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Exclusivity - inconsistent?
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tabithakitten
27-10-2010
Blimey, I have as much business sense as a wet behind the ears amoeba (okay amoebas son't have ears) and I don't think this exclusivity thing is particularly difficult to grasp.

If the product is yours it's fine.

If it's someone else's, you can't offer it unless they give permission.
DavetheScot
28-10-2010
Originally Posted by tabithakitten:
“Blimey, I have as much business sense as a wet behind the ears amoeba (okay amoebas son't have ears) and I don't think this exclusivity thing is particularly difficult to grasp.

If the product is yours it's fine.

If it's someone else's, you can't offer it unless they give permission.”

Exactly, and Sugar explained very clearly why it had been a problem, just as he did in the ice cream task in series 4.
Trollheart
28-10-2010
Originally Posted by Sherlock_Holmes:
“Too often it happens that Lord Sugar knows more then the viewers by suddenly bringing it up in the boardroom.”

What, did his lunch not agree with him or something?
My name's Scott
28-10-2010
The exclusivity thing was only for shops inSoho, big deal Soho is a tiny area!
Uroboros1
28-10-2010
Originally Posted by My name's Scott:
“The exclusivity thing was only for shops inSoho, big deal Soho is a tiny area!”

Scott,

Soho is a vast area of retail outlets, covering hundreds of boutiques, specialist shops, retail outlets and extends over Oxford Street, Piccadilly, Department stores and parts of REgent Street, it's 8 square miles of wall to wall shops and one of the most densely populated retail areas of London. It's also the main fashion retail area for gay men, the ideal target market for that t shirt.

The shop vendor specifically stated that no other shop in Soho could sell it, he cleverly left that ambivalent so that if needed he could and would stipulate the parameters of Soho. He also didn't stipulate how long that exculsivity would last for AND he got them to agree to that for a mere 200 units of the t-shirt.

To limit yourself to one shop in Soho for 200 t shirts is a big deal. A very stupid deal, and a very clever deal on the part of the shop owner.
My name's Scott
28-10-2010
Sorry, my post was meant to be sarcastic
Uroboros1
28-10-2010
Originally Posted by My name's Scott:
“Sorry, my post was meant to be sarcastic ”

Sorry, I'm an idiot. I promise I'm not usually this humourless, it's late. x
bornslippy
28-10-2010
Originally Posted by Uroboros1:
“To limit yourself to one shop in Soho for 200 t shirts is a big deal. A very stupid deal, and a very clever deal on the part of the shop owner.”

Nah, he would never have been able to defend the 'exclusivity', nor would he have ever been able to shift the 200 items of stock he paid up front for
Gutted Girl
28-10-2010
Why did they not realise the rules over exclusivity when their PM certainly did and said that those sales would be thrown out? Which they were.
DavetheScot
28-10-2010
Originally Posted by Gutted Girl:
“Why did they not realise the rules over exclusivity when their PM certainly did and said that those sales would be thrown out? Which they were.”

Because they're not as clever as they think they are.
thenetworkbabe
28-10-2010
Originally Posted by Uroboros1:
“You can't offer exclusivity without prior consent of the maufacturer.

But whether they had it or not, no one with an ounce of business acument offers exclusivity to anyone for an amount as small as 200 units.”

And no one offers it to shop B having already sold to shop A - particularly when there's no guarantee they can undo their contract with A.

I don't see how you could do an exclusivity deal anyway just standing there - how on earth do you even define the area the deal covers - soho? 500 yards from this shop.....??

The viewers problem is its unclear what deals they have been authorised to make and what they can't. From the apprentices point of view, their freedom to negotiate is very small - so Melissa can't do anything when she's offered £6 - for however many the order is for and whatever price she could bid up to.
Tourista
28-10-2010
Originally Posted by Suze:
“To be honest - if you are a business person the difference betwen the two situations is clear and doesn't need to be explained. The girls should have known what they agreed with the manufacturer - in the same way the other team should have known what prices they were allowed to offer.”

Well put.
marvola45
28-10-2010
Originally Posted by Gutted Girl:
“Why did they not realise the rules over exclusivity when their PM certainly did and said that those sales would be thrown out? Which they were.”

Because all they were focussed on was having the most orders. Paloma, in particular, seems desperate to prove she can sell, but this is twice now that we've seen her sell without thinking of the consequences of the deal.
Loona123
28-10-2010
Hi guys,

Sorry to break the news & set the record straight.

Paloma has negotiated certain streets within Soho- not the entire Soho region. Clearly this was not shown.

A few other points before you call her incompetent as I know how competent she really is- check out her linked in profile

a) It was her idea to sell in Soho in the first place. The other 2 muppets just winged and complained about their order books all day

b) It was a few streets within Soho for a limited period. Hardly what I call nationwide or limiting exclusivity.

c) The other retailers they had seen all day in Soho (yes they went door to door all day) were not really interested ithe garments. One of them grudgingly took an order but it was based more on camera pressure than anything else.

d) Their champerone for the day had said they could go ahead with the deal as they would get confirmation from the manufacturer that day if it was go/no go

d) IT IS A COMPETITION
clearly everyone forgets that.
Everyone was told to fill their order books as they would be looked at.
Paloma made a judgement call with Sandeesh that it was better to take the large order and cancel the tiny one ( they weren't that into the product anyway) so that the mobile sales team could boost their figures.

Sometimes things aren't what they seem- placing judgement on candidates like that and calling them stupid for it clearly reflects more on you
marvola45
28-10-2010
Originally Posted by Loona123:
“Hi guys,

Sorry to break the news & set the record straight.

Paloma has negotiated certain streets within Soho- not the entire Soho region. Clearly this was not shown.

A few other points before you call her incompetent as I know how competent she really is- check out her linked in profile

a) It was her idea to sell in Soho in the first place. The other 2 muppets just winged and complained about their order books all day

b) It was a few streets within Soho for a limited period. Hardly what I call nationwide or limiting exclusivity.

c) The other retailers they had seen all day in Soho (yes they went door to door all day) were not really interested ithe garments. One of them grudgingly took an order but it was based more on camera pressure than anything else.

d) Their champerone for the day had said they could go ahead with the deal as they would get confirmation from the manufacturer that day if it was go/no go

d) IT IS A COMPETITION
clearly everyone forgets that.
Everyone was told to fill their order books as they would be looked at.
Paloma made a judgement call with Sandeesh that it was better to take the large order and cancel the tiny one ( they weren't that into the product anyway) so that the mobile sales team could boost their figures.

Sometimes things aren't what they seem- placing judgement on candidates like that and calling them stupid for it clearly reflects more on you”

Umm... are you Paloma?
Loona123
28-10-2010
no but I was there & know what happened.

Think it is really unfair candidates being branded as idiots or lack of forward thinking as the editing suite can paint a different story

she was a shit hot candidate who was head & shoulders more cabable than a lot of others...
Cheapthrills
28-10-2010
So she had the brilliant idea to sell in Soho, but not that many people in Soho were interested in buying the product?

And saying she had foresight to take big orders over small ones doesn't mean much seeing as her order finally amounted to zero as she didn't realise she couldn't give any type of exclusivity.
qfg
29-10-2010
Originally Posted by Loona123:
“no but I was there & know what happened.

Think it is really unfair candidates being branded as idiots or lack of forward thinking as the editing suite can paint a different story

she was a shit hot candidate who was head & shoulders more cabable than a lot of others...”

You claimed to be male in your profile, so you must be "the brand"?
Tourista
29-10-2010
Originally Posted by Loona123:
“no but I was there & know what happened.

Think it is really unfair candidates being branded as idiots or lack of forward thinking as the editing suite can paint a different story”

Her total lack of basic skills paint her in this task as "incompetent", not any editing suite!.
Cheapthrills
29-10-2010
'head and shoulders more capable'? didn't realise Melissa was a Paloma fan.
Tercet2
29-10-2010
Originally Posted by Loona123:
“no but I was there & know what happened.

Think it is really unfair candidates being branded as idiots or lack of forward thinking as the editing suite can paint a different story

she was a shit hot candidate who was head & shoulders more cabable than a lot of others...”

So why in other posts have you claimed to be an ex-colleague? You can't be both. If you were some production runner you won't be again if you're breaking the secrecy of what goes on in this show. You know, contracts and stuff.

And you didn't mention what usually happens when they go calling on retailers. Many retailers (and companies) won't agree to filming so it can't be shown. I know you'd think they'd want publicity, but it's hardly that. Maybe they think it's a front for Watchdog
Tourista
29-10-2010
Originally Posted by Tercet2:
“So why in other posts have you claimed to be an ex-colleague? You can't be both. If you were some production runner you won't be again if you're breaking the secrecy of what goes on in this show. You know, contracts and stuff.

And you didn't mention what usually happens when they go calling on retailers. Many retailers (and companies) won't agree to filming so it can't be shown. I know you'd think they'd want publicity, but it's hardly that. Maybe they think it's a front for Watchdog ”

Good points Tercet....

Certainly to my (admitedly meagre) knowledge, any staff working on TA, would have to have a non disclosure clause in their contracts......

As to your "Watchdog" line, how do you think ole Annie would do in the boardroom?....
Tercet2
29-10-2010
Originally Posted by Tourista:
“
As to your "Watchdog" line, how do you think ole Annie would do in the boardroom?....”

Anne? You want more rudeness? lol


There have been disclosures about the filming, but always from companies that have help or judged, never from TV crew. Non disclosure clause is exactly right. Applies to just about every job contract there is, not just TV.
Tourista
29-10-2010
Originally Posted by Tercet2:
“Anne? You want more rudeness? lol”

More, lots more rudeness please.....
Uroboros1
29-10-2010
Loona is obviously Paloma, licking her wounds at her early bathtime at the hands of his Omniscient Majestrix Lord Alan.
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