I think I'd have to see how well Liz performs as PM to definetly say if she'll win or not. I'm looking forward to that!

However, I would say she is the best performer in the series so far. I would like to see her win. Jamie and Stella are good contenders too, despite this week's defeat.

There are extra clips on the BBC website. In one Philip is wondering why Lorraine kept Yasmina with her. The other clips from that task show you why. It was very noticable that Yasmina usually attacked Debra in the boardroom, and only her. Otherwise she stayed quiet and listened. By afraid, I mean 'go along with for a quieter life'. With James, it's Yasmina wearing the trousers. That's what I see with Joanna. A strong personality and not afraid to push for what she wants. Joanna may be loud, but she's better organised and has more business knowledge/experience than Debra. That's the other things she shares with Yasmina.

Ok Liz made a good pitch with a good targeted product. The pitch was helped by both Chris and Alex though. It was a professional team effort. Alex appears to be the team strengthing glue.

Liz as PM could go two ways, like Kate Walsh and handle people respectfully or like Jennifer Maguire and panic, crash and burn. If she PM's with the team she's on now, it should go well as that's the strongest team.

Jamie is a bit of a big head, but he handles people well and makes good choices. Stella seems to have gone missing this task. I hope it's not a case of missing her kids that is getting to her.

Yeah I think Alex is something of a dark horse. That doesn't mean he'll win, but he's very professional and easy to work with, and seems to organise and facilitate for his team quite well. Stella did mess up last night but she can still pull it back - even the winners make mistakes. Liz has a lot of potential - but it's possible, as you pointed out, that the editing could be building her up only to set her up for a fall later. I still rate her highly though.

Liz looks good - but his Lordship has past form at not picking the smartest or the most able or any quiet candidate - which may come in to play.
We are also open to the "thus we see" bad essay ending - where the ending has nothing to do with what came before, this year if, indeed, the prize has changed. There's been no allowance, or mention even, of this so far, but logically setting up your own business needs different skills and an idea. Its, therefore, quite open for his Sugarship to pick someone for entrepreneurial skills that have never been needed on the show but which he may claim to see regardless.

Hopefully you are not talking about the team she was on yesterday


To be fair on Irish Jenny, she did have to manage Ginger Jenny, Claire, Alex AND Michael

I think she did a good job pitching on last night's show - but I think she's being slightly over-praised for it. It was a superb product and it was very well chosen considering their target market. She was ably supported by her team mates.

She pitched competently and well, but the orders came from the strength of the product rather than the strength of the pitch.

Having said that, she's definitely in the top four or five. Liz, Stella, Jamie, Christopher and Chris all look like strong candidates to me.

Well, it does help that she has Nick on her side (he has openly praised her twice this series). Cassandra.......uhhmm Lorraine managed to get in the final five with Margaret backing her last year (though in hindsight she seemed to regret backing her).



I would replace him with Joanna, as all he has done is shout some military orders (and being in the newspapers a lot, though Joanna has also been in them).

She comes across as quietly competent to me.

The team were lucky in that they got the babygro to sell (possibly down to Stuart's rudeness to the inventor during the selction process), but given that one of the pre arranged pitches was to a babywear retailer - it was a no-brainer that it was going to sell to that particular customer!

She gave a good pitch to the right customer - but whoever gave that pitch to kiddiworld would probably have got as many orders, and all Liz did was basically the same demo as the inventors did to the teams at the beginning - she didn't add anything of her own to it.....

I agree that she is not flying under the radar in the traditional sense, but what she has managed to do is only get noticed in a positive way.

I'd agree, don't see him as a winner, but he's way more effective and quietly hard working then I expected. Did think he handled the Q&A section of the presentation very well.

I disagree. She has a way with people and makes it look effortless and natural. The other team didn't even manage to get the babygrow because they messed up the pitch to the designer and were quite rude. When the packaging of the product was criticised, Liz handled it with grace and turned it around and didn't even bat an eyelid.

On the other team, their pitching was awful, their people skills diabolicial and their ability to think on their feet practically non-existent. Even if the other team had the baby grow, I don't think they would've gotton as many sales. Liz is naturally graceful and that's probably why people don't think she's doing much. It will be interesting to see how she progresses.

And the other team got B&Q to sell their shower heads and gardening tools to. Again a no brainer but they din't sell as much.

Saying that I'm undecided on who will win. If Chris can sort out his monotone voice he has a good chance.

I think with Liz, once shes PM - that will decide whether she is a winner or an also ran. She has performed well so far. Although she did go missing in week 2.


Nick did say that Chris was monotone, but his content was very good. I dont think this will stop him from winning. Its something that can be easily fixed by Sugar and his team. The main thing was the content was good accurate and to the point.

I'm not at all convinced by Liz, she seems somewhat vain & shallow.

Has anyone else noticed her Model type power walk when the camera is on her? Once you spot it for the first time you'll notice how often she does it.

Possibly (almost certainly) vain but haven't seen much evidence of shallowness (or shallownessocity as Mel might have said) yet. We'll see more of her personality as the series progresses.

Like your username, by the way.

Sorry, was just thinking of Chris and Alex, forgot where Joanna was. Sugar does after a while start moving the stronger people into the same team. Or at least unbalencing them. Wait till next week.

Yes, of those she could only relie on Alex not try and sabotage things (Claire!). Ok she did no planning, but with that team what would have been the point? Lee had people who were sensible. Well apart from Lucinda who might have wandered off and got sold or something.

I can't imagine why Liz bothers with this bunch of no-hopers.
Head and shoulders above them.
It must be her ambitionability.

We haven't seen enough of her yet to know she's head and shoulders above. I like Liz but the babygro really did sell itself the last night.

The idea of the baby grow was good but there was one major flaw that no one picked up on (maybe they did and I didn't see it so feel free to correct me if I'm wrong). The whole point of the baby grow was that it was heat sensitive and if it went into a certain danger zone, it would change colour, alerting the partents that there was something wrong with their child.

When it was pointed out that the cost of it was almost £25, one of the team members pointed out that it was a good indicator of temperature change, which has an impact on cot deaths and many mother's would consider it a small price to pay to keep their children safe.

What got me, was that while the suit did change color, did it set off an alarm if the suit reached a certain temperature? If not, then I don't see the advantage of this suit at all. The biggest worry for parents is when they and their child is alseep, as this is most likely when cot death will occur and unless the suit is alarm operated, I don't see what advantage a colour changing suit will have?

Again, maybe it was alarm operated and I missed this. Could someone clear this up for me please? If there is no alarm, then this suit is nothing more than a waste of money. Sure it might turn white if the child is too hot, but a good visual indicator of that is that the child's face usually goes flush and they will emitte a high pitched cry, which will alert you to the fact that all is not well.

I totally agree that the product is flawed, but as others have pointed out, it's a thing paranoid new parents will buy.

Unfortunately for parents, it will cost then £25 per suit and lead them into a false sense of security. Imagine how many baby grows you can buy in primark for £25!

The BBC Breakfast resident GP, Dr. Rosemary Leonard, emphatically did not recommend it but I can't remember her reasons.
And, as pointed out above, if it doesn't trigger an alarm, what point is it?
Tragically wise after a cot death?
So, was Liz knowingly trying to flog a seriously flawed product?
Has she no morals?

I know, but the baby products website knows that there are plenty of idiots out there.

Well, I think she, like the majority of the candidates, didn't think about it logically.

Surprisingly, Stubags was the only one who questioned it. Shame he was so churlish about it.

I don't think so, I think Joanna might be a dark house.