunes I was confronted with a form to have my Bank Card Details just to get free apps and games, what a disgrace and what a security con.
You can’t do a simple drag and drop on windows explorer, but a complicated long winded procedure on iTunes. The device does not even show up on My Computer as an extra Drive.
Result a “Naked IPod”
IvanIV
13-10-2010
Yes, that's how it works. Welcome to the jobsian ghetto
ironjade
13-10-2010
Idiots
Pick
Our
Device.
psionic
13-10-2010
Get a pre-pay iTunes card and you can register with that. You don't need to provide any debit/credit card details. That is how I registered iPods for both my kids.
clonmult
13-10-2010
Originally Posted by turbo10:
“You can’t do a simple drag and drop on windows explorer, but a complicated long winded procedure on iTunes. The device does not even show up on My Computer as an extra Drive.
Result a “Naked IPod””

Has there been a massive change in the latest iTunes release and the new iPods then?

With the iPod Touch (2nd/3rd gen) and various other iPods (apart from the shuffle) you've always been able to do drag and drop, albeit from Explorer directly to the iPod itself as its shown on iTunes.

Its really not that difficult to use at all .....
Confusing
13-10-2010
I never had to enter my card details?

To remove yours, go to View My Account

then Edit Payment Information

then select None.
PrinceGaz
13-10-2010
It's not a con, as others have said you cany use a iTunes gift card to register payment details (okay so you need to buy the card which I think is £15 for the cheapest, but you'll probably end up buying some apps on iTunes sooner or later so you haven't lost out financially in the long run).

Apple would never allow full access to the file-system of the iTouch or similar devices as they prefer to keep things as simple as possible for users (and prevent users from doing things which could brick their iDevice if they removed essential files). There are apps available which allow you to use your iDevice for file storage/transfer/viewing, though they do so by providing a dedicated folder for all your files and folders to be placed so you still cannot change anything else on the device. If you want full access to the file-system, you have to go down the jailbreaking route, of which I won't say more other than that it is pretty straightforwards provided you read up about it first and understand what you are doing, what else you will need to do, and the implications of it.
sassyblue
13-10-2010
Originally Posted by psionic:
“Get a pre-pay iTunes card and you can register with that. You don't need to provide any debit/credit card details. That is how I registered iPods for both my kids.”

^ This
scumble
13-10-2010
Originally Posted by PrinceGaz:
“It's not a con, as others have said you cany use a iTunes gift card to register payment details (okay so you need to buy the card which I think is £15 for the cheapest, but you'll probably end up buying some apps on iTunes sooner or later so you haven't lost out financially in the long run).”

Of course it's a careful marketing con. By forcing you to either plug in your card details or buy an iTunes gift card, Apple are forcing you to make a choice between opening a potentially unlimited credit account with them, or (if you are too cautious for that), making sure they get at least £15 out of you.

Originally Posted by PrinceGaz:
“ Apple would never allow full access to the file-system of the iTouch or similar devices as they prefer to keep things as simple as possible for users (and prevent users from doing things which could brick their iDevice if they removed essential files).”

Rubbish. Drag'n'drop is the simplest way to to transfer files. Bricking prevention is all about where they store the filesystem back-up (in ROM is best), and other failsafes - like the iPod Restore Tool. With some cures, you might lose your music, but can restore your iPod to life. If Apple really cared about people bricking their iPods, they would stop making it necessary for people to jailbreak them.

The real reason you can't normally access the file system is simple: to prevent you from swapping music with your mates.. That's also the reason why iPods rename all track filenames into a strange unreadable code when they are transferred from your computer onto the player. The iPod filesystem is in fact much more complex than it needs to be.

Originally Posted by PrinceGaz:
“If you want full access to the file-system, you have to go down the jailbreaking route, of which I won't say more other than that it is pretty straightforwards provided you read up about it first and understand what you are doing, what else you will need to do, and the implications of it.”

Good advice.
Confusing
13-10-2010
Originally Posted by scumble:
“Of course it's a careful marketing con. By forcing you to either plug in your card details or buy an iTunes gift card, Apple are forcing you to make a choice between opening a potentially unlimited credit account with them, or (if you are too cautious for that), making sure they get at least £15 out of you.


Rubbish. Drag'n'drop is the simplest way to to transfer files. Bricking prevention is all about where they store the filesystem back-up (in ROM is best), and other failsafes - like the iPod Restore Tool. With some cures, you might lose your music, but can restore your iPod to life. If Apple really cared about people bricking their iPods, they would stop making it necessary for people to jailbreak them.

The real reason you can't normally access the file system is simple: to prevent you from swapping music with your mates.. That's also the reason why iPods rename all track filenames into a strange unreadable code when they are transferred from your computer onto the player. The iPod filesystem is in fact much more complex than it needs to be.


Good advice.”

But you don't have to enter your card details or buy a itunes card, you can just select 'None'.

And I can drag and drop music, artwork, etc into iTunes, as well as dragging stuff out of iTunes into different folders.
scumble
13-10-2010
Originally Posted by Confusing:
“But you don't have to enter your card details or buy a itunes card, you can just select 'None'.”

S/he said that it was not possible to register on iTunes (i.e. the store, in order to pick free apps) without doing one or the other. Why should that be?

Originally Posted by Confusing:
“And I can drag and drop music, artwork, etc into iTunes, as well as dragging stuff out of iTunes into different folders. ”

You are confused. The complaint was about dragging and dropping music between computer and iPod, not into iTunes.
Erlang
13-10-2010
take it back, con over
BB-mega-addict
13-10-2010
Originally Posted by turbo10:
“Just got myself a new IPod Touch (Latest Version)
It’s a great device but what a disappointment when registering on crazy ITunes I was confronted with a form to have my Bank Card Details just to get free apps and games, what a disgrace and what a security con.
You can’t do a simple drag and drop on windows explorer, but a complicated long winded procedure on iTunes. The device does not even show up on My Computer as an extra Drive.
Result a “Naked IPod””

If you don't want to enter any card details, there's an easy way to get around this, Apple have a guide on their own website as to how to register without a credit card: http://support.apple.com/kb/ht2534

As for being forced to use iTunes, it's no different to the many ways Microsoft try to maintain their dominance. Using iTunes to add things to your iPod is apparently 'safer' as things are less likely to go wrong in the transfer than dragging and dropping. Plus, iTunes automatically checks for software updates for the various Apple products so if you didn't have to use it often, you would be more likely to miss important updates.
scumble
13-10-2010
Deleted. (repost).
Gormond
13-10-2010
Originally Posted by Erlang:
“take it back, con over”

Indeed, just like the iPhone song...

If you don't want an iPod Touch, Don't buy it.
If you buy one and you don't like it, Take it back.

There are plenty of other MP3 players out there, such as the Sony Walkman or Sandisk Sansa that does allow you to drag and drop music and doesn't ask you for any payment.
Soundburst
13-10-2010
Originally Posted by turbo10:
“Just got myself a new IPod Touch (Latest Version)
It’s a great device but what a disappointment when registering on crazy ITunes I was confronted with a form to have my Bank Card Details just to get free apps and games, what a disgrace and what a security con.
You can’t do a simple drag and drop on windows explorer, but a complicated long winded procedure on iTunes. The device does not even show up on My Computer as an extra Drive.
Result a “Naked IPod””

LMAO. There's an oxymoron if ever I've heard one.

You want to individually name songs , and albums, and artwork from Windows Explorer?

Rather than plug your iPod into the computer and have iTunes automatically copy over all the above information for you without a single click?
IvanIV
13-10-2010
Originally Posted by Soundburst:
“LMAO. There's an oxymoron if ever I've heard one.


You want to individually name songs , and albums, and artwork from Windows Explorer

Rather than plug your iPod into the computer and have iTunes automatically copy over all the above information for you without a single click?”

It is possible to have that info saved into metadata of the files during ripping of the CD. So drag&dropping the files with the explorer is enough.
Voynich
13-10-2010
Yeah it's load of crap having to go through iTunes. But nothing else touches it as mediaplayer cum pocket computer yet. It's fast, the screen is amazing and there's so much content. I've no loyalty to Apple so if something much better ever does come along, then I'll ditch it!
pocatello
14-10-2010
Boohoo, so they require valid details so they don't get people creating rubbish accounts all over the place. Big whoop, every time you use your credit card at a store or restaurant there is the chance of your data being stolen, worrying about apple is ridiculous paranoia. I'm sure you can keep your credit card info safe if you simply never ever use it. So yes, apple run a store, and to make it easy for you to buy they want to keep your account details up to date, what did you think they were? A charity? So what if you give them your credit card number, are they charging you for the free apps you wanted? Are they charging you bandwidth costs? Running a store and weeding all that content is not free, they have to make sure all programs are secure and are even filtering for garbage apps of no value as well now. It is a closed system, and so they can control security, whereas you can install whatever malware adware toolbar nonsense on your pc you want, and you see what a mess most pc users computers are. You are provided with the free service that weeds out garbage and dangerous programs that would indeed compromise your identity/security etc, so stop complaining.
clonmult
14-10-2010
Originally Posted by IvanIV:
“It is possible to have that info saved into metadata of the files during ripping of the CD. So drag&dropping the files with the explorer is enough.”

Yes, it is possible ..... but you can still drag and drop from Windows Explorer directly to the iPod in iTunes. Its just as easy as it would be to drag and drop to another drive.
scumble
15-10-2010
Originally Posted by pocatello:
“Boohoo, so they require valid details so they don't get people creating rubbish accounts all over the place. Big whoop, every time you use your credit card at a store or restaurant there is the chance of your data being stolen, worrying about apple is ridiculous paranoia...”

Rant much? What do you know of the OP's store or restaurant cc activity? Toolbars? What are you on about? Anyhow, you completely missed his/her points. Apple could use iPod serial numbers via iTunes or other methods to prevent junk accounts, and you somehow missed the technical filemanagement aspects of the OP's complaint.

S/he is perfectly justified imho.

Originally Posted by clonmult:
“Yes, it is possible ..... but you can still drag and drop from Windows Explorer directly to the iPod in iTunes. Its just as easy as it would be to drag and drop to another drive.”

Two probs here:
You can only drag'n'drop via iTunes in one direction! Try getting a piece of music (e.g. accidentally deleted from your computer) off your iPod, and back onto computer.

More importantly, even if you can manage that, you would have iTunes installed on all computers that you are connecting to - anathema to people who are choosy about what they put on their computers. It is unnecessarily big, hogs resources, and doesn't work with Linux. Even on Windows, Anapod is better, (if you don't use the store).
Last edited by scumble : 15-10-2010 at 00:41
pocatello
15-10-2010
Originally Posted by scumble:
“Rant much? What do you know of the OP's store or restaurant cc activity? Toolbars? What are you on about? Anyhow, you completely missed his/her points. Apple could use iPod serial numbers via iTunes or other methods to prevent junk accounts, and you somehow missed the technical filemanagement aspects of the OP's complaint.

S/he is perfectly justified imho.”

Is not, if s/he wanted a plain mp3 player she would have gotten one. This device is based on an app ecosystem, as such it is a managed one to prevent abuse and security breaches. They manage the store front and provide app filtering and delivery, much of it for free, asking for your details is hardly the end of the world. You dont' have to spend a dime in the store if you don't want, but the simple fact is you are getting a service for free. If you think thats too much, then go buy a sony or creative device with no apps, and no hassle about credit cards.
KAC
15-10-2010
Originally Posted by scumble:
“Two probs here:
You can only drag'n'drop via iTunes in one direction! Try getting a piece of music (e.g. accidentally deleted from your computer) off your iPod, and back onto computer.”

That's what backups are for.
JohnBoy Walton
16-10-2010
Originally Posted by BB-mega-addict:
“If you don't want to enter any card details, there's an easy way to get around this, Apple have a guide on their own website as to how to register without a credit card: http://support.apple.com/kb/ht2534

As for being forced to use iTunes, it's no different to the many ways Microsoft try to maintain their dominance. Using iTunes to add things to your iPod is apparently 'safer' as things are less likely to go wrong in the transfer than dragging and dropping. Plus, iTunes automatically checks for software updates for the various Apple products so if you didn't have to use it often, you would be more likely to miss important updates.”

I love how the moron Apple haters have ignored this, it would spoil their fun if they had to acknowledge they might be wrong.
alanwarwic
16-10-2010
Is that why few ever complain in that they get called a hater whenever they don't understand 'tricks'?
Seems like it is lightly designed to gather credit card information and ease sales in.

Otherwise it would be more sensibly the opposite way round with credit card details being a secondary option and/or showing as/when needed.

I've not been asked for mine on Android yet.
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