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Old 23-11-2010, 00:34
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Take Me Out returns for a new series after TXF on December 11. At least they're using it to boost something in the long term.
I suppose that's as good as anything. Whether or not an entertainment show can generate enough buzz from a one-off to carry it into the next series, I'm not sure.

Elton John is OK for Sunday. I think George Michael had far more potential for making headlines.

What's more interesting is that Take Me Out has relatively easy opposition. If ITV have any brains, they go straight from X Factor to Take Me Out without any advert breaks in between.
I'd guess it will come down to how the ad rules and whether or not they can squeeze one extra break into the show itself rather than after. I doubt they'll give up 4 minutes of advertising immediately after the XF final.
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As for XF Australia, that's a good finish for it but it has certainly underperformed. If it comes back, they'll probably fire a few people!
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Old 23-11-2010, 00:35
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Or telling UEFA that if they don't move the kick-offs to 8.15 Peter Fincham is coming round there with a baseball bat.
A private member's bill is being introduced in the House of Commons to move UK time in line with Central European time.

I know it seems unlikely but apprarently there is a real prospect of this getting substantial support.

If this happens CL games will have to kick-off at 8.45pm!

I suspect many people would not like this (ie fans, police etc) but there wouldn't be an alternative.

ITV would be delighted!
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Old 23-11-2010, 00:38
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In that case I stand corrected. Funny how BBC1 wants to provide an alternative to The X Factor earlier in the series and just gives up for the final. Odd. But then maybe ITV will roll over for the Strictly final?
They have every other year.
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Old 23-11-2010, 00:45
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A private member's bill is being introduced in the House of Commons to move UK time in line with Central European time.

I know it seems unlikely but apprarently there is a real prospect of this getting substantial support.

If this happens CL games will have to kick-off at 8.45pm!

I suspect many people would not like this (ie fans, police etc) but there wouldn't be an alternative.

ITV would be delighted!
Corrie back on Wednesdays at 7.30pm where it belongs - FOREVER!!
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Old 23-11-2010, 00:46
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So EE's is allowed to have an hour episode ( abeit 2 x half hour ones) yet Corrie & Emmerdal are not. Nothing like double standards!
They are pefectly entitled to two hours of soap on Christmas Day but shouldn't expect to have the right to schedule it however they like and expect the BBC to work around it.
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Old 23-11-2010, 00:49
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A private member's bill is being introduced in the House of Commons to move UK time in line with Central European time.

I know it seems unlikely but apprarently there is a real prospect of this getting substantial support.

If this happens CL games will have to kick-off at 8.45pm!

I suspect many people would not like this (ie fans, police etc) but there wouldn't be an alternative.

ITV would be delighted!
I hope that bill does not get passed. There is no need to mess with our current timezone arrangement. But that's a separate issue.

Wouldn't 8:45pm kick-offs be a little on the late side for ITV1? NaT would be pushed out of its usual slot on a fairly regular basis.
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Old 23-11-2010, 01:03
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They are pefectly entitled to two hours of soap on Christmas Day but shouldn't expect to have the right to schedule it however they like and expect the BBC to work around it.
Fair enough, but people just seem to be making a moutain out a molehill. We don't even know ITV's or BBC's full schedule yet. ITV aren't purposley scheduling there soaps opposite EE. Just like BBC aren't scheduling EE purposley against EE/Corrie - it's just the way it works out - there's only so many hour in the day. 3/4 hours of primetime with 3 hours of soaps to fit in.
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Old 23-11-2010, 06:18
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Look, I'm not sure, but I wouldn't put it passed ITV to move the soaps later in the evening every night in order to boost 9pm programming - it would be a disaster, but I think they'll do it in order to launch Bleakley and Chiles in an evening show opposite The One Show.

This could be a typical week, for example:-

Monday
7:00pm Bleakley & Chiles
8:00pm Emmerdale
8:30pm Coronation Street
9:00pm Drama

Tuesday
7:00pm Bleakley & Chiles
8:00pm Emmerdale
8:30pm Coronation Street
9:00pm Factual

Wednesday
7:00pm Bleakley & Chiles
7:30pm Champions League Live

Thursday
7:00pm Bleakley & Chiles
8:00pm Emmerdale
8:30pm Coronation Street
9:00pm Drama

Friday
7:00pm Bleakley & Chiles
8:00pm Emmerdale
8:30pm Coronation Street
9:00pm Entertainment

Having said that, I've just realised that would only mean FOUR episodes each.

Given all the potential clashes, I feel it's impossible to find the perfect schedule for Corrie and Emmerdale until the Champions League is away from Wednesdays, in which case I'd go for:-

Emmerdale: Mon-Fri (x6)
Coronation Street: Mon, Wed, Fri (x4)

Dropping an episode of Coronation Street is probably very wise. It's only a Street, and hasn't the scope to have so many storylines running at the same time, unlike Emmerdale which feels so much larger. Having the double episode on the Monday as well gives the week a good push, as Wednesday and Friday 7.30pm episodes rate very well in the winter.

Perhaps Sunday's should be left clear of soaps for now, but I've always seen Coronation Street as suiting a Sunday - establishing quality lead-ins for reality shows and feature-length drama.

Soaps have quite a broad audience, hence why they work better earlier in the evening. 7.30pm is the perfect time for a soap. For example, EastEnders always seems to top 40% share on Tue/Thu.
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Old 23-11-2010, 07:46
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Look, I'm not sure, but I wouldn't put it passed ITV to move the soaps later in the evening every night in order to boost 9pm programming - it would be a disaster, but I think they'll do it in order to launch Bleakley and Chiles in an evening show opposite The One Show.

This could be a typical week, for example:-

Monday
7:00pm Bleakley & Chiles
8:00pm Emmerdale
8:30pm Coronation Street
9:00pm Drama

Tuesday
7:00pm Bleakley & Chiles
8:00pm Emmerdale
8:30pm Coronation Street
9:00pm Factual

Wednesday
7:00pm Bleakley & Chiles
7:30pm Champions League Live

Thursday
7:00pm Bleakley & Chiles
8:00pm Emmerdale
8:30pm Coronation Street
9:00pm Drama

Friday
7:00pm Bleakley & Chiles
8:00pm Emmerdale
8:30pm Coronation Street
9:00pm Entertainment

Having said that, I've just realised that would only mean FOUR episodes each.

Given all the potential clashes, I feel it's impossible to find the perfect schedule for Corrie and Emmerdale until the Champions League is away from Wednesdays, in which case I'd go for:-

Emmerdale: Mon-Fri (x6)
Coronation Street: Mon, Wed, Fri (x4)

Dropping an episode of Coronation Street is probably very wise. It's only a Street, and hasn't the scope to have so many storylines running at the same time, unlike Emmerdale which feels so much larger. Having the double episode on the Monday as well gives the week a good push, as Wednesday and Friday 7.30pm episodes rate very well in the winter.

Perhaps Sunday's should be left clear of soaps for now, but I've always seen Coronation Street as suiting a Sunday - establishing quality lead-ins for reality shows and feature-length drama.

Soaps have quite a broad audience, hence why they work better earlier in the evening. 7.30pm is the perfect time for a soap. For example, EastEnders always seems to top 40% share on Tue/Thu.
Don't forget Chiles would be away quite a bit in the winter doing football so who are you going to pair with Bleakley then ?
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Old 23-11-2010, 08:40
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Look, I'm not sure, but I wouldn't put it passed ITV to move the soaps later in the evening every night in order to boost 9pm programming - it would be a disaster, but I think they'll do it in order to launch Bleakley and Chiles in an evening show opposite The One Show.
that is an horrofic vision of things to come.
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Old 23-11-2010, 09:53
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Three of yesterday's ratings reported so far from Attentional:

BBC1:
Panorama: British Schools, Islamic Rules: 2.7m (10.3%)
Don’t Hit My Mum: 1.7m (12.6%)

BBC2:
Giles and Sue Live the Good Life: 1.8m (6.6%)
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Old 23-11-2010, 10:06
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here's my stuff

BBC1 (inc HD)
TOS - 5.15m
EE - 9.84m
Accused - 3.39m

ITV1
Emmers 7.84m
Corrie - 9.45m
Corrie - 9.22m
IAC - 8.98m

C4 (inc HD)
DonD - 2.09m
HO - 1.3m
Coppers - 1.81m
CMQZ - 1.02m

Five (inc HD)
Neighbours - 1.52m
HAA - 971k
TGS - 1.07m

E4
Scrubs - 205k
Scrubs - 261k
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Old 23-11-2010, 10:08
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Monday 22nd November Overnights
BBC One (inc HD)
06:00- Breakfast: 1.6m (35.5%)
18:00- BBC News at Six: 5.3m (26.0%)
18:30- Regional News and Weather: 6.4m (28.8%)
19:00- The One Show: 5.2m (22.5%)
19:30- Inside Out: 4.1m (16.7%)
20:00- EastEnders: 9.8m (37.9%)
20:30- British Schools, Islamic Rules: Panorama: 2.7m (10.3%)
21:00- Accused: 3.4m (12.8%)
* down 28% vs. last week's opener
22:00- BBC News at Ten: 4.2m (19.6%)
22:35- Alesha Dixon: Don't Hit My Mum: 1.7m (12.9%)

BBC Two
19:00- Michael Wood's Story of England: 1.1m (4.7%)
20:00- University Challenge: 3.3m (12.7%)
20:30- Miranda: 3.1m (12.0%) inc. HD
* highest ever rating
21:00- Giles and Sue Live the Good Life: 1.8m (6.9%) inc. HD
22:00- The Trip: 1.2m (5.9%) inc. HD
22:30- Newsnight: 0.8m (5.4%)
23:20- JFK: The Making of Modern Politics: 0.4m (4.5%)

ITV1 (inc HD)
06:00- Daybreak: 0.9m (20.8%)
* highest rating since launch
08:30- Lorraine: 1.2m (22.8%)
* highest ever rating
18:30- ITV News & Weather: 4.0m (17.9%)
19:00- Emmerdale: 8.1m (35.5%)
19:30- Coronation Street: 9.8m (40.4%)
20:00- The Deadliest Bite: Tonight: 3.1m (11.9%)
20:30- Coronation Street: 9.6m (36.7%)
21:00- I'm a Celebrity... Get Me Out of Here!: 9.6m (36.3%)
* up 1% from same ep last year (Katie Price's exit)
22:00- ITV News at Ten & Weather: 3.0m (14.4%)
22:35- Real Crime with Mark Austin: Rachel Nickell - Case Closed: 1.5m (10.7%)
23:35- Robson Green's Wild Swimming Adventure: 0.5m (7.5%)

C4 (inc HD & C4+1)
18:00- The Simpsons: 1.9m (8.6%)
18:30- Hollyoaks: 1.4m (5.8%)
19:00- Channel 4 News: 0.8m (3.2%)
20:00- Dispatches: City of Fear: 0.7m (2.5%)
21:00- Coppers: 2.2m (6.9%)
22:00- Chris Moyles' Quiz Night: 1.1m (5.3%)
22:55- Commando: 0.7m (7.9%)

Five (inc HD)
17:30- Neighbours: 1.5m (8.9%)
18:00- Home and Away: 1.0m (4.8%)
18:30- Live From Studio Five: 0.4m (1.9%)
19:00- Five News at 7: 0.2m (0.9%)
19:30- How Do They Do It?: 0.6m (2.6%)
20:00- The Gadget Show: 1.1m (4.1%)
21:00- Extreme Fishing with Robson Green: 0.9m (3.5%)
22:00- Kickboxer: 0.7m (4.8%)

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Yikes - a big drop for Accused. Maybe the show was too heavy last week and people wanted something more light hearted like IAC, which was up from last week's rating. It's a shame really. Very good rating for The One Show earlier on and apart from Accused, a solid evening for BBC1. Brilliant stuff from Miranda to get its highest overnight rating yet and it'll be interesting to see if the BBC promotes this to BBC1 for its next series or lets BBC2 keep it.

Daybreak and Lorraine did quite well by their standards yesterday, even share-wise both passed the 20% mark. Tonight at 8pm underperformed compared to how the 8pm filler has been doing this year, with ratings usually close to 4m. IAC did well to rate up from last week and last year's equivalent rating, though not too surprising after Gilian's antics the previous day.

Decent for Coppers in a tough slot and good to see The Gadget Show up above the 1m mark. Although Extreme Fishing is rating worse than previous series, I think it should be given another series because ~1m against that type of competition isn't bad. It'll be back over the 1m mark once IAC ends.
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Old 23-11-2010, 10:41
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Fantastifc ratings for One show. So Matt Baker effect not just on Countryfile.
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Old 23-11-2010, 10:52
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A private member's bill is being introduced in the House of Commons to move UK time in line with Central European time.

I know it seems unlikely but apprarently there is a real prospect of this getting substantial support.


If this happens CL games will have to kick-off at 8.45pm!

I suspect many people would not like this (ie fans, police etc) but there wouldn't be an alternative.

ITV would be delighted!
Stupid idea imo. The famous Prime/Greenwich/international Meridian after which our timezone is named runs right through our country plus it would cause just as many problems as it would solve.
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Old 23-11-2010, 10:55
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Yikes - a big drop for Accused. Maybe the show was too heavy last week and people wanted something more light hearted like IAC, which was up from last week's rating. It's a shame really. Very good rating for The One Show earlier on and apart from Accused, a solid evening for BBC1. Brilliant stuff from Miranda to get its highest overnight rating yet and it'll be interesting to see if the BBC promotes this to BBC1 for its next series or lets BBC2 keep it.

Daybreak and Lorraine did quite well by their standards yesterday, even share-wise both passed the 20% mark. Tonight at 8pm underperformed compared to how the 8pm filler has been doing this year, with ratings usually close to 4m. IAC did well to rate up from last week and last year's equivalent rating, though not too surprising after Gilian's antics the previous day.

Decent for Coppers in a tough slot and good to see The Gadget Show up above the 1m mark. Although Extreme Fishing is rating worse than previous series, I think it should be given another series because ~1m against that type of competition isn't bad. It'll be back over the 1m mark once IAC ends.
in your face rzt

agree about Accused, thought it would hold up well against IAC, I guess maybe people were not keen on the story.

I mean how many "here's the bad stuff" dramas have we have about Afganistan/Iraq in the last 5 years. It could be viewer fatigue
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Old 23-11-2010, 11:04
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in your face rzt

agree about Accused, thought it would hold up well against IAC, I guess maybe people were not keen on the story.

I mean how many "here's the bad stuff" dramas have we have about Afganistan/Iraq in the last 5 years. It could be viewer fatigue
Would viewers have known that it was about Afghanistan if they hadn't read the army's comments in the papers?
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Old 23-11-2010, 11:15
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Accused was not easy to watch last night. Tricky subject matter and quite violent in places. I'm not surprised its audience fell for that episode, and I reckon it will bounce back to around the 4m mark next week.

Not too concerned about Extreme Fishing's performance on Channel 5 either. It started the series very promisingly - actually rising from 1.4 to 1.5m across the first two episodes. It's fall below the 1.0m mark has clearly coincided with the return of I'm a Celebrity, which has swallowed up a lot of casual viewers. I predict it will rise to around 1.2-1.3 once that finishes.

Daybreak did rather well yesterday. Still some distance behind the nation's favourite Breakfast of course, but roughly speaking any day when they log a share of 20% or higher is good business for them. Perhaps there are signs that the tide is finally turning and the programme is gaining in popularity after a rocky start to say the least. But as I say it needs to be hitting that 20% share mark more often.

Virtually all the soaps did well yesterday, with the possible exception of Hollyoaks which logged a mediocre rating on C4 and a poor rating on E4. (540k, down over 20% week-on-week)
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Old 23-11-2010, 11:18
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Robbie Sykes will be pleased! From Broadcast:

http://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/5020836.article

C4 poaches BBC scheduling supremo

Channel 4 has again raided the BBC for a key executive, hiring George Dixon to replace Rosemary Newell as controller of channel management.

Negotiations are underway over when the BBC Vision head of scheduling will start at Horseferry Road, where he will report to incoming chief creative officer Jay Hunt, who worked closely with him when she ran BBC1.
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Old 23-11-2010, 11:20
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C4 Sales have removed all data for Monday except shares. Not sure what's going on there as it was all online a short time ago.

Scrubs (R) on E4 logged a particularly high rating of 400k at 6pm. And that is also where I got Hollyoaks' first look rating of 540k.
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Old 23-11-2010, 11:23
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Yikes - a big drop for Accused. Maybe the show was too heavy last week and people wanted something more light hearted like IAC, which was up from last week's rating..........Brilliant stuff from Miranda to get its highest overnight rating yet and it'll be interesting to see if the BBC promotes this to BBC1 for its next series or lets BBC2 keep it.
Put the 'gritty BAFTA' drama on Two and move the childish comedy to One.
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Old 23-11-2010, 11:24
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Bad news for Channel 4, they've (rather stupidly) poached George Dixon for some bizarre reason.

Bad for Accused last night, but good night for BBC1 - in particular The One Show. Very good rating for Miranda, I wonder if this will remain a BBC2 comedy or jump to BBC1 in the near future?

Solidly good ratings for ITV Breakfast, while I'm a Celebrity did very well to be up on last year's edition on the same day. Good rating for Channel 4 at 9pm in an incredibly tough slot.
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Old 23-11-2010, 11:30
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Bad news for Channel 4, they've (rather stupidly) poached George Dixon for some bizarre reason.

Bad for Accused last night, but good night for BBC1 - in particular The One Show. Very good rating for Miranda, I wonder if this will remain a BBC2 comedy or jump to BBC1 in the near future?

Solidly good ratings for ITV Breakfast, while I'm a Celebrity did very well to be up on last year's edition on the same day. Good rating for Channel 4 at 9pm in an incredibly tough slot.
George Dixon has made some scheduling decisions for BBC1 that haven't worked for me. Was it all down to him or the Controller as well?
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Old 23-11-2010, 11:33
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Good to see Day Brake views going up for ITV.
Some times I find BBC Breakfast quite bland.
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Old 23-11-2010, 11:35
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Look, I'm not sure, but I wouldn't put it passed ITV to move the soaps later in the evening every night in order to boost 9pm programming - it would be a disaster, but I think they'll do it in order to launch Bleakley and Chiles in an evening show opposite The One Show.

This could be a typical week, for example:-

Monday
7:00pm Bleakley & Chiles
8:00pm Emmerdale
You're right, that would be a disaster. BBC One would have a realistic chance of winning the 7pm timeslot with The One Show for the first time; Emmerdale would get crushed by EastEnders, remember it only beats it when it gets a head start for the hour-long episodes; and cutting the number of Coronation Street episodes isn't really going to benefit ITV1.

To be honest I can't see any of those things happening. They could maybe try Bleakley and Chiles at 5pm - but it would be far too risky for 7pm where they've already got something which works incredibly well night after night.

I'd go as far to say that they could possibly kill Emmerdale in the same way they killed The Bill if it clashed with EastEnders and Holby City on three nights a week!
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