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Old 11-11-2001, 21:18
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Listened to the Top 40 for the first time in ages today. What a pile of hot steaming shite it is these days. In my day a record had to be something really special to go straight into the Top 20 let alone no 1.
It appears that Westlife could record themselves puking down the toilet bowl (Well thats what Queen Of My Heart sounds like anyway) and their pathetic fans would go out and buy it and send it to Number 1.
Heard about 5 or 6 decent tracks in the whole Top 40 and I have a really wide taste in music
Good Stuff - Alicia Keys, Cher, The Strokes, Depeche Mode, Uncle Kracker ,Wacko, Groove Armada.
The rest either soulless tuneless dance music or horrible tuneless, shouty rawk "music"
God I must be getting old!!
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Old 11-11-2001, 21:20
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True, the music in 2001 has been the worst year on record. have boguth 2 singles and taped about 5 tracks form the radio.

As for the Top 40 shows, ALWAYS listen to R1 cos it's the music that I want to hea (if it was any good). They always play the songs in full whereas Foxy talks all over the songs on the Network Chart - interesting cos during daytime radio, R1 talls all over the soings whereas ILR tends to play the tunes more fully.
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Old 11-11-2001, 21:53
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Westlife -

Why
Every
Song
The
Laborious
Identical
For
Ear-Punishment

With regards to the top 40, most of it is indeed crap, I hardly buy anything from it.

No doubt there will be yet another boring Now Compilation released before Christmas, What is it, Now 349 or something with all your favourite crap tunes pumped out about 50 times a day on Radio 1 - What a Rip-Off

I bet someone has collected every one of the Now collection
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Old 11-11-2001, 21:56
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yes the top 40 has been pretty bad and i seriously wonder how anyone could actually buy some (even most) of the stuff in the top 40

thats not to say that there hasnt been good music in 2001
recommended albums include

dido- no angel
travis the invisible band
fragma- toca
kylie minogue- fever
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Old 11-11-2001, 21:57
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2001 has been a good year for music! lots of new good bands have appeared and the old ones bringing out good songs! such as :
sum 41,
american hi fi,
alkaline trio,
wheatus,
new found glory,
linkin park,
less than jake,
alien ant farm

and olderish bands like :
blink 182
steriophonics
limp bizkit
travis
U2
offspring
manics
green day

You could say thats its been the year of rock! which im glad cos i cant stand all that garage stuff!

u may look at these bands and wonder i dont like them! fair enough! but they have been making good music all year round!

then u may think but thses arent in the top 40! well that again is sadly true cos the top 40 is full of girly bands like u said westlife with these great bands appearing in the chart now and again!

for example, green day released a song called "waiting" its a really good song but it only made to like 32 in the charts!

i remember when the top 40 was full of good songs back in the early 90s with the like of blur and oasis!

o well......all i can suggest is dont listen to the charts!
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Old 11-11-2001, 22:15
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I can tstand hard rock/Punk (E.G. Less than Jake, Linkin park, Slipknot, Manson etc...)

And I cant stand girly pop (e.g. westlife, S Club, Steps, Britney, Kylie etc...)
I like whats in-between.
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Old 11-11-2001, 22:20
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thats cool!

everyone has their different tastes in music!

i hate going to clubs cos of the music is shite in my opinion but loads of people love it!
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Old 11-11-2001, 23:09
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Everyone has their own personal tastes, so you can't say a certain year is better than the other or visa verser!

I personally think this year has been better than last year(not saying much i know). But that's probably because i like the whole rock/punk scene(always have). Even though i listen to "heavy" rock most of the time, i still like some pop acts like Steps , Kylie, even Hear'say (no boyband shite though! i assure you).

Bring back the brit-pop days i say, when the charts were dominated by some top acts with lots of talent and lots of attitude!



P.S. Rob i'm not meaning to sound like those oh-so-annoying people who pick up on typos..but what was "boguth" meant to say? I've been trying to work it out for ages LOL
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Old 11-11-2001, 23:20
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Yeah im mainly a rap man myself who takes a slight interest in other categorys e.g-Id like maybe 80% of rap but i wouldnt be over fond of rock.U2 are great though and i love alot of the deadly rock music of the 80s from the likes of the Boomtown Rats[im not into the heavy nu metal nonsense by the likes of Kurt Cobain and his ilk].I also dont like most dance music as theyre not really ones you can sing or even dance to in a club.But there are a handful of dance artists like Bomfunk MC that are class.Not into all that Ibiza shite at all though-way to light and quiet sounding for my tastes.So there you have it,mainly rap with a sprinkling of the best of other genres[except pop of course,which dosent actually have a good fringe ]
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Old 12-11-2001, 01:03
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Tune into 863,859 or 882[Sky Digital] & hear some classic Cher stuff,i'm afraid her latest effort is poor in comparison.

The Music's no good without you seems to go on & on & on & on & on & on & on.
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Old 12-11-2001, 12:13
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I haven't listened to the top 40 on radio since the late eighties/early ninties. The music that is in the charts at the moment is a pile of shite.

I totally agree with you about Cher's new single it's crap, but because it's crap it will get to number 1.
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Old 12-11-2001, 15:52
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One of the best songs of the year -Last Nite by the Strokes entered the chart at number 14.

What!?!?!

This is class. This should be number 1. Not Westshite. Name me one straight bloke who bought the westlife. Everyone who bought this must have been 16- girls.

Do they buy it more than once?
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Old 12-11-2001, 17:01
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My sister bought 2 copies to make sure it got number 1.
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Old 12-11-2001, 18:44
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Originally posted by James2001
My sister bought 2 copies to make sure it got number 1.
no offence, but she deserves to be shot.
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Old 12-11-2001, 19:06
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Id say the artists do like her too sometimes.For example,id be fairly sure that stars with fragile egos and cash to burn like Posh Spice have sent their staff out to buy their records in the thousands to push up their position on the charts.Pathetic
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Old 12-11-2001, 22:28
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the singles chart can not be given any credit at all. it is mainly teenage girls buying them and as James pointed out his sister bought 2 copies of the Westlife song. how many others are doing this. the album chart is much more credible IMO. only moneybags is able to buy an album twice to give it a better chart position
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Old 14-11-2001, 10:44
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The Top 40 has been shite for a long, long time.. I read a few years a go that the whole of the Top 40 single sales of 1996 ended up fewer than one month of sales in 1984... an amazing statistic..

I personally think they should ban covers, and restrict or delay the sales of complation albums for a few months.. why should people go out and buy singles when they can buy a double CD with virtually the whole of the top 40 a week later??

The whole reason why the Top 40 is crap at the moment is because the sales of singles are virtually non existant.. thats why ANY song can get in the Top 40, and why bands like Westlife and co have nine number ones..

Westlife have said that they want to go down as having more number 1s than the Beatles.. that says it all.........

The Top 40. Rest In Peace.....


Dan

PS.. Im gonna see the Stereophonics and Feeder at Wembley Arena this Saturday.. awesome!! Thank god that there are bands like these around..
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Old 14-11-2001, 22:05
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Originally posted by DanVitale


I personally think they should delay the sales of complation albums for a few months.. why should people go out and buy singles when they can buy a double CD with virtually the whole of the top 40 a week later??
thats all very well and good for the state of the top 40, but as a consumer I can't help but think I'd sooner get value for money rather than a better top 40.

Personally I don't buy Now XX or simaler chart albums so it doesnt really affect me, but I'm sure many people would agree with my above statement.
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Old 15-11-2001, 10:03
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If you want to talk about value for money lets look at the media.

Ok. The old 7" singles had two sides. One song per side. For the sake of £1 more for a CD single you would get at least one extra song, maybe two and vastly better sound quality and versitality.

Then you have the 12" single. Three tracks if youre lucky. We now have DVD singles which have again, vastly better sound quality and also Video capabilitys (and maybe Dolby Digital 5.1 or DTS encoding). This again for £1 more than the 12" were selling for.

The media is there. The quality of songs in the Top 40 isnt.

The only reason so many songs get released on the compliation albums is that the Top 40 doesnt sell a fraction of the amount of sales that it did in the 60s, 70s, and 80s. The record companies need to make money off the songs. They sell the songs to be put on compliation albums.

Why dont you see hardly any Beatles or Rolling Stones songs on compliations? Thats because the record companies dont need to sell the songs as they are making tons of money. Take a look at the two Best Of Beatles collections (not the No1 album).. Im talking about the Red and Blue albums. I have NEVER seen them selling for below £20. Why? Because they keep selling by the truck load.

The bottom line is that the vast majority of compliation albums out now may have the chart music, but they always end up looking as attractive like a smelly pile of spew.

Thank god for bands like U2, Travis, Coldplay, Turin Brakes, the Manics, Stereophonics, Feeder and the rest of the proper bands around here.

John Lennon would be turning in his grave if he heard Westlifes quote about having more number one singles than the Beatles.

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Old 15-11-2001, 13:12
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think people in this country are to obsessed with what's in the charts. Take Linkin Park and Limp Bizkit for example, although their singles don't sell as much - or chart as high as Dance, Westlife etc etc. The worldwide sales of bands like Limp Bizkit and Linkin Park are phenominal, Limp have sold around 12 million albums and Linkin Park have sould about 6 million albums to date. Now, no Ibiza dance act is going to get near sales like that EVER. Also, Westlife are hyped up to be bigger than they are, they've sold around 2 million albums. How on earth can they be as "big" as the Beatels who have sold over 100 million albums?!?!.

There is just way to much attention focused on the UK singles chart, whilst it looks like Westlife & co are having all the success - it's easy to be mistaken . Westlife will never reach worldwide sales above bands such Limp Bizkit, the reason being they're a second rate act, and the majority of people don't like them.

Having said all that, they are American acts such as N-Sync and Spear Britney that have very healthy album sales 10+ million. But remember that history shows the same old trend, these kind of acts don't last all that long, and their sales of back-catologues of albums do not compare to those of Nirvana , Beatles etc.

Ok, to sum up, rock music with guitars is by far and away the most popular music out there,it always have been; and always will be. Don't get caught up in the circus that is the UK singles chart.
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Old 18-11-2001, 00:10
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Originally posted by James2001
My sister bought 2 copies to make sure it got number 1.
Precisely the reason why the way the chart is compiled needs to be changed to some sort of two or four week average to even things out; if that was introduced then we would probably see songs climbing back up the chart again, as they should do, as opposed to nothing other than new entries and big fallers.

This may seem a bit drastic, but as the marketing of singles has changed irrevocably, so should the compiling of the chart; Billboard are going the right way by incorporating MP3 downloads into the final figures, I believe.

Also, for singles released on two different CDs, only the highest selling one should be counted, to stop chart hyping from people buying both formats; discounted first-week prices should be abolished; and the no-more-than-20-minutes-or-five-tracks rule should also be scrapped.

In an ideal world, the chart would be split into under and over-16s sales, but that's of course not possible.
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Old 18-11-2001, 01:50
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My sister bought 2 copies to make sure it got number 1.
IIRC (and I think I do) if you buy 1 copy or 1000 copies at the same time, it only counts as 1 sale, so you can tell your sister she wasted her money. (As if we didn't know that already! )
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Old 18-11-2001, 08:54
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She bought the 2nd copy 2 days after the first one though.
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Old 18-11-2001, 11:02
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Excuse me!!??

The person who started this thread mentioned how bad the charts are these days, and how bad music is.... Good point... but then he goes on to praise Cher, Uncle Kracker, Michael Jackson and Alicia Keys!

WTF!? Those artists come up with formulaic bland wallpaper 'music' fit only for cheesy commercial radio stations. Boring heard-it-all-before crapola that pleases the tone-deaf.

That's precisely the stuff killing the charts. Bland, boring, predictable, twee rubbish. A bit like the Stereophonics' current output.

All that sterile musak is just as bad as Westlife!

We should be churning out decent energetic hard-hitting music, not dull toss like Dido, Coldplay, Starsailor, etc.

Some of the best singles this year...

Party Hard by Andrew WK
Heavy Soul by Rhythm Masters
Where's Your Head At by Basement Jaxx
I'm So Crazy by Par-T-One

...all getting buried by the apallingly bland unit-shifters, and the laughable fad of UK Garage.
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Old 18-11-2001, 12:18
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Originally posted by Dark Legend


IIRC (and I think I do) if you buy 1 copy or 1000 copies at the same time, it only counts as 1 sale, so you can tell your sister she wasted her money. (As if we didn't know that already! )
But surely both copies have to go through the barcode reader, which derive the sales figures sent to the chart compilers.
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