Cant believe how low those CBBC figures are. Blue Peter- iconic Blue Peter- with just 400,000 when in what seems another reality 8 million would tune into what was a national institution. I suppose it was another reality really. I guess it performs a function but it hardly seems worth it- a Times report last year stated only 100,000 6 to 12 year olds were tuning in.

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...cle5720744.ece

Another great figure for my favourite daytime show Homes Under the Hammer -once you start watching you are tranquilised -great at the very least because it prevents Philip Schofield from gloating.

I'm amazed how low CBBC has got. Does anyone know how these figures compare to even as recently as the 90s? Take for instance something like The Demon Headmaster - that must have done really well because *everyone* in their mid 20s remembers that. Yet nowadays it makes you wonder whether kids chat in the playground about what shows they watched on TV the previous night because they were probably all watching different channels.

Link: http://tvbythenumbers.com/2010/10/27...ted-down/69939

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For all the criticism Who Wants to be a Millionnaire? gets, it does seem to hold up Tuesday's when it is on as it claims a stable, if unmagnificent 3m+ in the 8pm slot. I think the failure of Fiddles, Cheats and Scams had a knock on affect on 71 Degrees North, which I think does have potential on a better night.

I don't get why ITV are loathed to move Coronation Street to Tuesday's, just to give the schedule a bit of bite (even if it only manages around 6m because of change of night it's still double what anything else gets there). Monday night and Friday night really do not need two Coronation Street's to hold an end up so it's not as if an extra episode would need to be commissioned.

Disaster for Daybreak for what, all in all, was an awful day for ITV1. In the run up for Christmas they should be improving, not limping along pathetically.

It was a good night for BBC1, and Masterchef is performing excellently for BBC2. Million pund Drop is doing well for Channel 4 and CSI is achieving reasonable figures on Five.

Some Hollyoaks Later late night repeat figures. I'm pretty sure it's midnight it airs, or roundabout.

Monday - 141,000
Tuesday - 137,000

http://www.atvnewsnetwork.co.uk/toda...success-for-e4

CSI: Miami is doing very well especially when you consider CSI was doing similar figures back in January and that was considered okay. I do wonder how Five will cope when the CSI Franchise eventually ends, I reckon they'll move their other US imports like Mentalist and NCIS to Tuesdays and Saturdays.

that isnt really solving the problem in the long run, ok dont get me wrong Five should keep The Mentalist and NCIS, but after CSI ends, they are going to need to do more than just move some shows around.

would love for Five to get Criminal Minds again, but that seems unlikely

I think I've got that, even though it's not entirely in English.

But who or what is JLS? Is this big news?


Made the front page of tomorrow's Daily Mail - big picture of Christine and the headline "£1m Christine's breakfast ratings at all time low".

I wonder if the Mail will be kept hidden on the Daybreak papers review tomorrow morning?

That's if the papershop is still delivering to the studios...


Yes, I understand how the overnights work, and why the officials are sometimes lower than the overnights, but that wasn't my point. The concern is BARB's choice of methodology - how it reports its own official data for shows that weren't fully networked. It has the data for the various regional showings, all it needs to do is add X and Y and put Z in the BBC1 (etc) Top 30 instead of just X.

It wouldn't solve the problem in the long run but it would be a short fix but it would create problems for Wednesdays and Fridays.

Blue Bloods would be a good one for Five to pick up, when Mentalist goes on a break, they should premiere BB in its place and then move Mentalist to a weekday slot.

Just a quick question - didn't we used to get Reach figures every so often for Breakfast and GMTV??

So is there any Daybreak reach figures? (and BBC Breakfast so we can compare)

Would be intresting to see them - as Breakfast TV rating's can be obvioulsy a bit misleading.

Glee at 8pm isn't helping and DWTS is strong this year. TBL just seems to be getting squeezed out, which is a nightmare for NBC. In recent years it has been one of its best performers. It also means that Parenthood is getting hit at 10pm with a lower lead-in and figures no better than Leno. LOLA's figures will be interesting this week. If it does well then it might be time to move it to Thursdays to replace The Apprentice. That allows SVU to return to its favoured 10pm slot on Wednesdays. This was rumoured a few weeks back but then LOLA's figures tanked one week and rebounded last week.

Their midseason line-up isn't inspiring either. Love Bites is a nice idea but risky and has been plagued with problems from departing writers and actresses to pregnant stars (Becki Newton was meant to play a virgin in the show, so they couldn't really write around it). The Cape doesn't sound promising either.

They've got a trio of comedies and the trailers went down reasonably well. I liked the one for "Friends With Benefits" and I think it's a title that could attract some attention. But I can't see any obvious slot for them. Harry's Law is from David E Kelley and Kathy Bates in the lead role got great reviews in testing but it's another show being retooled because other parts didn't work so well.

NBC has a problem of where to schedule some of the midseason shows because they don't only have the three new comedies, they also have Parks and Recreations. I reckon Biggest Loser is either cut or spread across two nights rather than just one and the comedies go on Tuesdays at 9pm although I have no idea where Parks will go but my guess is that it will replace Community and The Paul Reiser Show could go on Tuesdays but Thursdays could be likely as well.

What about Sundays for Harry's Law? Maybe schedule Celebrity Apprentice between 8-10pm and have HL at 10pm.

The last thing Coronation Street needs is yet another change of night. If they can't move it back to Wednesdays then it should stay exactly where it is.

I suspect they won't want to do that because it'll result in another night rating badly and, as you've said yourself, harm Coronation Street which isn't what they would want to do with their flagship scripted show.

Say for example, ITV moves that Friday 8.30pm episode to Tuesday 8pm. It will result in a new 'FlopZone' on Fridays between 8-10pm and Corrie wouldn't rate as well up against Holby City. Basically the overall situation would be even worse for ITV1 than it is at the moment if they did that.

One thing that is blatantly clear about Tuesday nights at the moment is that the Grimefighter repeats should be pulled from the 7.30pm slot because it's been rating appaullingly and will have most likely had a negative knock-on effect on the 8pm programme. A decent programme in that slot is capable of about 3m (as we've seen with Children's Hospital earlier this year) or if ITV don't want to spend cash, then surely repeating Countrywise or Youve Been Framed there would be better.

I think they have to move CA to 8-10pm and use the lead-in. And I wouldn't be surprised if a few of those midseason shows ended up airing in the summer.

I'll be surprised if Undercovers gets the full 22 episodes so Wednesdays at 8pm should be open. But that's not great for comedy - FOX with Raising Hope at 8pm as of midseason and ABC have their own hour.

Then they'll either have Wednesdays at 9pm or Thursdays at 10pm depending on whether or not LOLA moves.

I'd move the Friday 7.30pm Coronation Street, stick a quiz show in that slot and then draw people back from EastEnders after it finishes. There'd be no point moving the 8.30pm showing; as you say that'd result in another Flop Zone after 8pm.

I don't honestly think Coronation Street would crash to 6m on a Tuesday night - that's just a comparison if it does. ITV shouldn't be focusing on keeping certain shows afloat but the brand as a whole.


Millionnaire managed to recover from the Grimefighters repeats IIRC - it's as much the 8pm show as the 7.30pm that is struggling. I agree that maybe that isn't the best show to pitch against EastEnders, but then again the soap is in such good form not much can compete well against it.

To be honest, though, Coronation Street is scheduled pathetically. Wednesday's are a write off thanks to the football, but they should've at least looked at Tuesday's when thinking about the change. I agree, the show could probably do without another schedule change but as I said above, ITV need to thinking about the overall brand, not one show inparticular.

Monday: 8.30pm
Tuesday: 8pm (hour long)
Thursday: 8.30pm
Friday: 8.30pm

ITV become immediately more competitive on a Tuesday night with Coronation Street anchoring the 8pm hour. It's also spread more throughout the week rather than airing five episodes in three days. The silly divided episodes are dropped.

The only thing I'm not happy about with the above is Thursday's episode starting at 8.30pm; it really should start on the hour so it doesn't begin halfway through a BBC1 hour long but it'd be ridiculous to have a 60 minute gap between two Emmerdale's.

Monday and Friday's would be weakened, admittedly, but frankly Friday isn't a huge issue as most of the advertising audience is out then anyway (hence ITV's half-hearted efforts in the 9pm hour in recent times) and Monday seems to be ITV's day so will hold up better than any other night (and Coronation Street still leads into the 9pm hour). Besides, I think the benefit to Tuesday would outweigh the minor damage to Monday and Friday.

I think a Coronation Street lead in would give ITV more confidence to try 'big' shows on a Tuesday night against what is usually weaker opposition. Understandably, they don't appear to have much confidence on the night at the moment.

Sorry this is longer than I thought it'd be and everyone'll probabaly disagree with it anyway.

I really like that Fudd, and perhaps to solve a couple of issues the Thursday Corrie could start at 8pm, leading into new stuff at 8:30pm rather than 9pm (30, 60 or 90 minute stuff). The extra Emmerdale could air on Mondays at 7:30pm (to form an hour long episode) so that night wouldn't be weakened too much and a soap clash is avoided.

That's a good idea - it'd also stop BBC1 moving EastEnders back to 7.30pm to try and scupper the 8.30pm Coronation Street with an hour long from 8pm.

You make some very valid points Fudd, some that the bigwigs at ITV should consider. Corrie is no longer the biggest show around for ITV now and its figures have been less impressive.

Moving a Friday episode to Tuesday would make sense, Friday would still be OK with Corrie on at 8:30 and Tuesday now has a vital boost. Corrie itself is no longer a show that should be protected at all costs and should be used to help ITV in areas of great need.

Another important thing for Corrie is the need for fixed repeat times on ITV2.

Thanks.

I think they should go for the 10.30pm slot on ITV3 personally - just after EastEnders on BBC3 and see if it can pull some people in. I don't think Coronation Street and ITV2 go together to be honest - Corrie is actually highbrow considering most of stuff broadcast!

The Friday 7:30pm slot has been a very good one for Corrie over the years, probably their best-rated slot at the moment outside of Mondays. I don't think moving it to Tuesday 8pm would make any significant difference to ITV's overall performance: Corrie would rate 4m better than how the Tuesday shows are doing at the moment and the quizshow you propose would probably rate 4m worse than how Corrie is rating in that slot at the moment. The Tuesday 8.30/9pm lead-in would be better but then again, the Friday 8pm lead-in would be worse and I think the 8.30pm Corrie would lose a few viewers.

Moving the Monday and Friday 7.30pm episodes to Tuesday 8pm would be a bad idea for ITV because it would open up the slots for the BBC to try some sitcoms and other shows which could rate rather well. Look at how well Life of Riley did at Wednesday 7.30pm in the old Corrie slot. There would be many more opportunities for the BBC to have hits if those 7.30pm slots weren't clogged up by Corrie on the other side. I suspect moving Corrie to Tuesday 8-9pm would actually result in the BBC performing even better during primetime which is the last thing ITV will want.

Yes, it might boost Tuesdays for ITV but the BBC would benefit the most from the changes overall due to the increased variety of programmes (and therefore the increased no. of hits) they would be able to offer.


Yep, but even taking away the effect it could have on the 8pm programme, 2.2m is terrible even against EastEnders. Shows like Countrywise/The Lakes can get 4m and even Real Deal gets 3m.

I did wonder about that, but I disagree - people are used to tuning into Coronation Street after EastEnders now, so I don't think it'd have much impact on either Monday or Friday's showings.

I don't think the Friday 7.30pm slot has performed that brilliantly in recent times - it just looks good when compared to Thursday's!


I'll disagree on this one. If we take Score's proposal in moving Emmerdale to an hour long on Monday, that'd lock out the 7.30pm slot straight away. ITV could easily air hour long's using the Coronation Street lead in on Thursday's to counteract BBC1. Friday's is a weak night anyway, and there's only one free slot because of EastEnders.

Besides, if 'more free slots' were beneficial to BBC1 how come they haven't found more hits? You rightly name Life of Riley but I can't really name another show that's done fantastically in that slot. If they can't fill one slot a year round, how can they manage with two?


That's true, and I'm surprised they're not airing they're better rating shows in the autumn against EastEnders instead of repeats. Maybe The X Factor has taken up the budget?

The Friday 7.30pm episodes do quite well relatively speaking with shares of about 40%. They've been getting about 8.5m recently, and considering the Thursday episodes get 7.5m, you'd have to say that Tuesday episodes up against Holby City would be down to about 6.5m-7m which would be unacceptable really for what is still ITV's best-rated weeknight show.


On Thursdays, Corrie would be half an hour long most weeks so that would give the BBC an opportunity at 8.30pm to try pre-watershed comedy and other things. Friday 7.30pm would be a prime spot for sitcoms to rate well, between The One Show and EastEnders.

Essentially I don't think moving 2 episodes of Corrie around and 1 episode of Emmerdale to simply boost Tuesdays is worth the hassle, when it will have a negative impact on Corrie and will open up more slots for the BBC to make inroads in. It's also not something which fans of Corrie will like as it breaks routines/habits which are years old and some viewers might not watch the Tuesday episodes and in addition to the Thursday episodes which don't rate anyway, they might say it's not worth keeping up with the show anymore, and it'll have a knock-on effect on how the other episodes rate.

The programmes which air on Tuesdays are cheap factual shows anyway so it's not really essential for ITV to get big ratings for them by giving them a Corrie lead-in. Don't get the false impression that if Corrie were to move to Tuesdays, they'd suddenly start commissioning dramas for Tuesday 9pm or expensive live shows. They'd probably still have the same old factual stuff!

Also we must remember that even with Corrie lead-ins on Thursdays, some shows at 9pm have been rating with just 3-3.5m viewers or so (Greatest Cities in the World, All at Sea, Homes From Hell). What's to say the same thing won't happen on Tuesdays?


You're right that BBC1 hasn't really taken advantage of the lack of Corrie in that Wednesday 7.30pm slot; I think other than LoR, Jimmy's Food Factory got 5m+ but cant remember any other show. On Sundays at 7pm, however, they've made real strides since Corrie moved away from there with the success of Countryfile. And I think on Friday 7:30pm they'd have more of a chance of succeeding because whatever show they have would be airing right before EE and I just think they'd make more of an effort there.


Yep, it must be desperate times at ITV HQ for them to re-run a whole series of Grimefighters in the Autumn .

I disagree. Any move would be of little benefit to ITV and would only damage Coronation Street further. They have very few hits as it is, I don't think it's wise to carry on messing with the ones they do have.