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Michelle Gets 1st & Final Warning - Jason gets 142 Warnings
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Dykeolicous
09-07-2004
Originally Posted by without_reason:
“I have seen many "fights" and this was well at the tame and under control end of the spectrum. It may have been unconfortable viewing for some people and that is fine - you do of course have a choice over what you watch when its on TV.

By using the word fight in this context we begin to devalue it. Just in the way the word racism and homophobia and bullying are used in these forumns. We may well be witnessing mild forms of these things but just to pick an example at random - if we start describing as a fight what happened in the house. then what of fights where people are actually injured? or killed?

Genuine strong emotions do sometimes make for uncomforable viewing because we are so used to the hyper controlled and sanitised foder the television normally feeds us. This is a million miles away from the actuall reality of the situation.

Call it a fight if you wish but this is a little like me bumping my car against a post while parking and calling it a road accident.”

From dictionary.com:

fight
v. fought, (fôt) fight·ing, fights
v. intr.

1
a)To attempt to harm or gain power over an adversary by blows or with weapons.
b)Sports. To engage in boxing or wrestling.

2
To engage in a quarrel; argue: They are always fighting about money.

3
To strive vigorously and resolutely: fought against graft; fighting for her rights.

So to call it a fight is exactly what it was. Yes I had the choice not to view, & in many parts I did look away.

As for it being reality - as Ive already said it was a manufactured situation.

But as that night has been talked about enough, I think best to leave it at that. We clearly have different views on the matter. And its good to hear other opinions. But is side-tracking from the treatment of Michelle.
Histeria
09-07-2004
Originally Posted by IckleMissScotty:
“From dictionary.com:

fight

To engage in a quarrel; argue: They are always fighting about money.”

In American english, yes. Not in UK english (dictionary.com is a US site)
Dykeolicous
09-07-2004
Originally Posted by sugarbabe:
“I think Jason and Victor would have been sent packing by BB if Emma and Kitten hadn't been kicked out already.
After all it would not look very good with 4 housemates being given the boot.

Really cannot understand though why Michelle has been given her first and final warning.”


Its a good point that it would not of looked good so many ppl getting the boot. But still dont seem right Emma was the only one that did. But its done now.

I think the reason might of been the lack of entertainment yesterday following the silent protest. Just another act by the producers to keep the audience interested. The producers clearly just make up the rules as they go along now
Histeria
09-07-2004
Originally Posted by IckleMissScotty:
“The producers clearly just make up the rules as they go along now”

One of the main rules has always been "Big Brother reserves the right to change the rules at any point"

Quote:
“But still dont seem right Emma was the only one that did. But its done now.”

Endemol were concerned about saving their show with the least upheaval, not what was fair on the contestants, I'm afraid.
Dykeolicous
09-07-2004
Originally Posted by Histeria:
“In American english, yes. Not in UK english (dictionary.com is a US site)”


In the Concise Oxford English Dictionary it states :

a conflict or struggle; a vigourous effort in the face of difficulty.

So in English it is!!
Histeria
09-07-2004
Originally Posted by IckleMissScotty:
“In the Concise Oxford English Dictionary it states :

a conflict or struggle; a vigourous effort in the face of difficulty.

So in English it is!! ”

Whilst that could just be drawn to mean an argument, the context of that is more "fight to survice/fight for air", not to "have a fight".

But I supposed we should just learn to accept Americanization of the language, y'all
Dykeolicous
09-07-2004
Originally Posted by Histeria:
“One of the main rules has always been "Big Brother reserves the right to change the rules at any point"



Endemol were concerned about saving their show with the least upheaval, not what was fair on the contestants, I'm afraid.”

Im well aware of the rules - but I feel they are making a mockery of themselves by changing the rules for certain HMs. I can appreciate you dont agree.

And removing Emma to save the show - er I dont think so. I personally think it was favouritism. But again thats just my take on the events.
Dykeolicous
09-07-2004
Originally Posted by Histeria:
“Whilst that could just be drawn to mean an argument, the context of that is more "fight to survice/fight for air", not to "have a fight".

But I supposed we should just learn to accept Americanization of the language, y'all ”


Or you could just check your ENGLISH dictionary like I did. Not American!

Lets leave it that you dont think it was a fight - and I do. Its all good to discuss different points of view and theories on the house & the HMs - wouldnt you agree?

Mmm possibly not - lol
Histeria
09-07-2004
Originally Posted by IckleMissScotty:
“Lets leave it that you dont think it was a fight - and I do. Its all good to discuss different points of view and theories on the house & the HMs - wouldnt you agree? ”

It's what I'm here for. Best not fight about it.














Damn.




(I have an English degree, and am a spectacular pedant with these things - sorry )
Dykeolicous
09-07-2004
Originally Posted by Histeria:
“(I have an English degree, and am a spectacular pedant with these things - sorry )”



Your not the only one
Clublander
09-07-2004
double post
Clublander
09-07-2004
Originally Posted by Evelyn:
“Stuart has had lots of warnings for the most perfetic reasons which arent fair compared to the stuff Vic and Jason has done”

Good grammar. Well done :|
Eagle9a
09-07-2004
Originally Posted by IckleMissScotty:
“Your not the only one ”

or even "you are"
Histeria
09-07-2004
Originally Posted by IckleMissScotty:
“Your not the only one ”


Ummm... err... That was deliberate, yeah?
Dykeolicous
09-07-2004
Originally Posted by Clublander:
“Good grammar. Well done”


Ha Ha Ha

And I thought this was a BB forum, not an English lesson
Histeria
09-07-2004
Originally Posted by IckleMissScotty:
“ And I thought this was a BB forum, not an English lesson ”

Good point. I'd best check who started this by seeing who brought dictionary entries into it.

Oh.

Dykeolicous
09-07-2004
Originally Posted by Histeria:
“Good point. I'd best check who started this by seeing who brought dictionary entries into it.

Oh.

”


If you look a bit further back you will find the person defining what a fight was.

Anyway I'd prefer to talk about BB. So if you dont - maybe you should go elsewhere.
fingerbob69
09-07-2004
Originally Posted by IckleMissScotty:
“Ok a slight exaggeration but seems to be a bit of double standards here. And if the reason that Michelle got her first & final warning is because she did have a fight with Becki then its worse. Jason was majorly involved in the fighting on Fight Night & is unable to stop talking about nominations regardless of BB's warnings.

This show is becoming a farce!”


intresting use of the word... "becoming" !
Histeria
09-07-2004
Originally Posted by IckleMissScotty:
“Anyway I'd prefer to talk about BB. So if you dont - maybe you should go elsewhere.”

No need to get like that just because it drifted off topic.

Anyway, back to topic:

As I've said elsewhere, surely the principle of "Big Brother", be it Orwell's or Endemol's, is that it is arbitrary and unfair. The mission statement at the start of this season was of "evil" intent. An uneven hand on such things is great way to maintain that, and also to create dissent between contestants.

It should be noted that the contestants who have been "picked on" (Michelle, Stu) seem to be flourishing in the game, and in the public mind, so it's not as if it's harming them in the long run.
robbies_gal
09-07-2004
yes im annoyed about this too-michelle does one thing and gets a final warning

j and v discuss nominations were heavily involved in fight night yet they still havent had a final warning

favourtism bb?
Spiky1
09-07-2004
Originally Posted by IckleMissScotty:
“Well if it has nothing to do with the Becki incident then why was she the only person to get a first and final warning? She could of simply been given a warning like the others. Or they all should of been given the same. But the problem there is Stu already had one. And it would be very unpopular with the public to give them to Nadia, Dan & Shell.”

I think Michelle got such a severe warning because of the act of trying to set fire to the diary room camera which she took outside, put straw around the bottom of it, then got the matches out before BB called them all to the sofa.

BB have to show responsibility towards the public & Michelle's actions were potentionally dangerous.
Plato
09-07-2004
Originally Posted by Histeria:
“As I've said elsewhere, surely the principle of "Big Brother", be it Orwell's or Endemol's, is that it is arbitrary and unfair.”

Good point Histeria. In the "original" the hero broke the rules. The whole book is about breaking the rules. All the people who just accepted the status quo were ridiculed. For a while Winston Smith got away with it. He was the light of hope in the world.

There are a lot of drones on here calling for "rules" to be enforced. The Anti-sex Police of our time (or whatever they were called). The whole point of Big Brother surely is to set yourself apart from the rest for as long as you can. The heroes will always get caught. Drones will always win (Cameron, Lawlor etc.).

And (read Tickle's column to see how it has happened to him!) when our heroes reach Room 101 they will be ruthlessly rehabilitated.

They will love Big Brother! They will love Endemol!

They will conform in the end.
baileybots
09-07-2004
Originally Posted by tigercat2721:
“Theyve made an example of Michelle to counterbalance the favouritism shes been getting recently and theyre trying to correct it.”

what favoritisim???????
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