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Canon D-SLR advice for someone with 35mm kit.
Zaphodski
03-11-2010
I have an old (but good and working) 1000F with a Tamron 24-70 zoom and a Canon 75-300 USM zoom. Although with the arrival of my first digital (compact) camera in 2000 and decent (and convenient) cameras in mobile phones it has hardly been used for a decade. I've held onto it thinking one day I'll keep the lens's and just obtain a new DSLR body however with lens's no doubt improving too I'm no longer sure that this is a sensible route (compatibility problems too?) So do I try to flog all of my existing kit (including Jessops hot shoe flash, filters etc) and buy a brand new kit or just swap out the body? How much am I likely to get for my existing kit and what is the replacement set up likely to cost? I've seen this offer however I am suspicious as at £445 the two lens's equate to ~£150 compared to the stand alone body price for the 1000D ~£300. The stand alone costs for the lens's is well above £150

Any advice on the way forward would be greatly appreciated
Biffo the Bear
03-11-2010
I'd be a bit wary of that offer - the 18-55 isn't the IS version.

If I were in your shoes, then I'd flog everything bar your lenses (assuming that they're EF compatible), and just get a new body, like the 1000D or 550D. Try out your lenses for a while, and if you're happy with the results, then you're fine! If not, then you can start shopping around for new ones.

I've bought and sold loads of lenses over the past few years trying to find my 'ideal'. I've had three 'L' lenses, but none of them performed as well as my £50 1.8 50mm plastic lens, so, you know!

edit - best package prices are on here, generally:

http://www.camerapricebuster.co.uk/cat1.html

however, if you head over the talkphotography forums, then people are often selling top quality second-hand gear for a lot cheaper.
Zaphodski
03-11-2010
Originally Posted by Biffo the Bear:
“I'd be a bit wary of that offer - the 18-55 isn't the IS version.

If I were in your shoes, then I'd flog everything bar your lenses (assuming that they're EF compatible), and just get a new body, like the 1000D or 550D. Try out your lenses for a while, and if you're happy with the results, then you're fine! If not, then you can start shopping around for new ones.

I've bought and sold loads of lenses over the past few years trying to find my 'ideal'. I've had three 'L' lenses, but none of them performed as well as my £50 1.8 50mm plastic lens, so, you know!

edit - best package prices are on here, generally:

http://www.camerapricebuster.co.uk/cat1.html

however, if you head over the talkphotography forums, then people are often selling top quality second-hand gear for a lot cheaper.”

Thanks for your input. My lens are EF and I am more than happy to hang onto them if they will work fine with a new Canon DSLR body. However I read that if I used them with a 1000D body the lack of IS would lead to image problems? Any thoughts on that...?
Biffo the Bear
03-11-2010
Originally Posted by Zaphodski:
“Thanks for your input. My lens are EF and I am more than happy to hang onto them if they will work fine with a new Canon DSLR body. However I read that if I used them with a 1000D body the lack of IS would lead to image problems? Any thoughts on that...?”

Well no - IS is a luxury in my opinion. Between my two 'main' lenses, I prefer to use the one without IS.

However, with the 18-55 lens in that other package, it's not just the IS that makes a difference, but the lens construction - they did something to the IS version that just produces better pictures (regardless of whether the IS is on or not!).

My two favourite lenses are both non-IS, and I'm planning on selling the IS lens that I do have. Not because I don't like it or image quality issues, but because it only stops down to f4.0, and I prefer at least f2.8.
kyussmondo
04-11-2010
A good lens will last forever. Bodies get better. Invest more in good lens, more of the pro bodies will allow you to use older lens.
Zaphodski
04-11-2010
Originally Posted by kyussmondo:
“A good lens will last forever. Bodies get better. Invest more in good lens, more of the pro bodies will allow you to use older lens.”

My view entirely. However my only concern was compatibility and whether my old EF lens's would actually work with the 1000D body.
kyussmondo
05-11-2010
I wouldn't be able tot tell you as I shoot Nikon.
gemma-the-husky
05-11-2010
is it correct that the effective focal lebgth of lenses is different between film and digitals?

ie a 50mm SLR lens, wont function as a 50mm on a DSLR?
tellytart1
05-11-2010
Not strictly true - a 50mm SLR lens is still a 50mm lens when on a DSLR, but because the sensor area is smaller than a 35mm frame, there is a cropping effect, which means there is an apparent magnification going on.

This page explains it: http://www.luminous-landscape.com/tu...dslr-mag.shtml
gemma-the-husky
05-11-2010
Originally Posted by tellytart1:
“Not strictly true - a 50mm SLR lens is still a 50mm lens when on a DSLR, but because the sensor area is smaller than a 35mm frame, there is a cropping effect, which means there is an apparent magnification going on.

This page explains it: http://www.luminous-landscape.com/tu...dslr-mag.shtml”

Ok - so the depth of field and perspective effects are unchanged.
clonmult
05-11-2010
Originally Posted by tellytart1:
“Not strictly true - a 50mm SLR lens is still a 50mm lens when on a DSLR, but because the sensor area is smaller than a 35mm frame, there is a cropping effect, which means there is an apparent magnification going on.

This page explains it: http://www.luminous-landscape.com/tu...dslr-mag.shtml”

depends on the sensor - most of the higher end DSLRs are "full frame", so no crop - the majority tend to be APS-C sized, hence the crop.
mincepie
11-11-2010
Originally Posted by gemma-the-husky:
“is it correct that the effective focal lebgth of lenses is different between film and digitals?

ie a 50mm SLR lens, wont function as a 50mm on a DSLR?”

Yes - Times focal length by 1.6 on "consumer" cameras .... Your telephoto lens goes further.. But a traditional 28-70 type zoom is useless - no real wide angle at all -you need a 17-55 type range.
dodgygeeza
11-11-2010
Originally Posted by kyussmondo:
“A good lens will last forever. Bodies get better. Invest more in good lens”

Spot on, which is why I avoid the likes of Tamron and Sigma. They're a false economy compared to the camera manufacturer lenses, in my opinion.

Also, your 75-300mm USM should work on Canon's current bodies as far as I know but as others have said, you've got to apply the crop factor of 1.6x for Canon's APS-C sensors which means it's equivalent to 120-480mm on 35mm film / full-frame digital. Hand holdable with fast shutter at the shorter end but pretty tricky at the long end without IS. I've shot a Nikon 70-300mm VR lens on my camera with a 1.5x crop factor, which gave 450mm equivalent at the longest zoom and most of my shots had at least a small amount of shake with VR, the same as IS.
TheBigM
12-11-2010
Everyone's already said it but will summarise:

Digital SLR camera bodies can have different sizes of sensor such as: APS-H, APS-C, Full frame, Medium format, large format.

full frame = 35mm so the crop factor is 1.0x - i.e. same as 35mm film
APS-C is smaller than 35mm and crop factor is 1.6x so putting a 50mm on a camera with APS-C sized sensor is like putting an 80mm on a 35mm film camera.

Majority of "consumer" level SLRs use APS-C. As you get higher up the scale e.g. 1DS then you'll get into full frame territory.
Zaphodski
12-11-2010
Thanks for the input all, plenty to consider. I doubt my budget will allow me to afford Canon IS lens covering 24-300 so I'll just have to go for a body at the moment and see how I get on.
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