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Ann's Ripostes
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Ms_Conscrewed
16-11-2010
Originally Posted by TerryM22:
“Its clear to everyone watching that the judges have given Ann no encouragement or constructive comments whatsoever, dancing is for everyone whatever their physical ability.”

There you go again saying everyone. The judges have said that she is entertaining,surely that constitues praise? If she wold just listen to their constructive criticism instead of jumping to her idea of repartee she might learn something.
DavidJames
16-11-2010
Originally Posted by TerryM22:
“dancing is for everyone whatever their physical ability.”

Do you dance, Terry?
Ms_Conscrewed
16-11-2010
Originally Posted by DavidJames:
“Do you dance, Terry?”

trevvytrev21
16-11-2010
Originally Posted by TerryM22;45654483[B:
“]The majority of viewers don't like Craigs acid tongue[/b], the show would be much better off without him, viewers like Ann sparring with him, she is to hot for him to handle.”

You're projecting here, as I've said in another thread Craig almost always tops the best judge polls.

To be honest, I preferred Arlene's scoring over anyone's.
Dorabella14
16-11-2010
poor old Terry M22, you just can't win, there are too many voices outshouting yours.
You very nobly support Ann wherever you can, but it's like a leaking sieve - you can't block all the holes at once. Whenever you've tried to save her on one thread, six more threads spring up (bit like the brooms in the Sorcerer's Apprentice).

Brave of you anyway to try.
TerryM22
16-11-2010
Originally Posted by trevvytrev21:
“You're projecting here, as I've said in another thread Craig almost always tops the best judge polls.

To be honest, I preferred Arlene's scoring over anyone's.”

Best not mention the Arlene word, she was much worse than Craig, we just need him to join her in the off show wilderness.
trevvytrev21
16-11-2010
Originally Posted by TerryM22:
“Best not mention the Arlene word, she was much worse than Craig, we just need him to join her in the off show wilderness.”

In your opinion, yes.

In mine; she didn't score quite as harshly as Craig does, but would use her 3 and 4 paddles if required. She'd dish out 10s to fabulous dances. Didn't like her alliteration or raw sex-type comments, but she was the fairest and most consistent judge.
katmobile
16-11-2010
Originally Posted by celfyddydau:
“I agree that her "jokes" are prepared, I do think she's a slightly better dancer than JS.”

She's isn't his waltz was better than anything she's ever done - IMO of course.
phoebefair
16-11-2010
Originally Posted by k9fan:
“I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the show was scripted.”

Well I'm pretty sure Bruno's "spontaneous" remark about AW looking like a bottle of Pepto-Bismol was scripted. It didn't sound natural from him and I'm sure it wouldn't have sounded natural from anyone else either.
DavidJames
16-11-2010
Originally Posted by Ms_Conscrewed:
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katmobile
16-11-2010
Originally Posted by CaroUK:
“That might indeed be the reasoning Servalan (and thank you for your reply) - but booked to be the panto villain or not - it doesn't take away the fact that on the whole - viewers don't really like seeing people being humiliated in public by a supposed expert pouring scorn on their efforts in front of 7 million viewers. We are as entitled to our view of the situation as you are to yours.

Good, bad or indifferent, the celebs have spent a fair few hours in rehearsal halls honing their performances for the main show, and they deserve a modicum of respect for that. Craig shows up for a couple of hours on a Saturday evening and gets paid (on previous years quoted figures) three times as much as the pro dances and twice as much as the celebs for a lot less effort.

If Craig's pithy "critique" is expected by the participants and its only supposed to be a bit of panto villainy - why does it devastate some of them so much when they hear it? And indeed affect some so much that they need to have their confidence rebuilt by the pros before they can even start preparing for the next show.

I find it a bit two faced that Craig is so different away from the main show. I don't mind the fact that he stands by his scores (although he is being harder on Ann than he was on previous duffers as he famously gave Kate Garraway a minimum of 2 points ("one for each foot" as he put it), I actually think that the other 3 judges do tend to overmark particularly in the early stages - and don't seem to have heard of relative marking either, but I for one don't like seeing a celeb having to stand there and take some of the abuse Craig and Bruno hurl at them thinking they are being clever or amusing.

As far as I am concerned there is nothing clever or amusing about hurting other people's feelings.

I'm not actually a fan of Ann's dancing - I think she's terrible and should have gone in week one or two, but whether the dance purists like it or not she has got the public support and for that reason alone deserves to stay as long as she still has that. I admire her for having the guts to

a. do the show in the first place given her size and shape

b. keep a smile on her face as she competes in the light of the hate and bile being hurled at her by judges, media and some members of the public (and yes - I for one am laughing WITH her not AT her), and

c. not giving a stuff about what Craig has to say on the show. I'm sure that if he passed on his criticism and advice in the way he does on ITT she would be more than happy to listen to him - if he doesn't treat her with respect - why should she give him any?!”

The problem is that the judges have to be in theory anyway both informative and quotable about someone's performance. I don't actually see how many of Craig's critisms are actually that bad - Mark Foster doesn't seem to have been broken by hearing he danced like a stick insect on acid. You have to say sometimes that some is bad and if animal imagery does the job then so be it. Let's get real here - actors have to deal with sometimes quite blunt rejection on a regular basis and sportsman get plenty of tough love to help them improve - most people are not going to be destroyed by being critised on live tv.

To judge by the quote 'if you can't say anything nice then don't say anything at all' or to sugar coat so not offend would mean the judges aren't really judging and it makes their comments andoyne. I find Len's I must be nice at all costs except when I'm in a bad mood or someone really annoys me a lot worse than Craig. Brendan's fans would take issue with Len's Mr Nice Guy image he likes to project.
Diamondlife
16-11-2010
Originally Posted by TerryM22:
“Best not mention the Arlene word, she was much worse than Craig, we just need him to join her in the off show wilderness.”

"Off show wilderness"...HA! Not only has she gone back to her day job of being a respected West End (she choreographed the stage version of Flashdance that opened recently) choreographer...her old mate Nigel Lythgoe phoned her up and asked her to be a judge in his So You Think You Can Dance show, which should air once SCD is finished. Dance is for everyone....and you can make a living out of it if you're good enough
Servalan
16-11-2010
Originally Posted by TerryM22:
“Its clear to everyone watching that the judges have given Ann no encouragement or constructive comments whatsoever, dancing is for everyone whatever their physical ability.”

Do you even watch the show? Or if you do, do you watch it wearing earplugs?

Craig very clearly gave Ann advice about her posture and balance on Saturday. Ann, as ever, rudely dismissed what he had to say.

And you also missed Ann explicitly saying the Latin dances are not for her. So not all dancing is for Ann - is it?
TerryM22
22-11-2010
Originally Posted by Servalan:
“Do you even watch the show? Or if you do, do you watch it wearing earplugs?

Craig very clearly gave Ann advice about her posture and balance on Saturday. Ann, as ever, rudely dismissed what he had to say.

And you also missed Ann explicitly saying the Latin dances are not for her. So not all dancing is for Ann - is it?”

Craig personally insulted Ann on Friday on ITT the day before Blackpool, I wish I was wearing earplugs when that happened.
soulmate61
22-11-2010
Quote:
“Originally Posted by CaroUK
I admire her for having the guts to

a. do the show in the first place given her size and shape

b. keep a smile on her face as she competes in the light of the hate and bile being hurled at her by judges, media and some members of the public (and yes - I for one am laughing WITH her not AT her), and

c. not giving a stuff about what Craig has to say on the show. I'm sure that if he passed on his criticism and advice in the way he does on ITT she would be more than happy to listen to him - if he doesn't treat her with respect - why should she give him any?!”

There is courage and there is discretion. It is very dangerous encouragement from a matriarch if inexperienced young persons are reading. A young person diving into a situation for which she is not equipped will not survive through bluff, smiles, thick skin ignoring all feedback -- certainly not in Afghanistan and Iraq.

There is a time and place, an age and a body, prerequisites for every performance. The paying audience like to see what they like to see, and the seller cannot force the buyer to like what they do not. Hard to see the benefit in turning a weekend feelgood show into civil war pitting minority against majority. As the rounds progressed the joke wore thin, and only then did the bile escalate. What else should she do next, commendable on grounds of defying unqualification and courage against the odds? Enter a 100 metres race then walk it? Enter a Miss England contest then wear a burka?

A good joke does not always improve for repetition. John Sergeant decided discretion was the better part of persistence, thus saving two irreconcilable factions from hot war. There is courage too in making peace. The alternative to peace could be worse.
bobajot
22-11-2010
Originally Posted by TerryM22:
“Craig personally insulted Ann on Friday on ITT the day before Blackpool, I wish I was wearing earplugs when that happened.”

Yes there is a lot of that on here and with the judges. I'm thinking of putting in a hundred protest votes for her.
bobajot
22-11-2010
Originally Posted by soulmate61:
“There is courage and there is discretion. It is very dangerous encouragement from a matriarch if inexperienced young persons are reading. A young person diving into a situation for which she is not equipped will not survive through bluff, smiles, thick skin ignoring all feedback -- certainly not in Afghanistan and Iraq.

There is a time and place, an age and a body, prerequisites for every performance. The paying audience like to see what they like to see, and the seller cannot force the buyer to like what they do not. Hard to see the benefit in turning a weekend feelgood show into civil war pitting minority against majority. As the rounds progressed the joke wore thin, and only then did the bile escalate. A good joke does not always improve for repetition. John Sergeant decided discretion was the better part of persistence, thus saving two irreconcilable factions from hot war. There is courage too in making peace.

What else should she do next, commendable on grounds of defying unqualification and courage against the odds? Enter a 100 metres race then walk it? Enter a Miss England contest then wear a burka?

A good joke does not always improve for repetition. John Sergeant decided discretion was the better part of persistence, thus saving two irreconcilable factions from hot war. There is courage too in making peace. The alternative to peace could be worse.”

How much battle experience have you exactly?
TerryM22
22-11-2010
Originally Posted by bobajot:
“Yes there is a lot of that on here and with the judges. I'm thinking of putting in a hundred protest votes for her.”

I think the voting viewers might just be following you in their droves.
CaroUK
23-11-2010
Originally Posted by soulmate61:
“There is courage and there is discretion. It is very dangerous encouragement from a matriarch if inexperienced young persons are reading. A young person diving into a situation for which she is not equipped will not survive through bluff, smiles, thick skin ignoring all feedback -- certainly not in Afghanistan and Iraq.

There is a time and place, an age and a body, prerequisites for every performance. The paying audience like to see what they like to see, and the seller cannot force the buyer to like what they do not. Hard to see the benefit in turning a weekend feelgood show into civil war pitting minority against majority. As the rounds progressed the joke wore thin, and only then did the bile escalate. What else should she do next, commendable on grounds of defying unqualification and courage against the odds? Enter a 100 metres race then walk it? Enter a Miss England contest then wear a burka?

A good joke does not always improve for repetition. John Sergeant decided discretion was the better part of persistence, thus saving two irreconcilable factions from hot war. There is courage too in making peace. The alternative to peace could be worse.”

???

Have you been on the lemonades soulmate???
Servalan
23-11-2010
Originally Posted by TerryM22:
“Craig personally insulted Ann on Friday on ITT the day before Blackpool, I wish I was wearing earplugs when that happened.”

But that isn't what I asked about - as well you know.

You are repeatedly asked by many posters to answer specific questions, but hardly ever do. Editing out the bits that conflict with the point you are trying to promote doesn't really strengthen your argument. Indeed, it makes it look even more flimsy ...
rita1
23-11-2010
Originally Posted by Cheryl423:
“maybe she really does find it hard to stand in front of Craig and the others, knowing what's coming ? I'm not defending her... just thinking that it must be hard to take some of their words whoever you are... no-one is perfect or immune to criticism, even if they give that impression.”

Nice to see someone on here recognizing that Ann just might have feelings.
Philly1234
23-11-2010
Originally Posted by TerryM22:
“Craig personally insulted Ann on Friday on ITT the day before Blackpool, I wish I was wearing earplugs when that happened.”

You can repeat this as many times as you like, but that isn't what happened, at all. Maybe you forgot to take out your earplugs.
SheShe
23-11-2010
Originally Posted by TerryM22:
“Its clear to everyone watching that the judges have given Ann no encouragement or constructive comments whatsoever, dancing is for everyone whatever their physical ability.”

Craig has tried. Ann wouldn't listen.
Servalan
23-11-2010
Originally Posted by rita1:
“Nice to see someone on here recognizing that Ann just might have feelings.”

But when she is so resolved to not show them at all, why should we bother wondering what she might or might not be feeling? Particularly when her most evident character traits are arrogance, rudeness and self-obsession?
Dorabella14
23-11-2010
Originally Posted by TerryM22:
“All the judges have been making snide remarks about Ann and laughing at her right from the first show, you can see it in Lens eyes that he is stalking Ann, biding his time and waiting for the right moment to deliver the fatal blow to get her off the show.”

I'll be there, guiding his hand.

Oh, er, some Ann voters wil be receiving their monthly phone bills and may be regretting being so generous with their redials.


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