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Old 20-10-2010, 11:28
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I'm so sad and dissapointed at how crappy they have become.

They were my favourite band for ages as a teen, but what the hell happened there... Muscle Museum was a fantastic song. I can't even listen to the new stuff it's whiney, camp and uninspired garbage.

My question is really, are they just a teenage band, and that's why I don't like them anymore?
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Old 20-10-2010, 12:51
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I'm a fan and am certainly not a teenager.

I've been to several of thier gigs and there always seems to be people from all age ranges attending.
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Old 20-10-2010, 13:00
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Do you still like all their new stuff? I saw them a lot as a kid and it was at festivals mainly, so a mix.
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Old 20-10-2010, 13:07
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I'm a big fan of Muse. But then again I am a teenager. But then again, I do know a few people who are fans but are a lot older.

They change their direction, and by doing that they risk losing some of their fans (like you, evidently). But at the same time, other fans will like the new direction, maybe even more than their previous stuff. They also have the chance of gaining new fans in the process.
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Old 20-10-2010, 14:22
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I'm a big fan of Muse and don't think they're a teenage band.. I think whats happened is that their music has just become a little less inspired and original.. OOS and Absolution are near flawless albums whereas with the resistsnce they kind of lost their spark and almost became a parody of themselves. it also doesn't help when they contribute really shit songs to the twilight soundtrack.. i think with this they've attracted a different and new audience, especially in america so that's why they may seem like a teenage band but at the end of the day if Origin Of Symmetry or Absolution came out tommorow they'd still be as fresh and epic to a 15 year old as much as a 35 year old
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Old 20-10-2010, 15:22
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I actually prefer their last 2 albums to their prevous ones. I initially wrote them off as Radiohead-lite with their first couple of releases, but they've now developed into their own band with their own uinique sound a lot more. And I'm certainly not a teenager.
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Old 20-10-2010, 15:50
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You mean they've gone in a more Indie pop direction.When Indie pop has vertially disappeared from the mainstream hmmmm - it will be interesting what direction they go for the next album.One thing is certain about Muse is they are far more versatile than most 'pop' ???? rock bands.Whether they use this versitility is another thing.
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Old 20-10-2010, 16:53
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I actually prefer their last 2 albums to their prevous ones. I initially wrote them off as Radiohead-lite with their first couple of releases, but they've now developed into their own band with their own uinique sound a lot more. And I'm certainly not a teenager.
I did too. I don't like what Radiohead are doing now either, so they sort of did the same kind of transition (for me anyway) from interesting rock and indie, to bleepy noises and unlistenable selfindulgent and aware dullness.
I also don't think Matthew Bellamy's voice suits the newer styles.

I think Radiohead have more technical skills and I appreciate that, but it's just not fun anymore you know? I went from thinking "this is a fantastic tune!" to "this is a technically impressive tune". I mean I know it's good, but I don't like it... in a way. Is tat just me?
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Old 20-10-2010, 17:01
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I did too. I don't like what Radiohead are doing now either, so they sort of did the same kind of transition (for me anyway) from interesting rock and indie, to bleepy noises and unlistenable selfindulgent and aware dullness.
I also don't think Matthew Bellamy's voice suits the newer styles.

I think Radiohead have more technical skills and I appreciate that, but it's just not fun anymore you know? I went from thinking "this is a fantastic tune!" to "this is a technically impressive tune". I mean I know it's good, but I don't like it... in a way. Is tat just me?
But then for me that is the appeal of both bands. Rather than release Absolution 2, or OK Computer 2, both bands are exploring different avenues and experimenting with sound.
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Old 20-10-2010, 17:52
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I used to also utterly love Muse in my teens, I even had Matt Belamy esque dodgy dyed blue and later red hair, which on reflection was ill judged.

Sadly I can't honestly say i've enjoyed anything they've done beyond Origin and Showbiz, they seem to have turned into a horrible queen esque stadium horror show of a band. Some people like that sort of thing, I don't. I think they are a bit of a teenage band, but for me I don't think thats the reason i've fallen out of love with them, its more the change of sound. I can still listen to origin and showbiz quite happily.

In fairness they are a far bigger band following the change of sound than they were in the early 2000's when I was listening to them , so i'm sure Matt will not loose any sleep over my feelings on their new direction.
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Old 20-10-2010, 17:58
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The Resistance was ok with a few duff tunes like Undisclosed Desires , United States of Eurasia and Guiding Light. The symphony was a bit over the top (and kind of disappointing) as well. Then came Neutron Star Collision, which was awful. Matt Bellamy really needs to stop writing these corny love songs, and the 'bombast' concept has become a bit shallow and stale in recent years. He says he wants to do more intimate stuff since their shows really can't get any bigger, but I hope this doesn't mean more rubbish 'emotional' songs like UD.
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Old 20-10-2010, 18:08
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But then for me that is the appeal of both bands. Rather than release Absolution 2, or OK Computer 2, both bands are exploring different avenues and experimenting with sound.
the thing I find tho is that Radiohead went off and explored with different sounds whereas Muse although releasing something "different" kind of went backwards.
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Old 20-10-2010, 20:06
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I used to also utterly love Muse in my teens, I even had Matt Belamy esque dodgy dyed blue and later red hair, which on reflection was ill judged.

Sadly I can't honestly say i've enjoyed anything they've done beyond Origin and Showbiz, they seem to have turned into a horrible queen esque stadium horror show of a band. Some people like that sort of thing, I don't. I think they are a bit of a teenage band, but for me I don't think thats the reason i've fallen out of love with them, its more the change of sound. I can still listen to origin and showbiz quite happily.

In fairness they are a far bigger band following the change of sound than they were in the early 2000's when I was listening to them , so i'm sure Matt will not loose any sleep over my feelings on their new direction.
I only started listening to them in their Absolution days and I loved that. I adored Origin, Showbiz wasn't bad and Black Holes was good but now... Wow they're god damn awful. I would easily put The Resistance as the worst album that I've heard this year and probably one of the worst albums that I've bought.

Sounds like I'm ranting but if anyone disagrees with that I want an honest answer to how long you've listened to Muse and how you came upon them because I don't know anyone who adored Muse back in the day and still love them today.
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Old 20-10-2010, 20:32
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I only started listening to them in their Absolution days and I loved that. I adored Origin, Showbiz wasn't bad and Black Holes was good but now... Wow they're god damn awful. I would easily put The Resistance as the worst album that I've heard this year and probably one of the worst albums that I've bought.

Sounds like I'm ranting but if anyone disagrees with that I want an honest answer to how long you've listened to Muse and how you came upon them because I don't know anyone who adored Muse back in the day and still love them today.
its kind of like the Kings Of Leon situation.. i find it hard to believe that theres alot of people out there who have been fans since their debut actually enjoyed their last album as much or the awful "Come Around Sundown"
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Old 20-10-2010, 20:42
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its kind of like the Kings Of Leon situation.. i find it hard to believe that theres alot of people out there who have been fans since their debut actually enjoyed their last album as much or the awful "Come Around Sundown"
I don't think you can compare The Resistance to OBTN, because OBTN was actually pretty descent minus the stereotyping 'they've sold out' arguement. And if it didn't get overplayed so much it wouldn't have got as much hate as it got. Plus Come Around Sundown is a step up from it and I found it surprisingly good.

The difference is one sold out and was still good and the other sold out and turned out dire.
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Old 20-10-2010, 20:58
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I only started listening to them in their Absolution days and I loved that. I adored Origin, Showbiz wasn't bad and Black Holes was good but now... Wow they're god damn awful. I would easily put The Resistance as the worst album that I've heard this year and probably one of the worst albums that I've bought.

Sounds like I'm ranting but if anyone disagrees with that I want an honest answer to how long you've listened to Muse and how you came upon them because I don't know anyone who adored Muse back in the day and still love them today.
Listened to them since "Bliss" was released as a single.

First heard them on "Top Of The Pops", playing "Bliss". Bought OoS as soon as I could after that.

Have seen them play live 5 times since (BH+R tour, HAARP at Wembley, Resistance tour twice at arenas + Wembley).

As for their albums I personally really like "The Resistance", and I'd rate it as equal to "OoS" and "BH+R" as my favourite, and I don't like the "Showbiz" album at all apart from the title track.

Hope that helps.
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Old 21-10-2010, 09:08
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I'm so sad and dissapointed at how crappy they have become.

They were my favourite band for ages as a teen, but what the hell happened there... Muscle Museum was a fantastic song. I can't even listen to the new stuff it's whiney, camp and uninspired garbage.

My question is really, are they just a teenage band, and that's why I don't like them anymore?
I don't see how you can call them a teenage band when on their latest album the last 3 tracks is a giant orchestra symphony Forgive me if I'm wrong but teenagers aren't interested in that at all.
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Old 21-10-2010, 14:00
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I did too. I don't like what Radiohead are doing now either, so they sort of did the same kind of transition (for me anyway) from interesting rock and indie, to bleepy noises and unlistenable selfindulgent and aware dullness.
I also don't think Matthew Bellamy's voice suits the newer styles.
I think Muse produce far more interesting music now than they've ever done with the introduction of more electronic sounds. I agree with your point about Bellamy's voice. All that falsetto seemed a bit out of place on earlier albums but suits the big, bombastic nature of the new material.

I think Radiohead have more technical skills and I appreciate that, but it's just not fun anymore you know? I went from thinking "this is a fantastic tune!" to "this is a technically impressive tune". I mean I know it's good, but I don't like it... in a way. Is tat just me?
I think In Rainbows is the most fun album they've ever done (if Radiohead can ever really be described as "fun" that is.). Each album has been technically better than the last, but that's what I'd expect from any band that makes it past 3 or 4 albums. You can really hear the progression with their work in terms of sound as well though - a fairly straightforward indie rock debut, 2nd album expanding that sound followed by a real ruch of originality with their 3rd, a change of style almost with 2 primarily electronic based albums then back to rock but keeping some of the elctronics in there too for Hail to The Thief and again expanding on that for their last album. They really can't put a foot wrong for me personally. Anyway, this thread is about Muse so I'll not go on.
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Old 21-10-2010, 14:03
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But then for me that is the appeal of both bands. Rather than release Absolution 2, or OK Computer 2, both bands are exploring different avenues and experimenting with sound.

Likewise. Both bands have demonstrated their desire to not just repeat themselves and to take risks with their music by being more experimental and that should be applauded. Compare them to a band like Oasis who, despite claims that they were experimenting, essentially churned out the same album several times.
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Old 21-10-2010, 15:07
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Listened to them since "Bliss" was released as a single.

First heard them on "Top Of The Pops", playing "Bliss". Bought OoS as soon as I could after that.

Have seen them play live 5 times since (BH+R tour, HAARP at Wembley, Resistance tour twice at arenas + Wembley).

As for their albums I personally really like "The Resistance", and I'd rate it as equal to "OoS" and "BH+R" as my favourite, and I don't like the "Showbiz" album at all apart from the title track.

Hope that helps.
I'd like to see them at a stadium.
I do like Queen also and I think they must have modled themselves on them a little... Maybe the context in which I am listening to them is wrong, as I still picture them as an indie band.

Another thing which bugs me is the pomposity. Queen didn't take themselves too seriously (just the music), and I think Muse and Radiohead do.
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Old 21-10-2010, 15:54
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I'd like to see them at a stadium.
I do like Queen also and I think they must have modled themselves on them a little... Maybe the context in which I am listening to them is wrong, as I still picture them as an indie band.

Another thing which bugs me is the pomposity. Queen didn't take themselves too seriously (just the music), and I think Muse and Radiohead do.
It's a fine line between pomposity and bombast, but I think Muse fall on the bombast side rather than the pompous one. As for Radiohead, I think a lot of people fail to see the humour in their music. It is serious music and they do take it seriously, but I don't think they're pompous about it.
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Old 21-10-2010, 16:05
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It's a fine line between pomposity and bombast, but I think Muse fall on the bombast side rather than the pompous one. As for Radiohead, I think a lot of people fail to see the humour in their music. It is serious music and they do take it seriously, but I don't think they're pompous about it.
No Radiohead aren't pompus, but they are a bit pretentious. Again, it's not that they take the music too seriously, but themselves.
I don't know how they get such loyal fans because they don't appear to know they are even there
I have noticed humour in the earlier stuff, but the later stuff not so much.

I do think Muse are pompus however. "Affectedly and irritatingly grand, solemn, or self-important" yeah.

The main thing these bands have in common is the stupid lyics. I find them a bit poncy. How they sing some of them with a straight face is beyond me.
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Old 21-10-2010, 16:11
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I actually prefer their last 2 albums to their prevous ones. I initially wrote them off as Radiohead-lite with their first couple of releases, but they've now developed into their own band with their own uinique sound a lot more. And I'm certainly not a teenager.
i dont know how any part of OoS sounds like radiohead personally, showbiz only sounds a bit like pablo honey, which is lucky really, because pablo honey is utter utter sh*t
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Old 21-10-2010, 16:34
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i dont know how any part of OoS sounds like radiohead personally, showbiz only sounds a bit like pablo honey, which is lucky really, because pablo honey is utter utter sh*t
I think it was the falsetto vocals mixed with heavy guitars that lead to the comparison. I've since gone back to the older Muse albums and have a new appreciation of them, but that was the impression I got at the time.

I don't think Pablo Honey is that bad, but it is the least listened to Radiohead album for me.
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Old 21-10-2010, 16:48
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No Radiohead aren't pompus, but they are a bit pretentious. Again, it's not that they take the music too seriously, but themselves.
I don't know how they get such loyal fans because they don't appear to know they are even there
I think they have one of the best band-fan relationships out there. Their website gives fans a lot of access to them and is regularly voted top band website. Seeing them play live I'm happy for them to be consumed by the music and go off into their own little worlds as it shows the passion and dedication they have to it. I don't need people running about with long hair, sliding on their knees or gesturing phallically with their guitars to appreciate the music.

I have noticed humour in the earlier stuff, but the later stuff not so much.
Maybe it's just me and my dark sense of humour then.

I do think Muse are pompus however. "Affectedly and irritatingly grand, solemn, or self-important" yeah.
I think a lot of it's tongue in cheek really. Whenever I've read an interview with them they don't seem to be taking it all that seriously.

The main thing these bands have in common is the stupid lyics. I find them a bit poncy. How they sing some of them with a straight face is beyond me.
Each to their own I guess. I don't find Radohead's lyrics poncy at all, quite the opposite - clever, deep and thought provoking.
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