If you speak up, you're declared loud and obnoxious. If you're more quiet and dignified then you're not speaking up enough.

If you try to override your PM like Melissa did last week regarding gourmet sausages then you're disruptive, but if you don't interfere with the PM's decision (I refer here to the exclusivity issue) then you're also in the wrong.

There's too many mixed messages coming from Sugar.

Oh and random, I know, but I didn't like Jamie's smirk when Stella put him in charge of the pitch instead of Chris. He's like a cross between smug Philip from last year and sneaky Alex from the series prior!

What I didn't get was how come Chris still ended up doing the pitch anyway? I thought that conversation was all about gently letting him down that he wouldn't be. Goodness knows they could probably have done with giving someone else the chance! Didn't that happen last year, one group switching pitchers after a disastrous first one?

Oh and I'll get my customary prurience over and done with now. Shibby for me, Chris trailing second...

Agreed with all.

It annoyed me because Joy did contribute she just got on with stuff rather than bellowing like the awful Joanna

He slags off everyone at least once. I guess he does have to make the show entertaining though.

He's all yours. Shibby irritates the hell out of me!

I don't fancy any of the lads this year. The last Apprentice crush I had was on Lee, and before that it was Syed (when he didn't open his mouth that is!).

I sort of liked Lee but his lips were weirdly bright pink. Although I think they use a weird lighting specifically for the prog for some reason, that has that effect - several of the guys seem to suffer from it each year. Either that or the make-up lady's eyesight is increasingly faltering.

I can't not like Shibby, because he's tall, lanky and geeky - just my bag

Getting back to the point *ahem*, I do think Suzanne needs to rein it in a bit but yes, LAS's laying-into is all part of the 'just for effect' thing - it's become quite a cliche now for the show that there has to be one female who it's obvious all along has promise, but starts off being depicted as 'gobby' and is 'brought down a peg or two' over the course of the following weeks - it's just a 'human drama' trick I suppose. Was Claire last year or the year before?

Grrrr, that was ridiculous that Joy got fired. They quite rightly criticised the girls for screaming at eachother like banshees, then proceeded to fire the one person who didn't behave like that.

We so quickly stray off it

Do you mean Joanna? I'm struggling to see what she's done that's so wrong to be honest. I actually did find her passionate as opposed to aggressive. Apprentice cliche I know, but she's got fire in her belly that one! She made valid points and was forced to shout them out because if she attempted to interject politely, she was talked over.

You're right though. We always have to have the gobby one that goes on a bloomin' journey by learning to reign their temper in!

Oh yes, Joanna, sorry. Quite apt - 'Gimme Hope, Joanna...' (OK, context perhaps not appropriate there )

She was the only one that actually 'did anything' this week, Team Manager woman's attempts at slagging off were transparently unjustified. She was good last week too, apart from not attempting to diffuse her public argument with ultra-gobby blonde glasses woman in front of a (rather cute) prospective mass sausage-buyer.

And I stuck up for ultra gobby blonde woman last week! I thought she made good points about the gourmet sausages and was forced to shout over the group to be heard.

She was crap with her pitching tonight though. Hero to zero within the space of a week.

Yes that was interesting, the two pitches were awful in essentially the same way, just presented in diametrically opposite styles. Blonde glasses woman - "Look at this crap, it's brilliant! We know it's crap but, no, really, it's - it's brilliant! It really is, and I've waited my whole life just to tell you!!". Chris - "er, we, er made this thing, and well, it's er, a thing, that um, some people might find a bit useful. So, er, please buy some from us. Or something."

Note to future Project Managers - give at least 1/3 of task time to sorting out the best pitcher, to at most 1.3°/3 actually brainstorming something remotely viable!

I agree. Karen Brady should have spoken up for her more on that point, considering how she took the girls team to task for their bickering.

Lord Sugar would probably just respond 'Tuff sh*t, I make the rules, and if you don't like it then you can naff off'.