According to Len Goodman. What a great show this is.
Peter Shilton 7 v 7 Matt Baker
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len is getting right on my wick tonight 
Matt was also better than scott who is stupidly overmarked for the second week running
Matt was also better than scott who is stupidly overmarked for the second week running
Exactly. How they managed to score both Matt and Peter a 7 is beyond me!!
Matt deserved a much higher mark than that IMO.
Len and Alesha seem to have taken against Matt for some reason and were really critical of his routine!!!
Matt deserved a much higher mark than that IMO.
Len and Alesha seem to have taken against Matt for some reason and were really critical of his routine!!!
Originally Posted by taxi_driving:
“According to Len Goodman. What a great show this is.”
“According to Len Goodman. What a great show this is.”
IMO Peter of the Craig Kelly syndrome
was well ovemarked tonight, and Matt undermarked.
Though i agree, and said the same myself, i think people see Lens vote wrongly.
He very much looke at everyone elses vote, and usually changes his votes to effect the overal position eg If he thinks Craig has underscored then he will give a higher than deserved mark to compensate and vice versa.
As for Scott being over marked, if anyone was over marked it was Pamela.
He very much looke at everyone elses vote, and usually changes his votes to effect the overal position eg If he thinks Craig has underscored then he will give a higher than deserved mark to compensate and vice versa.
As for Scott being over marked, if anyone was over marked it was Pamela.
Originally Posted by crazy_moo 123:
“len is getting right on my wick tonight Matt was also better than scott who is stupidly overmarked for the second week running”
“len is getting right on my wick tonight
Matt was also better than scott who is stupidly overmarked for the second week running”
Lol at len to be honest.
I voted for Matt tonight by the way with Kara. Len just go back to america and come back in a better mood.
I totally agree. Len has used that 7 paddle too many times tonight. Matt's performance should have scored an 8 if not 9 and Peter's (though much improved from the last 2 weeks) was more like a 6. And I also thought Matt should have scored higher than Scott, it was also a more difficult routine.
Originally Posted by crazy_moo 123:
“len is getting right on my wick tonight Matt was also better than scott who is stupidly overmarked for the second week running”
“len is getting right on my wick tonight
Matt was also better than scott who is stupidly overmarked for the second week running”
I agree Matt was better than Peter, but no way was he better than Scott. Scott's routine was charming, fun and well executed.
Originally Posted by katie_p:
“I agree Matt was better than Peter, but no way was he better than Scott. Scott's routine was charming, fun and well executed.”
“I agree Matt was better than Peter, but no way was he better than Scott. Scott's routine was charming, fun and well executed.”
Matt's choreography was much harder for half the routine scott just messed around for about half the dance
Originally Posted by katie_p:
“I agree Matt was better than Peter, but no way was he better than Scott. Scott's routine was charming, fun and well executed.”
“I agree Matt was better than Peter, but no way was he better than Scott. Scott's routine was charming, fun and well executed.”
You could see Matt was struggling with his quickstep while Scott made it look easy.
Originally Posted by crazy_moo 123:
“Matt's choreography was much harder for half the routine scott just messed around for about half the dance”
“Matt's choreography was much harder for half the routine scott just messed around for about half the dance
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That's only impressive if Matt could do the routine, which he couldn't. The judges also have to mark the characterisation of the routine- in Matt's case, the character was frantic and rushed.
Scott's routine was deceptive because he was actually in control of the dance. That doesn't mean it was easy- it means he was good. It was far, far better than Matt's routine.
Scott definately won the quicksteps tonight.......I agree that Matt's score should have been higher than Peter's but no way he was better than Scott tonight.
I think to be honest that Len was putting Aliona on notice that he doesnt like the messing around.....she has put messy bits in all three dances now and he has now called her out.
I think to be honest that Len was putting Aliona on notice that he doesnt like the messing around.....she has put messy bits in all three dances now and he has now called her out.
Honestly, whilst Matt's routine was difficult and danced technically well (to a point), I personally found it artistically 'incoherent'. It failed to flow for me, and I felt nervous for him whilst watching it..... felt like he could fall over any moment. But I appreciate the difficulty involved in such a dance.
But as with all these things, it's personal taste, and I see what Len was saying (though Len was getting on my nerves tonight). It's not a conspiracy to vote a dancer down, just personal taste.
But as with all these things, it's personal taste, and I see what Len was saying (though Len was getting on my nerves tonight). It's not a conspiracy to vote a dancer down, just personal taste.
Originally Posted by taxi_driving:
“According to Len Goodman. What a great show this is.”
“According to Len Goodman. What a great show this is.”
Just one word - ludicrous.
Originally Posted by katie_p:
“That's only impressive if Matt could do the routine, which he couldn't. The judges also have to mark the characterisation of the routine- in Matt's case, the character was frantic and rushed.
Scott's routine was deceptive because he was actually in control of the dance. That doesn't mean it was easy- it means he was good. It was far, far better than Matt's routine.”
“That's only impressive if Matt could do the routine, which he couldn't. The judges also have to mark the characterisation of the routine- in Matt's case, the character was frantic and rushed.
Scott's routine was deceptive because he was actually in control of the dance. That doesn't mean it was easy- it means he was good. It was far, far better than Matt's routine.”
I disagree. As it would appear, from the audience reaction, did most of the studio audience.
I have a suspicion the judges are aware of Natalie's unpopularity and are attempting to protect this couple. The irony being, such ridiculous overmarking (9's
) will likely alienate viewers.
Originally Posted by taxi_driving:
“I disagree. As it would appear, from the audience reaction, did most of the studio audience.
I have a suspicion the judges are aware of Natalie's unpopularity and are attempting to protect this couple. The irony being, such ridiculous overmarking (9's) will likely alienate viewers.”
“I disagree. As it would appear, from the audience reaction, did most of the studio audience.
I have a suspicion the judges are aware of Natalie's unpopularity and are attempting to protect this couple. The irony being, such ridiculous overmarking (9's
) will likely alienate viewers.”
Gets my back up too.
Originally Posted by WLB:
“Though i agree, and said the same myself, i think people see Lens vote wrongly.
He very much looke at everyone elses vote, and usually changes his votes to effect the overal position eg If he thinks Craig has underscored then he will give a higher than deserved mark to compensate and vice versa.
As for Scott being over marked, if anyone was over marked it was Pamela.”
“Though i agree, and said the same myself, i think people see Lens vote wrongly.
He very much looke at everyone elses vote, and usually changes his votes to effect the overal position eg If he thinks Craig has underscored then he will give a higher than deserved mark to compensate and vice versa.
As for Scott being over marked, if anyone was over marked it was Pamela.”
Scott yes, pamela no in my opinion.
Originally Posted by taxi_driving:
“I disagree. As it would appear, from the audience reaction, did most of the studio audience.
I have a suspicion the judges are aware of Natalie's unpopularity and are attempting to protect this couple. The irony being, such ridiculous overmarking (9's) will likely alienate viewers.”
“I disagree. As it would appear, from the audience reaction, did most of the studio audience.
I have a suspicion the judges are aware of Natalie's unpopularity and are attempting to protect this couple. The irony being, such ridiculous overmarking (9's
) will likely alienate viewers.”
I don't think they do that at this early stage to be honest. Whether or not it was worth 34, it was definitely going to put him in the top four or five. With thirteen other couples competing, he's pretty safe. Especially when you factor in his EE fanbase.
Sometimes there isn't a conspiracy. Sometimes the judges just mark one dance better than another because it was in fact better.
And frankly, the audience gave Ann a standing ovation. That is clearly not a proof of dance expertise.
Originally Posted by katie_p:
“I don't think they do that at this early stage to be honest. Whether or not it was worth 34, it was definitely going to put him in the top four or five. With thirteen other couples competing, he's pretty safe. Especially when you factor in his EE fanbase.
Sometimes there isn't a conspiracy. Sometimes the judges just mark one dance better than another because it was in fact better.
And frankly, the audience gave Ann a standing ovation. That is clearly not a proof of dance expertise.”
“I don't think they do that at this early stage to be honest. Whether or not it was worth 34, it was definitely going to put him in the top four or five. With thirteen other couples competing, he's pretty safe. Especially when you factor in his EE fanbase.
Sometimes there isn't a conspiracy. Sometimes the judges just mark one dance better than another because it was in fact better.
And frankly, the audience gave Ann a standing ovation. That is clearly not a proof of dance expertise.”
I do respect your opinion, but mine is firmly that Matt gave a superior performance than Scott (and certainly better than Peter Shilton).
I don't think it's fair to cite Ann Widdicombe's standing ovation here, as they were clearly given for very different reasons.
I agree with you there probably isn't a conspiracy. It's just, IMO, crap marking.
Originally Posted by taxi_driving:
“According to Len Goodman. What a great show this is.”
“According to Len Goodman. What a great show this is.”
Such a derisive tone makes me wonder why you are watching in the first place.
"I have a suspicion the judges are aware of Natalie's unpopularity and are attempting to protect this couple."
Outside of the message boards, the vast majority of the viewers and voters have no opinion on the pro dancers - it's not them they're tuning in to see. She made the final last year, so I don't think her popularity is in doubt.
To be fair, Matt was vastly superior to Peter; Len generally is more generous to compensate for Craig, but I agree with Jan2555, he marked them down to make a point to Aliona.
Originally Posted by katie_p:
“That's only impressive if Matt could do the routine, which he couldn't. The judges also have to mark the characterisation of the routine- in Matt's case, the character was frantic and rushed.
Scott's routine was deceptive because he was actually in control of the dance. That doesn't mean it was easy- it means he was good. It was far, far better than Matt's routine.”
“That's only impressive if Matt could do the routine, which he couldn't. The judges also have to mark the characterisation of the routine- in Matt's case, the character was frantic and rushed.
Scott's routine was deceptive because he was actually in control of the dance. That doesn't mean it was easy- it means he was good. It was far, far better than Matt's routine.”
Originally Posted by Jan2555*GG*:
“Scott definately won the quicksteps tonight.......I agree that Matt's score should have been higher than Peter's but no way he was better than Scott tonight.
I think to be honest that Len was putting Aliona on notice that he doesnt like the messing around.....she has put messy bits in all three dances now and he has now called her out.”
“Scott definately won the quicksteps tonight.......I agree that Matt's score should have been higher than Peter's but no way he was better than Scott tonight.
I think to be honest that Len was putting Aliona on notice that he doesnt like the messing around.....she has put messy bits in all three dances now and he has now called her out.”
Matt is one of my favourites but have to agree with both of you, Scott certainly was the better of the two tonight,
Originally Posted by Scattyjan:
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Outside of the message boards, the vast majority of the viewers and voters have no opinion on the pro dancers - it's not them they're tuning in to see. She made the final last year, so I don't think her popularity is in doubt.
To be fair, Matt was vastly superior to Peter; Len generally is more generous to compensate for Craig, but I agree with Jan2555, he marked them down to make a point to Aliona.”
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Outside of the message boards, the vast majority of the viewers and voters have no opinion on the pro dancers - it's not them they're tuning in to see. She made the final last year, so I don't think her popularity is in doubt.
To be fair, Matt was vastly superior to Peter; Len generally is more generous to compensate for Craig, but I agree with Jan2555, he marked them down to make a point to Aliona.”
I wonder about this. I think the pro-dancers have become very much "celebrity" themselves, sometimes more recognizable than the contestants.
Originally Posted by Christian Cage:
“You could see Matt was struggling with his quickstep while Scott made it look easy.”
“You could see Matt was struggling with his quickstep while Scott made it look easy.”
That's a good point, actually. I think Matt is great and I want him to be in the final, but I loved the way Scott "threw himself" into this dance. It looked fun and effortless and it was just a pleasure to watch.
Just for info and interest BBCStrictly on twitter said that Matt and Aliona said they went wrong in the middle of their quickstep.
Originally Posted by Jan2555*GG*:
“Just for info and interest BBCStrictly on twitter said that Matt and Aliona said they went wrong in the middle of their quickstep.”
“Just for info and interest BBCStrictly on twitter said that Matt and Aliona said they went wrong in the middle of their quickstep.”
I thought they had, it looked quite obvious to me, and I was surprised that none of the judges commented on it.
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