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Jimi is being unfairly marked
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ShimmySpielberg
24-10-2010
Originally Posted by Tiger Rose:
“I think Jimi has been fairly marked throughout - he is an OK dancer and generally gets put mid table or at his best (foxtrot) he was 5th but he is certainly nowhere near the standard of the top 4 dancers.”

He may not be top 4 standard, but he did do a better dance than many others tonight. He shouldn't have been below Tina, Felicity, Patsy, or the same as Michelle. And really shouldn't have been given a 7 from len who also gave a 7 to Anne! And only one mark higher from Alesha who gave Peter a 6. I think that he was unfairly marked in relation to the other couples, and suffered by going first (again I might add, surely they should switch who goes first each week). So yes, he's not the best and up there with Matt and Scott, but he should by no means have been placed below some others tonight.

Also want to add that I'm a bit miffed that they ignored Tina's poor cartwheel after picking Jimi up on his (yes it was poor and his legs were bent...but Tina's were too ) I do not get the judges this year.
Ceider
24-10-2010
Originally Posted by -Sid-:
“Yes, the judges really laid into Jimi. Others who weren't so good got plenty more positive feedback and encouragement.

They annihilated the guy!”

I went to post a similar comment on the BBC boards, but my Chinese dinner arrived :P

They did indeed butcher his very fun and energetic dance. He didn't score much more than Anne or wooden gav in the end. What on earth were they watching? It was better than cutesy but crap tina, and on another planet to Michelle.

WHat's the craic, eh?
boddism
24-10-2010
Hes not a great dancer and I agree he's prob ranked 5th over all. I'd be v pleased if he got to the quarter finals at least.... although Im not sure if that'll happen!

I do get annoyed at the undermarking and pickiness of the judges when other get away with mistakes scot free!

Will Anne outstay him?? I think she could be a quarter or semi finalist based on the "silly" vote!!
Kaos
24-10-2010
I don't think he's undermarked.

I think over all many of the judges comments are inconsistant this season. Telling one couple that they did this or that wrong and another either ignoring they did the exact same thing or praising them for something very similar.

On personal taste I have to say for me Jimi was in the right place on the leaderboard today. But usually he is just behind the top 4. He has a lot of character and I do love watching him dance. He did suffer from being first out, I think the fact that anything under a 5 mark is seen as being a horrible mark means Len, Alesha and Bruno mark way too highly at times. I have no faith in them at times when they mark, but I think the end results tonight for me at least was fair.
BuddyBontheNet
24-10-2010
Originally Posted by fancynancy:
“He's better than Pamela. Infinitely better than Pamela.

The problem that the show has is that the best four dancers comprise of three males and only one female.

Pamela's being promoted above her station to even the balance, and Jimi's the casualty. Not fair. ”

Sorry, but that's just not true. Pamela is a much better dancer than Jimmi.

Originally Posted by ShimmySpielberg:
“...and suffered by going first (again I might add, surely they should switch who goes first each week)...”

It was very unusual to see them going first again so soon.
millie3
24-10-2010
Unfortunately Pamela has only got to turn up to be praised to the heavens and scored similarly, She is obviously this years golden girl and will go all the way to the final as a result. Komi on the other had is constantly undermarked.
Mystical123
24-10-2010
Originally Posted by BuddyBontheNet:
“But Sid they all work hard in the week. It is the performance that the judges mark though.”

Yes, but the performance was much better than people who ended up above him. In particular it jarred with me that Felicity was higher when her tango was so stiff and jilted.

The problem is perhaps not so much overmarking in general as the fact that he's been drawn to dance first twice already - where's the fairness in that?


Originally Posted by Dilly 1:
“I would put him in 5th place after Matt, Scott, Pamela and Kara in terms of ability and don't really think he'll get much higher than that....but I would definitely rank him higher than Felicity, Tina, Michelle, Peter, Gavin and Patsy, so I'd say he merits a slightly higher than mid table place.

I do think he is severely criticised though for things that are brushed over for some of the others which is pretty unfair to me. ”

Agree with all of that, the difference in the marking of people's cartwheels in particular tonight was evident.

Originally Posted by fancynancy:
“He's better than Pamela. Infinitely better than Pamela.

The problem that the show has is that the best four dancers comprise of three males and only one female.

Pamela's being promoted above her station to even the balance, and Jimi's the casualty. Not fair. ”

That's utter rubbish. I like Jimi, but Pamela is far more technically competent and comfortable on the dancefloor, gives a really musical performance and has thoroughly deserved all the marks she's got, with the possible exception of a couple of judges failing to take a performance mark off last night. If she was really being promoted, she'd be top of the leaderboard again, but she's not. The top 4 dancers are Matt, Scott, Pamela and Kara. Jimi ranks 5th, and there is a gap between the top 4 and everyone else. I thought this had a chance of being Flavia's year, but it doesn't look like it at the minute.
Tasi
24-10-2010
Agree. Certainly undermarked. The marks were all over the place last night. Made a mockery of the whole thing
BuddyBontheNet
24-10-2010
Originally Posted by Mystical123:
“Yes, but the performance was much better than people who ended up above him. In particular it jarred with me that Felicity was higher when her tango was so stiff and jilted.

The problem is perhaps not so much overmarking in general as the fact that he's been drawn to dance first twice already - where's the fairness in that?...”

Mystic I have already agreed Jimi suffered from dancing first again and I do agree he was better than Felicity. But he wasn't better than Tina and Jared, and was probably on a par with Patsy and Robin. Jimi isn't getting better each week and if he finishes 5th or 6th, that seems about right to me.
Styker
24-10-2010
He hasn't been putting enough oommpphhh into his moves at all, thats why Craig said it was like watching The Scarecrow dance in The Wizard Of Oz, and even though he was a bit harsh, he was generally correct.

This is Jimi's biggest problem, have any of the judges actually pointed that out fully? I don't think they have, Craig has also told him two weeks running now to keep his feet pointed when kicking and he has ignored that as well. Jimi and Flavia should have worked the lack of oommpph out for themselves in Jimmi's moves.

If Jimmi was a boxer, it would be like punching someone at 30% of your real punching power.

I hope he improves because I do like Flavia a lot!
millie3
24-10-2010
Originally Posted by BuddyBontheNet:
“Mystic I have already agreed Jimi suffered from dancing first again and I do agree he was better than Felicity. But he wasn't better than Tina and Jared, and was probably on a par with Patsy and Robin. Jimi isn't getting better each week and if he finishes 5th or 6th, that seems about right to me.”

Well he was certainly better than Pamela last night whose Tango I felt was way below her previous dances.
katie_p
24-10-2010
Originally Posted by millie3:
“Well he was certainly better than Pamela last night whose Tango I felt was way below her previous dances.”

Strongly disagree there!

I think he was under-marked in that he should have been at the high end of mid-table rather than the low end... but let's not get carried away!
Mystical123
24-10-2010
Originally Posted by millie3:
“Well he was certainly better than Pamela last night whose Tango I felt was way below her previous dances.”

No way was he better than Pamela. Her tango may not have matched her rumba, but she is still a class above Jimi. At risk of repeating myself, there are 4 people at the top, then a gap to the middle of the pack, which I would say is headed by Jimi. He's probably the 5th best at the minute overall.
LaurieMarlow
24-10-2010
I agree about the four people at the top with Jimi leading the second tier contestestants. However, on last night's effort, looks like Tina could really challenge him for that 5th best position. I really enjoyed her Charleston.

Jimi may not have deserved to be quite so low on the leaderboard - but the judges are playing a tactical game. They know he's likely to have a solid fan base that will keep him safe. They seemed to be propping up Michelle, Felicity and Patsy a bit last night - presumably because they don't want to lose them at this early stage.

I'd be incredibly surprised if Jimi ended up in the bottom two - that low position will panic his fans and they'll keep him out of trouble.
Kmc1978
24-10-2010
Originally Posted by tawny:
“think they did suffer being first out - routine had too much in it. Liked Tina's better but thought they were both better than Kara's - very ordinary.”

Agree with this

Love Jimi but his dancing did seem a bit clumsy (and not in a good charleston way) and overall I preferred Tinas routine. Although Karas was technically good it lacked performance and I couldn't enjoy it cos of that
ShimmySpielberg
24-10-2010
Originally Posted by Styker:
“He hasn't been putting enough oommpphhh into his moves at all, thats why Craig said it was like watching The Scarecrow dance in The Wizard Of Oz, and even though he was a bit harsh, he was generally correct.

This is Jimi's biggest problem, have any of the judges actually pointed that out fully? I don't think they have, Craig has also told him two weeks running now to keep his feet pointed when kicking and he has ignored that as well. Jimi and Flavia should have worked the lack of oommpph out for themselves in Jimmi's moves.

If Jimmi was a boxer, it would be like punching someone at 30% of your real punching power.

I hope he improves because I do like Flavia a lot!”

Seriously? Out of nearly all the charlestons last night, Jimi's had by far the most energy and 'oomph' He really got into the performance of it, but it was his technique that let him down (his cartwheel and feet if I recall correctly)...(not his timing...don't know what bruno was on last night). He even outperformed some of the Tangoers. I didn't feel that anyone really performed their dance last night with the exception of Jimi, Matt and ...I think that might be it
Kmc1978
24-10-2010
Originally Posted by Kmc1978:
“Agree with this

Love Jimi but his dancing did seem a bit clumsy (and not in a good charleston way) and overall I preferred Tinas routine. Although Karas was technically good it lacked performance and I couldn't enjoy it cos of that”

should add that non of the tangos wowed me performance wise either which is a shame as it's one of my faves
RichmondBlue
24-10-2010
Originally Posted by itsnotcricket:
“I've come on the board for the first time this series specifically because I thought that Jimi's marks and comments were unfair compared with the praise lavished on some of the others whose Charlestons were no better.”

I totally agree. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but that's several times now that he has been under-marked..and the programme has only been running for 4 weeks !..has he done something to upset the producers ?
This week was so blatently unfair that I'm not surprised there are a number of posts complaining. The fact that he was on first is no excuse..are the judges memories so short they can't remember a performance from 20/30 minutes previously ? Their comments and scores should have reflected all the performances based on the first, otherwise it makes no sense at all for the viewers.
In addition, Len's se-ven for Ann must rank as the biggest joke in SCD history. That's just taking a "sympathy score" a step too far.
CharlyGirlyxxxx
24-10-2010
After having calmed down from last night's show I still feel he was undermarked once again.
I would say Jimi is about 5th on ability but last night he was one if the best out of a group of dances that were underwhelming for me.
I feel there was no excuse for Len giving Ann a 7 as she was so much worse than Jimi. Also there was no way Jimi was worse than Tina or the same as Michelle.
BuddyBontheNet
24-10-2010
Originally Posted by millie3:
“Well he was certainly better than Pamela last night whose Tango I felt was way below her previous dances.”

No way!
claire2281
24-10-2010
Jimi has consistently looked rather uncontrolled to me. He needs to dial it back a notch because it makes him look ungainly.
SaraV1308
24-10-2010
Although I do think he was undermarked... it was only by a mark or two. Its the judges' overmarking of others and their ignoring of the self same mistakes that irritates me.

Im not saying their routine was perfect (and yes they did slightly out of time with the cane section - actually I do wonder at the inclusion of that section, the routine was good enough without it) but if the judges are going to criticise someone for non pointed of feet and bad cartwheels then they need to be consistent and criticise the others. Tina's feet (plus Jared's incidently) weren't pointed and I really dont think Matt Baker's feet were much better but the judges totally ignored the last 2 couples.

Their routine was fun and quirky and although I enjoyed it, I do think Kara's routine with Artem was a little lacking. I loved the Chicago music for Patsy and Robin but theirs was no near as good as Jimi and Flavia's yet it scored more.

Yes Jimi does need to work on his core strength (and dancing with Flavia you'd think she would have been working on it) but so does Pamela, Felicity, Patsy, Michelle and Tina.

Bring on the results show.
darkmoth
24-10-2010
I think the judges have decided who is top - mid and bottom of table before they dance. And mark accordingly
tabithakitten
24-10-2010
I think Jimi's scores are a little on the low side but I'm not sure that'll do him any harm in the long run. There are many people coming to his defence who think he's being unfairly treated. He's likeable and entertaining, he has a popular partner and his apparent undermarking will only increase what I imagine to be a pretty strong vote.
ShimmySpielberg
24-10-2010
Originally Posted by SaraV1308:
“Although I do think he was undermarked... it was only by a mark or two. Its the judges' overmarking of others and their ignoring of the self same mistakes that irritates me.

Im not saying their routine was perfect (and yes they did slightly out of time with the cane section - actually I do wonder at the inclusion of that section, the routine was good enough without it) but if the judges are going to criticise someone for non pointed of feet and bad cartwheels then they need to be consistent and criticise the others. Tina's feet (plus Jared's incidently) weren't pointed and I really dont think Matt Baker's feet were much better but the judges totally ignored the last 2 couples.

Their routine was fun and quirky and although I enjoyed it, I do think Kara's routine with Artem was a little lacking. I loved the Chicago music for Patsy and Robin but theirs was no near as good as Jimi and Flavia's yet it scored more.

Yes Jimi does need to work on his core strength (and dancing with Flavia you'd think she would have been working on it) but so does Pamela, Felicity, Patsy, Michelle and Tina.

Bring on the results show.”

I was about to say I completely agree with you, but then I got to the cane comment...and having rewatched his charleston many many times...I really cannot see him being out of time with the cane He was slightly off time in the knee section with the knee/arm crossy bit, but not the cane.

Completely agree, however, with your comments on the others lacking something, and Tina not being criticised for a very ungainly cartwheel.
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