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Soap Ratings Thread (Part 5)
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Doctor Bench
21-12-2011
Originally Posted by ::Adam:::
“to be fair aswel - the weather is quite mild for December, comparing it to last year where it was freezing and snowy.”

True, but it's still only reached 9m once since late May.
rzt
22-12-2011
Originally Posted by Doctor Bench:
“How do you think EE will fare on Christmas Day, against DA?”

EastEnders will come out on top in the overnight ratings battle, I have pretty much no doubt about that. I can see why the press are hyping up the "EE v DA Christmas Day ratings battle" since DA is the most popular drama series on TV of the last decade. BUT, there has been a common pattern every single year that ITV1 programmes - including Corrie and Emmerdale - rate lower on Xmas Day than other days of the year. Normally the soaps on ITV1 rate about 10-25% lower than usual on Christmas Day, whilst non-soaps have rated as much as 25-40% lower than normal. There is no reason to believe, despite all the hype, that Downton Abbey will buck the trend - it may well not drop as much as previous Xmas Day dramas but there will be some kind of dip, it's sort of inevitable.

DA averaged 9.2m in the overnights for its most recent series just gone by. Even if we assume DA will not rate any lower than usual on Christmas Day (i.e. get 9.2m), it would still probably just be pipped by EastEnders which in recent years has experienced a 10-20% rise on Xmas Day compared to its highest rated episode a few days' beforehand. This year, I expect EE to rate more like 5-10% higher than its highest rated episode beforehand (the 8.8m which it got on Monday a couple of days ago) since it's facing tougher competition than normal, but that would still be enough to edge past DA, even if DA rates as it normally does. But I think DA will rate lower than 9.2m anyway, by about -15% (which is being quite conservative IMO - in previous years programmes have dropped more than that), which ought to be enough for 'Enders to beat DA by at least 1m in the overnights, I should think.

The thing is: BBC1 programmes on Christmas Day tend to rate about 20% higher than normal, whilst ITV1 programmes tend to rate about 20% lower than normal. So there's a 40% swing towards the BBC, meaning that for an ITV1 programme to win head-to-head it has to be millions more popular than its competition. Whilst Downton Abbey is undoubtedly extremely popular, it's not "millions" more popular than EastEnders, and that's why I can't see it winning. 11-12 years ago, ITV1 aired Who Wants to Be A Millionaire on Christmas Day, a show which at the time was the biggest thing on television, getting 15m+ viewers for regular episodes, yet its ratings dropped by a fifth on Christmas Day to about 12m and was beaten by BBC1. I can see the same sort of thing happening with DA too.

So my rough predictions (to the nearest half a million) for Christmas Day are:

Overnights: EastEnders: 9.5m, Downton Abbey: 7.5m (exc +1)
Officials: EastEnders: 11.0m, Downton Abbey: 10.0m (exc +1)

Downton might be 0.5m closer with +1 included. But I do think EE is most likely going to come out on top, especially in the overnights. For the end-of-year top 10 chart though, unfortunately for EE, I can't see any episode left this year rating higher than Corrie's highest rated episode so EE will probably have to settle for the 2nd-most-watched top soap rating of the year. EE, however, does have a good early chance of claiming the top soap rating of 2012 if it can pull in a big audience for the New Year's Day or Monday 2nd January episode.
crazyguyz999
22-12-2011
Originally Posted by ::Adam:::
“to be fair aswel - the weather is quite mild for December, comparing it to last year where it was freezing and snowy.”

That is no excuse whatsoever! Mild at this time of year is 10c and it doesn't make me want to nip out in the garden and have a bbq and the nights are at the absolute shortest now. That is no excuse at all. Yes it was bad last year, but this month the weather has been cold and miserable and very windy at the start of the month. 2006 and 2007 were very mild winters and the ratings were much higher.I am not raining on there parade, but people use the same excuse. People don't think because its mild for the time of year, especially in winter, to go out more in the evening, mild is still cold at this time of year.

In april EE was getting well over 10 million and guess what that was the mildest ever april. The weather has no bearing, apart from in summer mostly when people go away and stuff.
bananashake
22-12-2011
I think EE will win as DA is over 2 HOURS long and has ad breaks that annoy people while EE is 1 hour long and is followed by Ab Fab which was pretty popular in its hey day! In addition, EE has a better lead in than DA!
crazyguyz999
22-12-2011
Originally Posted by bananashake:
“I think EE will win as DA is over 2 HOURS long and has ad breaks that annoy people while EE is 1 hour long and is followed by Ab Fab which was pretty popular in its hey day! In addition, EE has a better lead in than DA!”

Plus if people really wanted to watch EE, they would watch DA on time shift.
bananashake
22-12-2011
Originally Posted by crazyguyz999:
“Plus if people really wanted to watch EE, they would watch DA on time shift.”

Exactly! Additionally, it is released on DVD the next day! :L
rzt
23-12-2011
Thursday 22nd December - Soap Overnights
BBC One
19:30- EastEnders: 8.39m (35.2%)

ITV1
19:00- Emmerdale: 7.03m (32.2%) , +1: 152k (0.6%)
20:00- Emmerdale: 7.43m (31.1%) , +1: 150k (0.6%)
20:30- Coronation Street: 7.79m (31.6%) , +1: 197k (0.8%)

Channel 4
18:30- Hollyoaks: 967k (4.9%)

Channel 5
17:30- Top 20 Soap Moments: 379k (2.3%)

BBC Three
22:00- EastEnders: 825k (3.7%)

E4
19:00- Hollyoaks: 665k (3.0%) , +1: 122k (0.5%)

Ratings include HD and are tape-checked where necessary

Source: DS
Doctor Bench
23-12-2011
Bar Emmerdale, not great.
GameChanger
23-12-2011
A fairly comfortable win for EE, although not spectacular across the board. Anyone have some comparison ratings from the last two years?
dillan
23-12-2011
Quite good for BBC3 repeat. Hopefully ratings for EE will increase tonight.

And speaking of EE vs. DA, I definitely think EE will win, especially as it has no ad breaks.
dullagj2
23-12-2011
same day last year:
Emmerdale 6.97m/8.08m
up 60k & down 650k
Corrie 9.34m
down 1.55m
EastEnders 9.26m
down 870k

same day 2009(xmas eve)
Emmerdale 5.8m
Corrie 7.58m
EastEnders 8.07m

EE v Corrie- Thursday fight
8.39m v 7.79m
EE winning 35-16 with 1 Thursday left this year
GameChanger
23-12-2011
Wow, that's quite a drop for Corrie compared to last year. The Thursday excuse can't really be used when you see what ratings it can achieve in that slot.

They're all pretty level with their 2009 figures though.
sheepiefarm
23-12-2011
Originally Posted by dullagj2:
“same day last year:
Emmerdale 6.97m/8.08m
up 60k & down 650k
Corrie 9.34m
down 1.55m
EastEnders 9.26m
down 870k”

Can you remember where these figures came from? - DS didn't report overnights for this day last year.
My ED figures are 7.2 & 8.4 (BARB officials 7.61 & 8.46)
I think I took the overnights from someone on the tv ratings thread.
dullagj2
23-12-2011
Originally Posted by sheepiefarm:
“Can you remember where these figures came from? - DS didn't report overnights for this day last year.
My ED figures are 7.2 & 8.4 (BARB officials 7.61 & 8.46)
I think I took the overnights from someone on the tv ratings thread.”

DS overnight ratings report for Thursday 23rd December, the equivalent Thursday last year
sheepiefarm
23-12-2011
Originally Posted by dullagj2:
“DS overnight ratings report for Thursday 23rd December, the equivalent Thursday last year”

But DS didn't report overnight ratings for that day - hence my question.
dullagj2
23-12-2011
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“Wednesday 22nd December 2010
17:30 - Neighbours: 1.2m (6.7%)
18:30 - Hollyoaks: 1.4m (5.8%) inc +1
19:30 - Emmerdale: 7.6m (31.0%)

Thursday 23rd December 2010
17:30 - Neighbours: 1.14m (6.1%)
18:00 - Hollyoaks: 533,000 (2.5%)
* lowest ever rating for a C4 airing
18:30 - Hollyoaks: 920,000 (4.1%)
19:00 - Emmerdale: 6.97m (29.7%)
19:30 - EastEnders: 9.26m (38.5%)
20:00 - Emmerdale: 8.08m (32.9%)
20:30 - Coronation Street: 9.34m (36.3%)

ITV's Thursday ratings exclude HD. No ratings are tape-checked. Hollyoaks' Thursday ratings exclude +1.”

here they are again, this time posted in this thread
garyessex
23-12-2011
Originally Posted by dullagj2:
“here they are again, this time posted in this thread”

Yikes at Hollyoaks back then
sheepiefarm
23-12-2011
Originally Posted by dullagj2:
“here they are again, this time posted in this thread”

Thanks - though the ratings usually given out on the tv ratings thread by posters such as D.M.N very often don't co-relate to the ratings given out by DS overnights (tape-checked, HD & +1 included or excluded) - therefore comparisons between the two shouldn't really be made.

Sorry - I know I'm being pedantic - but making statements such as being 60k up & 650k down are only meaningfull if the data comes from the same source.
dullagj2
23-12-2011
Originally Posted by sheepiefarm:
“Thanks - though the ratings usually given out on the tv ratings thread by posters such as D.M.N very often don't co-relate to the ratings given out by DS overnights (tape-checked, HD & +1 included or excluded) - therefore comparisons between the two shouldn't really be made.

Sorry - I know I'm being pedantic - but making statements such as being 60k up & 650k down are only meaningfull if the data comes from the same source.”

both sets of ratings are from DS
sheepiefarm
23-12-2011
Originally Posted by dullagj2:
“both sets of ratings are from DS”

This is the link to DS's december soap ratings 2010
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/soaps/co...tings/?page=14
As you can see - they didn't report ratings for 23 & 24 Dec.
Roscoe Barnes
23-12-2011
Last years episode of Corrie got 9.8m (inc. HD) according to my records. It's also worth remembering Corrie was experiencing abit of bounce in the run up to Xmas last year due to the Tram Crash so comparing to last year isn't a fair comparison really as the whole month was boosted by the 50th Anniversary.
Doctor Bench
23-12-2011
Originally Posted by Roscoe Barnes:
“Last years episode of Corrie got 9.8m (inc. HD) according to my records. It's also worth remembering Corrie was experiencing abit of bounce in the run up to Xmas last year due to the Tram Crash so comparing to last year isn't a fair comparison really as the whole month was boosted by the 50th Anniversary.”

Haven't seen you here in ages!
Roscoe Barnes
23-12-2011
Originally Posted by Doctor Bench:
“Haven't seen you here in ages! ”

I still read this thread but rarely comment. But you know I like the Xmas soap ratings battle.
dan2008
23-12-2011
Originally Posted by Doctor Bench:
“Bar Emmerdale, not great.”

Up on 2009 and against 2 london teams in Football last night (Spurs VS Chelsea) and of course The last Thursdat before xnas.Thats not a bad figure when you take that into account
snickerdoodle
23-12-2011
Thank God EE is back on top! Woohoo well deserved
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