[monalisa62003]

and its rubbish!! i can't copy anything in high speed. i have to play the programm and copy it that way.

i have a toshiba that can do both ways.

is there any way i can copy high speed on the panasonic one?

[d'@ve]

Well if you reveal what model you have, someone may be able to help you!

[monalisa62003]

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Originally Posted by d'@ve

Well if you reveal what model you have, someone may be able to help you!

oops i forgot about that lol thanks

you mean the model number? dmr-ex83eb

[d'@ve]

From the manual:

Set “Rec for High Speed Copy” to “On” before recording to the HDD. (The default setting is “On” - page 67).

But there are restrictions if you use DVD+R etc. DVD -R etc. is best.

[monalisa62003]

oops i see you said what page it was on. lol thanks will try that out

that page is about copying pictures and i cant find where it says about that

[iknowitall1]

When it comes to maximising quality for high speed copying Panasonic machines are pretty crap.

It is possible but it does not take editing into account so if you have a 3 hour hard drive recording which will be 2.5 hours after editing the Panny recorders won't let you record in the 2.5 hour quality mode for 3 hours.

You'll have to make the most of bad thing or swap it for a Pioneer which performs the feature much better

[monalisa62003]

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Originally Posted by iknowitall1

You'll have to make the most of bad thing or swap it for a Pioneer which performs the feature much better

its bought from amazon

[swills]

I've just bought a TOSHIBA DVR19TKB2 to replace my ageing Pioneer DVD recorder whch only has analogue and will only record either - or + can't remember!

Not plugged the Tosh in yet, hope it's OK, has Freeview/VCR and DVD +/- record

reckon everyone will now say I've bought a load of sh**e

[56up]

Hi

I have a same model Panasonic DVD recorder and have found similar restrictions.

You cannot backup to DVD Ram disks at high speed at all. (This I found suprising as DVD Ram emulates a hard drive in its recording format)
You can only backup in high speed mode to +R disks (DVD+R and DVD+RW) disks if the programme was recorded in 4:3 mode. Anamorphic 16:9 recordings cannot be backed up in high speed mode.
You cannot upload from DVD to hard drive in high speed mode.

Now the good news

You can use high speed mode whatever the recording mode if you use -R disks (DVD-R or DVD-RW).

If I want to use +R disks or copy from DVD to the hard drive, I do it last thing at night and then go to bed. No problem

The panasonic also has a superb upscaler and produces a stunning picture via HDMi on my Panasonic TV

[d'@ve]

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Originally Posted by monalisa62003

oops i see you said what page it was on. lol thanks will try that out

that page is about copying pictures and i cant find where it says about that

OK, there seems to be more than one version of the manual. Look in the index at the end for "High Speed Copy" and it will tell you which page.

You can definitely do that onto a DVD-R with the right settings, but not necessarily with DVD +Rs. You must have the right settings before you record it onto the hard drive.

As always, the manual will reveal all.

[monalisa62003]

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Originally Posted by 56up

Hi

I have a same model Panasonic DVD recorder and have found similar restrictions.

You cannot backup to DVD Ram disks at high speed at all. (This I found suprising as DVD Ram emulates a hard drive in its recording format)
You can only backup in high speed mode to +R disks (DVD+R and DVD+RW) disks if the programme was recorded in 4:3 mode. Anamorphic 16:9 recordings cannot be backed up in high speed mode.
You cannot upload from DVD to hard drive in high speed mode.

Now the good news

You can use high speed mode whatever the recording mode if you use -R disks (DVD-R or DVD-RW).

If I want to use +R disks or copy from DVD to the hard drive, I do it last thing at night and then go to bed. No problem

The panasonic also has a superb upscaler and produces a stunning picture via HDMi on my Panasonic TV

how though?

[iknowitall1]

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Originally Posted by monalisa62003

its bought from amazon

If you've only just got it then tell Amazon its faulty or does not do what you want , however Panasonic are almost alone in supplying quality HDD/DVDR as Pioneer seem to have pulled out of the market and most on Amazon are second hand but I had a Panny a few years ago and it was ok until I spent a few years with a Pioneer.
I got another Panny as an insurance replacement but it's annoying limitations for the flexible recording feature made me sell it and get another Pioneer.

To be honest , unless you're very picky the feature may not bother you.

Enable the high speed copy in the Panny and it will adjust the recording level so the recording fits on a single dvd , but what gets me is that once that recording is edited the copied dvd then has a lot of wasted space and wasted space is wasted quality.

[iknowitall1]

Quote:

Originally Posted by 56up

Hi

I have a same model Panasonic DVD recorder and have found similar restrictions.

You cannot backup to DVD Ram disks at high speed at all. (This I found suprising as DVD Ram emulates a hard drive in its recording format)
You can only backup in high speed mode to +R disks (DVD+R and DVD+RW) disks if the programme was recorded in 4:3 mode. Anamorphic 16:9 recordings cannot be backed up in high speed mode.
You cannot upload from DVD to hard drive in high speed mode.

Now the good news

You can use high speed mode whatever the recording mode if you use -R disks (DVD-R or DVD-RW).

If I want to use +R disks or copy from DVD to the hard drive, I do it last thing at night and then go to bed. No problem

The panasonic also has a superb upscaler and produces a stunning picture via HDMi on my Panasonic TV

Pioneer recorders have a Disc Backup feature that clones discs at high speed like a PC can do .
I don't know of any other make that can do that.

And the Pioneer will back up any recording regardless of format.
Unlike Panny the Pioneer will also record the anamorphic flag to dvd-r at high speed ( but not real time).

Pioneer will also copy from a recoprded dvd back to HDD at high speed if the disc is unfinalised.
If its finalised you use the Disc Backup but the content is not watchable as its stored on the HDD ready to burn back to disc.

Re: your Panny at high speed.
You can't copy at high speed regardless of mode.
If you have a 2 hour hard drive recording in XP you won't be able to copy that at high speed as the content would need to be re-encoded to SP to fit on the disc .
I don't know of any recorders that re-encode in anything except real time

[iknowitall1]

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Originally Posted by monalisa62003

how though?

Basically , the recording needs to be recorded in the right quality to copy to disc at high speed.

For example - a 1 hour programme in XP will copy at high speed.
A 2 hour recording needs to be in SP for the high speed feature to work.

A 2 hour recording in XP is too large for a single disc so copying is in real time to allow the recorder to re-encode the content into SP.

The Flexible Recording mode allows you to enter the length of the recording regardless , so if its 1h45 you can enter that and the recorder will adjust the recording level so that high speed copying works.
But my nitpick is that if you set it to 1h45 it records for that length then stops .
What you need to be able to do is to set the level to 1h30 (assuming thats whats left after the ads and padding are cut out) then leave it to record for 2 hours using One Touch Record (easiest method).
But the Panny can't so once you've copied that recording you have at least 15 minutes of wasted disc space

[monalisa62003]

i have tried to do it by setting the timmer but it still plays the programm while its copying.

on my toshiba all i had to do was click on the menu and there was on option to high speed copy or play the programm while its copying. i only ever have to do the 2nd option if its impossible to high speed which is basically the reason why i bought a new one because it kept breaking

[iknowitall1]

Quote:

Originally Posted by monalisa62003

i have tried to do it by setting the timmer but it still plays the programm while its copying.

on my toshiba all i had to do was click on the menu and there was on option to high speed copy or play the programm while its copying. i only ever have to do the 2nd option if its impossible to high speed which is basically the reason why i bought a new one because it kept breaking

The Panny most definitely can copy to dvd at high speed but the recording level of the HDD recording must match the level to fit on a dvd .

In the setup you need to activate high speed copy but this means that the machine will adjust the level itself and it will usually be too low for best quality.

To be honest , it was all this faffing about that made me sell the Panny recorder I had .

This Pioneer recorder is a whopping 250Gb and does all you need if you are happy with used goods but it seems to be the only way to get the superior Pioneer recorders.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0009PVKIW

[Nigel Goodwin]

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Originally Posted by iknowitall1

This Pioneer recorder is a whopping 250Gb and does all you need if you are happy with used goods but it seems to be the only way to get the superior Pioneer recorders.

Not that 'superior' when they pulled out of making both TV';s and DVD recorders

Mind you, the recorders weren't bad at all.

[56up]

Quote:

Originally Posted by iknowitall1

Re: your Panny at high speed.
You can't copy at high speed regardless of mode.
If you have a 2 hour hard drive recording in XP you won't be able to copy that at high speed as the content would need to be re-encoded to SP to fit on the disc .
I don't know of any recorders that re-encode in anything except real time

Whoops, I forgot that. I tend to use only SP and LP modes so the problem hardly arises.

[d'@ve]

Quote:

Originally Posted by iknowitall1

Basically , the recording needs to be recorded in the right quality to copy to disc at high speed.

For example - a 1 hour programme in XP will copy at high speed.
A 2 hour recording needs to be in SP for the high speed feature to work.

A 2 hour recording in XP is too large for a single disc so copying is in real time to allow the recorder to re-encode the content into SP.

All you need to do is divide the title in half (a moment's work once you've decided where to split it) then copy both halves at high speed to separate DVD-Rs.

As I said earlier, it's all in the manual (but you need to know where to look as Panny manuals and machines are quirky). They are indexed under:

High Speed Copy; and
Divide Title.

[iknowitall1]

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Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin

Not that 'superior' when they pulled out of making both TV';s and DVD recorders

Mind you, the recorders weren't bad at all.

It's a shame they stopped producing recorders .
As I've already explained they are/ were much better than Panasonic recorders.

[iknowitall1]

Quote:

Originally Posted by d'@ve

All you need to do is divide the title in half (a moment's work once you've decided where to split it) then copy both halves at high speed to separate DVD-Rs.

.

Who wants to split a single programme in half and put it on 2 discs just because the recorder logic is substandard ?

Better to copy in real time and let the recorder re-encode.
If you need the WSS flag ( lost on a real time copy or lost at all times on a Panasonic) you can copy to RW then use the PC to add the flag before burning back to R/RW

My current Pioneer records to +RDL and -RDL too so 3.5 hours in SP fits too.

[d'@ve]

Quote:

Originally Posted by iknowitall1

Who wants to split a single programme in half and put it on 2 discs just because the recorder logic is substandard ?

Better to copy in real time and let the recorder re-encode.
If you need the WSS flag ( lost on a real time copy or lost at all times on a Panasonic) you can copy to RW then use the PC to add the flag before burning back to R/RW

My current Pioneer records to +RDL and -RDL too so 3.5 hours in SP fits too.

I think the point of the thread is that he wants to copy at high speed, not in real time. I have explained how he can do it.

If he wants to get more from the HDD onto a single disc and still copy it at high speed to DVD-R without spending 60 seconds dividing it, all he has to do is use a lower compression scheme (such as SP) in the first place.

Re-encoding as you suggest will lower the final video quality and slow you down by a huge amount. Something to be avoided in most people's eyes.

[Nigel Goodwin]

Quote:

Originally Posted by iknowitall1

It's a shame they stopped producing recorders .
As I've already explained they are/ were much better than Panasonic recorders.

I would agree, Panasonic made DVD recorders with substandard power supplies for years.

[iknowitall1]

Quote:

Originally Posted by d'@ve

I think the point of the thread is that he wants to copy at high speed, not in real time. I have explained how he can do it.

If he wants to get more from the HDD onto a single disc and still copy it at high speed to DVD-R without spending 60 seconds dividing it, all he has to do is use a lower compression scheme (such as SP) in the first place.

Re-encoding as you suggest will lower the final video quality and slow you down by a huge amount. Something to be avoided in most people's eyes.

Re-encoding it would change it to what he should have recorded it in the first time - SP , so its no problem and I'm sure he's got enough time to let the recorder run for 2 hours burning the copy.
Splitting a single programme over 2 discs is a desperate move .
I think even Panny machines (recent ones) support dual layer of at least one type

[d'@ve]

Quote:

Originally Posted by iknowitall1

Re-encoding it would change it to what he should have recorded it in the first time - SP , so its no problem and I'm sure he's got enough time to let the recorder run for 2 hours burning the copy.
Splitting a single programme over 2 discs is a desperate move .
I think even Panny machines (recent ones) support dual layer of at least one type

He said (O/P):

"is there any way i can copy high speed on the panasonic one? "

I answered him and explained how to do it in future. That's it.